2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCorporate whore was used on this board for years until Hillary ran for president,
it's been used against Sara Palin, and Carly Fiorina.
No one complained, but if it's used against Hillary it's sexist? Oh please!
Corporate whore has been against male politicians too. It's no different than the term corporstist.
The faux outrage is used to try to stop ant criticism of the corrupted Madam Secretary Hillary Clinton.
How long before bought and paid for is considered sexist too?
I call bullshit on the fake assistance outrage.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Precisely because it's always wrong, and if you don't object it being directed at Sarah Palin, you can't object to it against Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And for the life of me, I'm now trying to figure out why in the fuck that thread was locked as disruptive meta. A post linking two articles about the use of sexist words was locked as disruptive meta. That's how fucked up this place is.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)has been used against both female and male politicians. K-Street is a lobbyists haven.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)this bullshit started years ago.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)or is that ok
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)just any woman in general. It's not a pick and choose thing.
But thanks for playing.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)It's just disgusting when Sanders has his people spew this hate.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Keep it up!
Sooner or later you'll have it.as the number one linkage for Google searches.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That would be a radical departure from the current reality
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I thought it was an amalgamator using a formula of key search words and linkages but if you've got other info on how it matches keywords I'm interested.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)than using the term, "corporate whore."
Just saying.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Fake-ass "my fee-fees haz a hurted" asshattery...to cover up the fact that it's a damned accurate descriptor in this case. Myu on;ly objection is that it might be considered (by those with little grasp of context_) as a slur against sex workers.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Definition of whore
1
: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2
: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3
: a venal or unscrupulous person
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore
I think we can all agree that: 1.) the term is not gender specific and 2.) definition 3: is the proper application of the word when referring to "corporate whores".
Well, we can all agree unless you are a Hillary supporter and choosing to "catapult the propaganda" of Brock and company.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)The term has such a distinctive and well known meaning and used so often it is definable and defensible. For those of you that rarely talk politics or are simply pretending to be too dumb to know the meaning of the word employed in political context, be assured it is very well known and defined especially by the politically literate.
One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word corporate; person who will sell their soul for $$.
My efforts are not driven by my passion for work, but by my own gluttony, my addition to money. I have become what I once despisedforsaken myself, I am a corporate whore.
Some of them are Republicans, some of them are Democrats, but few have so openly sacrificed their values at the corporate alter of greed. As Bill and Hilary Clinton (within our party at least)
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026991183#post8
where's the "drop mike" smiley?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when people do speak up and object every time, we get called SJWs and politically correct thought police by those such as yourself.
Last word is yours. try to make it worthwhile.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and it started very specifically at Dubya... at the time none objected to it, or to the term media whore (which MSNBC is a particular textbook example at the moment).
I will be brutal (and risk a hide) but some of the folks on this site who claim to do this for women's rights, really should stop policing language in a tendentious way. And yes, that is exactly what they are doing... language police, when convenient. These are the same people who cannot see the pretty open antisemitism on this site, including images that are both anti catholic and antisemitic. Those are fine and match community standards. They are the same exact folks who ignore stories of poverty, or labor, or civil rights, unless they can somehow twist it.
And many of us are sick and tired of that shit...
Speaking of labor... need to do an equipment check for the ever so popular morning run with the fight for 15 folks.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)hmm need to go find a lens hood... where did I place it? Nice sunny day
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Always fun running up and down with labor. This is the most significant movement since Cesar Chavez
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)In reality they're just as much of union busters as the GOP.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The confluence of forces are going to shock these people
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)It's just another thing you guys can use to hide posts. Politicians for the most part ARE political whores. Just get off your high horse already. We can use that word.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)think
(11,641 posts)And beyond offensive their actions cause actual damage to the American people. People's lives have been destroyed. People have suffered the loss of life, liberty, jobs, & homes due to these immoral acts.
Perhaps we'll discuss these underlying issues again someday.
Right now some people seem more content to feign outrage at political correctness rather than the issues that are really causing the problems....
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)...and stop using that word.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)against republicans.
You are just looking for any excuse and it's pathetic.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I have no idea why you are so invested in defending this shit, but you aren't going to be allowed to make up your own so-called facts.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)It bothered the fuck out of DU's feminists who get torn to shreds whenever they speak up against sexism. Not hard to believe that you missed what you weren't looking for.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Do you support everything put out on bumper stickers?
That's a pretty silly argument or excuse.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)and Hillary has sold us out.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Go ahead and use your nasty terms and words.
It says far more about you than the people you label.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You guys pushed it too far, way too far. Many of us are now in the no-longer-give-a-fuck camp.
longship
(40,416 posts)Yes, like corporate whore, it is a metaphor. But just look at her donor list and deny either characterization.
However, I agree that in context of Hillary being a woman, "corporate whore" becomes cringe-worthy.
So let's just say that she's sold her soul.
That works, and it isn't sexist.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)And you know it.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Clinton is not for me. If she releases her transcripts of speeches and stop blocking her campaign stops from being heard and after reading said transcripts I might consider her. Until that time she is just another candidate saying what needs to be said to get more power!
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Then: we used it regularly to describe someone who performed favors for corporations in exchange for money.
Now: people get paid to post outraged objections to it as part of their pre-approved talking points.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)The fact is Hillary has a lot of victims globally.
reddread
(6,896 posts)cut it out
vintx
(1,748 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)But many of us have been trying to push back against the acceptability of sexist / misogynist insults for years.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)You clearly have an agenda here.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)You didn't complain about the term corporate wore against Sara Palin.
Corporate whore aren't just females, plenty of men have called corporate whores.
Response to JRLeft (Reply #38)
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JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Skinner:
To be clear, as much as it pains me to say it, I don't think that specific post is by itself cause for banning. As you know there is a very long history (including here on DU) of people using the word "whore" to refer to public figures (both male and female) who are doing the bidding of powerful interests. People on this website routinely post about "corporate whores" or "media whores" and barely anyone thinks it is out-of-bounds.
But the fact that this was aimed specifically at a prominent Democrat who is also a woman does bother me very deeply. I am really disappointed that large numbers of DU members (including a majority of the jurors on that post) thought that that post was within bounds. And it wasn't a jury of "trolls" either -- the jurors who voted to leave the post were all long-term members with thousands upon thousands of posts and stars next to their usernames.
So I guess the takeaway here is that we need to decide what kind of community we want this to be. We have the power, though our posts and through our jury service, to set a higher standard. We just have to decide to use it.
And another thing: For people who are seeing this through the partisan lens of the Democratic presidential primary, it seems to me that that supporters of every Democratic presidential candidate have an interest in curbing this kind of language. Obviously Hillary Clinton supporters don't like seeing their favored candidate smeared in this way. But supporters of Bernie Sanders or other Democrats should not want to see this either, because it makes them (and by association, their candidate) look very bad.
merrily
(45,251 posts)for us peon females, not even for us Democratic peon females who post here and donate.
I know its his board and he can make whatever rules he wants, but I don't agree. And, if the rule is for one woman, it is NOT about sexism, but about protecting that woman.
Amazing you didn't see that in what you chose to post.
randr
(12,412 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)under certain circumstances.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)It was a statement against ALL of the politicians who are on the take from corporations.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Keep reaching.
procon
(15,805 posts)It's OK to make nasty misogynistic and sexist remarks because someone else did at some point in the past?
Look, derogatory and words based gender discrimination are just as bad as those that refer to other forms of inequity like Age, Disability, Ethnicity, Race, or Religion.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)i was kicked off the Hillary forum because I said she was the corporate candidate, they said it was sexist. . . so, it's already happened.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)exactly THAT, redirection and talking points aside, they are defending the candidates that sell themselves to corporations with this false campaign of fake anger orchestrated around the term that defines selling out to corporate money.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I am amused at all the folks who imply that actual literal whores are only women, therefore SEXISM! Why do so many people not know there are many many MALE prostitutes as well. I know or have known so many gay guys in the major cities who do it or have done to supplement their income! There are online sites they place ads for their services! this whores = women=sexism is BOGUS!
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... since it's so great.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Carte blanche to deliberately distort a man's context to turn a wide statement into a targeted offense on women.
Just... Just fuckin' bravo. Way to go. Amazing leap of mental gymnastics. Explain to me how this isn't mis-anyone-who-disagrees-with-you. Explain to me, how this isn't a play-anytime victim card?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)His poor syntax isn't my fault. If you speak three sentences about Hillary and then shift to calling someone a whore, without clearly introducing a new subject, grammar clearly says the term applies to the previous subject; ie, he called Hillary a corporate whore.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)There are two OPs right now in GD-P with over 15 examples of many male and female politicians being referred to as corporate whores, i.e. the context of they are selling themselves, their votes, their endorsements et cetera TO CORPORATIONS. If Boeing giving Clinton a donation and then receiving a contract isn't corporate whoredom, then what is? You are deliberately distorting the issue to whip up a froth of "oh poor Hillary" and you are JUST as transparent as a tumblr feminist doing it.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)I give you a logical argument, showing why syntax makes my claim accurate.
You respond by saying she's a whore.
How exactly do you think you just won this argument?
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)change your context? FURTHERMORE.
Where the fuck were you when Fiorina was lambasted for corporate whoredom?
Where the fuck were you when Obama, Mike Huckabee, Ben Stein, Michelle Bachman, et cetera et cetera were lambasted for corporate whoredom?
Where the fuck were you? Oh right, by dint of your avatar, you weren't there because it didn't suit your narrow ass needs.
Fall the fuck back with your transparent self.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)I hadn't felt any desire before this cycle to take part in online discussions in places like this.
If I knew this place was filled with people like you, I probably wouldn't have started.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)helping women. To the contrary, you are harming them.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:28 PM - Edit history (1)
And you seem oblivious to that.
If it is wrong to call a woman a whore, it's wrong to call a man a whore.
if it's okay to call a man a whore, it's okay to call a woman a whore.
Pick one and debate it. But you cannot have special rules for all women or for some women without hurting all women. I promise you that.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)Why are people ignoring male sex workers?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Your numbers with women can only sink further.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)I don't think it is. Others think it is.
Is it gendered? Is "nurse" gendered? If we're not supposed to say gendered, sexists things, should we keep talking about needing a "woman president"? Do we say "woman doctor" or "woman accountant"? Should first year college students be called "Freshmen"? It goes on and on into the postmodern navel-gazing subject of semiotics. You'll never get anywhere.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)I's not all that complicated.
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
bjo59
(1,166 posts)as all the other ridiculous instances of faux outrage talking points against Bernie Sanders. It's really bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. I'm still waiting for the posts supporting Hillary Clinton's positions and policies (that are never going to come).
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)And let's not forget the oft-quoted source, "Media Whores Online"
"media whores online" site:democraticunderground.com
975 results
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)geek showed me one to which she objected but she is absent in all other cases that I can find.
It was never a YUUUGE issue here before this week.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)"Corporate whore" is marginally offensive, and its usage would probably avoid a hide when aimed at CEOs or members of the GOP in Congress. But calling the front runner in the Democratic primaries (who just happens to be female) a Corporate Whore is offensive as hell.
If this is what you want to do ... damn.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Next question.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)What key words did you use to determine that??
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...keep up.
Here's some more for you. Please go and look for the outrage at these links:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511727002
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You've been busy.
polly7
(20,582 posts)If the term is used for males who accept corporate money and do their bidding, it's absolutely fine for females who do the same, regardless of which woman it is.
Man-splaining??
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so anything he says about these kinds of things is automatically discounted. And the image meets community standards apparently. Yup, not very well coded anti-Semitism (blood libel) is a-ok
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And when this is told to you and others, you cannot claim ignorance anymore
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I made it pretty clear to you that I don't give a damn.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And others on the site don't. But yes, Antisemitism is what it is
polly7
(20,582 posts)It's a sick, sad game.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... translates to equality.
You and I both know it's just a rationalization on your part, so I pointed it out with hyperbolic ridicule. You've got it coming.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I mean, you're serious about this relationship, right? You're not just a .....
polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... I feel used.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)See you later, Snuggles. Promise you won't kiss and tell?
polly7
(20,582 posts)Explain.
I don't get it.
Creepy!
mrdmk
(2,943 posts).
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)The point is to try to take some common vernacular usage and fit it into your campaign's narrative about how opposition to Hillary is due to sexism and misogyny.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)as you push yet another one of your artful smears.
It was not aimed at Clinton. It was aimed at congress. Reading comprehension is your friend. Try it sometime.
But obviously it hits a little close to home so y'all are in full blown poutrage while still ignoring the actual speech which was about the abysmal state of health care in the US.
Oh, and when are you going to denounce Bill and Hillary's racist remarks?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)depending on the mood of the hc campaign, they could take offense at puppet too
like....are you implying woman can not think for themselves, that they need some man pulling the strings?
it is all silly season...distraction
hc just happens to own the media so basically she can send out any talking point she wants and they will spread it
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The Clinton Campaign has no substance, so they manufacture outrage.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)it's sexism.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)point. This is typical muddying of the waters. We all know this to be true. Instead of dealing with the facts.. Obfuscate ! I assume all that do this are in favor of Citizen's United and are NOT Progressive by any stretch of the imagination.
The establishment will do anything and everything to hold on to power.. stay focused Revolutionaries
Feeling the Bern in Portland Oregon
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)become "corporate whores"
from the minute a rep gets to the house they need to spend about 70% of their time fund raising for the next election,in two years
hard to imagine how anyone stays clean with a system like that
people know this and that is why bernie's campaign finance reform message has taken off
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I have been saying for years that you don't catch flies with honey, and that using insults and inflammatory language about others simply leads to bias and anger issues. I don't even care for terms like 'rethuglicans' - that sort of thing seems witty and clever when you're in middle school, but it's no way to go through life as an adult. We should aspire to something better than simply being a left-wing mirror of the hateful rhetoric that prevails at sites like FreeRepublic. I have only contempt for people who equate hateful rhetoric with objective truth. It's symptomatic of tribal aggression, which lies at the root of many of our social problems.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)There's a name for people who take money to perform specific acts and it's not good Samaritan. The sorry part is that it applies to a very large chunk of our elected representatives from both parties.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)K& a big R.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)ie it's hard for me to say NWA as those letters stand but if your black thats easy.. didn't used to be that way. I used to just come and say its ***** With Attitude. but now understanding they want to totally delete the word and using the actual letter is just as bad as saying it ie ****** also known as the * Word which for point I won't do it. Just a Racial Epitaph. However having said this Some love being called a Clothes Whore, Shoes Whore etc. And they themselves say it. I don't exactly tie that word in context to a gender. Simply because all BS words are gender slanted. Think the Suicide Girls photographer came up with the best one that wasn't female specific. Brotherfucker. But this PC Zero Tolerance crowd. Really needs to stop. I can never tolerate the Zero Tolerance crap from either the left or right. Because usually the wrong people get hurt. Naturally someone has a tit for tat argument on this thread and one of that tats gets reported. oh of course this phrase is messed up in the PC crowd already because I can only say Tat . Which is where George Carlin would say all about the double meaning words. You can Prick your finger but don't finger your *****
Tater T*ts? no? Think we all need to deflate find a punching bag that well actually breaks when you hit it. or help tear down a house etc and get rid of our anger. It's not helpful. Wish us luck
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)while the world burns, priorities.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The sexist connotations can't be wished away.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)against conservative Corporate Democrats, like Diane Feinstein.
This was posted in the early 2000s without complaints or problems:
Who is the Conservative Corporate Whore?
.
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.
.
.
Ha,ha.
Trick Question.
They BOTH are.
For those needing an ID, the woman on the left is former Texas Republican Senator, Kay Bailey Hutchison who never met a WAR she didn't like.
The woman on the right is Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein, who also never met a WAR she didn't like. Her husband makes MILLIONS from sweetheart government deals, especially WAR.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Her supporters just assumed it was because the shoe fits so well.
polichick
(37,152 posts)and these con men and women who sell our country out from under us deserve the description.