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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:53 AM Apr 2016

Corporate whore was used on this board for years until Hillary ran for president,

it's been used against Sara Palin, and Carly Fiorina.

No one complained, but if it's used against Hillary it's sexist? Oh please!

Corporate whore has been against male politicians too. It's no different than the term corporstist.

The faux outrage is used to try to stop ant criticism of the corrupted Madam Secretary Hillary Clinton.

How long before bought and paid for is considered sexist too?

I call bullshit on the fake assistance outrage.

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Corporate whore was used on this board for years until Hillary ran for president, (Original Post) JRLeft Apr 2016 OP
1) it is sexist 2) we aren't running for President. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
No it's not, I'm sure you were complaining when it was used against republican women, right? JRLeft Apr 2016 #6
yes I did actually, when Alan Grayson did it. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #10
Prove it. JRLeft Apr 2016 #11
Here you go. JTFrog Apr 2016 #16
Corporate whore JRLeft Apr 2016 #25
You asked for proof. There is it. Don't go moving those goalposts again. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #27
You didn't provide proof as far as I'm concerned. JRLeft Apr 2016 #52
the hosts would argue against feminist issues because "identity politics" were a distraction..... bettyellen Apr 2016 #152
Is it wrong to call a man a corporate whore? gabeana Apr 2016 #44
Yes, we have. Many of us here speak up when sexist shit is aimed at Republican women or JTFrog Apr 2016 #12
If the accusation is correct, then what is the problem? scscholar Apr 2016 #130
Your faux outrage is ensuring "corporate whore" = Hillary even more firmly. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #13
Oh no, dudebros on the Internet might insult her using misogyny. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #14
Google searches are misogynistic? Do tell... riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #22
BTW, calling women who support Bernie, "bros" is far more sexist Fawke Em Apr 2016 #136
It's not sexist in that context, and the poutrage is utter bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #17
Definition of whore... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #37
Definition of Corporate whore... Dragonfli Apr 2016 #45
Thank you, Eric Cantor was a big time corporate whore. JRLeft Apr 2016 #61
Why have you NEVER complained before about the use of the phrase in your ENTIRE history at DU? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #73
why are you UNABLE to use the search function? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #75
So, one instance in 2015. What about all the other times it was used and you said nothing? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #78
your sea lioning bores me. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #79
Again, why did you not say anything all the other times it was used on DU? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #80
It has been used though the history of the site nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #91
And she refuse to answer my question. Probably put me on ignore, which is fine with me. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #94
She puts none on ignore, she is just good at ignoring your question nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #96
Keep up the good work, my friend! nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #97
Thanks I should go, taking the trolley I think nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #98
I wish I could recommend your post. JRLeft Apr 2016 #155
Thanks. Going home after the workout nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #157
Agreed, as we know corporate democrats pay lip service to unions. JRLeft Apr 2016 #160
Correct. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #161
thank you passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #168
You're welcome, we need facts not bullshit the Third Way sells bullshit. JRLeft Apr 2016 #169
Ignoring me, I see. Turnabout is... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #142
. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #144
It's NOT sexist Politicalboi Apr 2016 #81
Yep. And if you called people out for it you were told, "That's how they act." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #2
Corrupt politicians who sell their vote for corporate cash are offensive. think Apr 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #4
Pretty much nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #92
You guys can't let it go. Bernie's campaign used it, he apologized. Move on... onehandle Apr 2016 #5
No, because I'm tired of the fake outrage. No one complains about certain terms when it's used JRLeft Apr 2016 #8
Bullshit. JTFrog Apr 2016 #19
Wrong it's been used forever until Hillary ran. JRLeft Apr 2016 #28
And it was objected to. Again and again by people who find sexist crap unexcusable. JTFrog Apr 2016 #31
Prior Hillary running for president it was not deemed sexist. JRLeft Apr 2016 #35
Yes it was. You just weren't paying attention. Obviously it doesn't bother you. JTFrog Apr 2016 #36
Bush corporate wore bumper stickers and shirts. JRLeft Apr 2016 #51
So someone made a bumper sticker? JTFrog Apr 2016 #55
It proves my point that the term is used for both men and women who sellout to corporations JRLeft Apr 2016 #58
Of for fuck's sake. JTFrog Apr 2016 #59
See my post #40 as well as my post #45 which defines the term clearly despite the false ourage. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #49
Does it bother you that no one intends to apologize for jack shit? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #20
I prefer: "Hillary Clinton has sold her soul to the devil" longship Apr 2016 #7
Only because she has a D next to her name. JRLeft Apr 2016 #9
Bullshit. JTFrog Apr 2016 #21
It's true. JRLeft Apr 2016 #67
It is super simple Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #15
There's a big difference between then and now. noamnety Apr 2016 #18
Why do you not think "whore" is a slur against women? Any woman. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #23
Whore by itself is. Corporate whore has been used against both genders. JRLeft Apr 2016 #29
But it's fine against men right? Kentonio Apr 2016 #42
Of course it is. It's the Hillary is tough but always the victim card. JRLeft Apr 2016 #66
criticism is sexist reddread Apr 2016 #24
IMO it's a problematic term and it needs to go. nt vintx Apr 2016 #26
Only because it was used against Hillary, Dubya was called a corporate whore regularly. JRLeft Apr 2016 #32
Yeah I'm sure there are many who only evolved on this issue because of Hillary vintx Apr 2016 #33
You keep saying that even though you've been proven wrong. JTFrog Apr 2016 #34
You complained when it was used against Dubya. JRLeft Apr 2016 #38
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #41
I'm being factual. JRLeft Apr 2016 #54
No. You are trolling. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #57
Whatever Eric Cantor, Harold Ford Jr are big time corporate whore and have been called such. JRLeft Apr 2016 #64
Here's a little tidbit for you: JTFrog Apr 2016 #85
Sorry, but that practically says it's a special rule for for a prominent female Democrat and not merrily Apr 2016 #151
Hillary is just dancin with one who brung her randr Apr 2016 #30
I would call it "very selective" outrage that is only triggered guillaumeb Apr 2016 #39
There ARMY has been assembled and are doing as they are told. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #40
It wasn't even used "against" Hillary. basselope Apr 2016 #43
You might want to go get a better grip on the context. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #46
LOL. basselope Apr 2016 #76
That's your defense? procon Apr 2016 #47
How long before bought and paid for is considered sexist too? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #48
It is now considered officially so as of the time of the fake outrage threads, they are defending Dragonfli Apr 2016 #60
You are correct! and on a side note.. m-lekktor Apr 2016 #50
I guess it "evolved"... ibegurpard Apr 2016 #53
Bernie should use the term over and over in the debate ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #56
Fact: Language can have a different meaning when talking about a woman. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #62
So this is what third wave feminism has come to. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #88
Easy: Sanders supporters don't use sexist language, no one complains. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #89
You haven't explained your right to distort other people's words to fit a victim narrative. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #90
I didn't distort anything CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #95
Horseshit. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #99
Uh huh CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #106
I'm telling you to explain your victim card here. How does the target being Hillary allow you to VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #111
Honestly, CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #121
Educate yourself. And then? Get the actual fuck lost. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #127
Another post of supreme intellect. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #135
Fact. Equality means equality, not special treatment. You are not merrily Apr 2016 #108
No, normalizing slurs like 'whore' harms women, men, and basic decency. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #117
Again, you are hurting women, women who actually need to be hired. merrily Apr 2016 #124
I'm outraged at the sexist outrage. CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #63
Governor Scott Walker is the very definition of a corporate whore. JRLeft Apr 2016 #69
Bernie didn't say it. The end. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #65
Please, say it and repeat as often as you like. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #68
People are just not going to agree on whether the word "whore" is sexist or not. My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #70
The Clinton supporters are playing he gender card. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #71
Agree. The "Democratic corporate whore" faux outrage is the same bjo59 Apr 2016 #72
"corporate whore" site:democraticunderground.com lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #74
Kick... KansDem Apr 2016 #82
I know. I did the same thing and I am STILL LOOKING for objections to it before this week. ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #84
A lot of you are really missing the point. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #77
Then why has it's use always been accepted here on DU? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #83
It has not. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #104
Yes it has, 7200 times according to a Google search. Next? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #110
Accepted? Google told you 7200 times that calling someone a whore at DU is acceptable? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #112
No, 7200 times the term was used without any outrage following its use. Try to... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #114
Oh. So you opened 7200 threads to check the reaction to the word. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #116
Nah .................. full equality is what most women want and expect. polly7 Apr 2016 #86
Also the image that poster is using is pretty much antisemitic and anticatholic nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #93
Back with that again? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #103
It is what it is nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #105
I claimed ignorance? I recognize that you've decided to be offended by my sig line. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #109
I know you don't nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #119
No, it's not ok. He just slips up and shows his ass once in a while. polly7 Apr 2016 #125
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #129
Oh. I see. So we'll have racial equality when it's okay to call everyone n*gger, particularly blacks Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #102
I've never said that word in my life. Why do you? nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #113
I'm just trying to understand how plying an misogynist word to both men and women... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #115
Oh, it's ok. I know your game. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #120
As I know yours. Shall we pick out some curtains and shop for furniture? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #122
A .............. what? Spit it out. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #123
We're done here. I will tell you, though... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #128
Do you?? That's terrible ...... maybe stop with the ugly games and you'll feel better. polly7 Apr 2016 #132
I called you a name? When? What name? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #134
LOL. You try sooooooooo hard. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #138
Yeah. You've got nothing. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #139
Ew. Where'tf did that come from? polly7 Apr 2016 #140
Thank you for that display, off to igorne with you mrdmk Apr 2016 #158
Uh... who are you? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #164
No we're not ibegurpard Apr 2016 #100
Nice try. Totally wrong. F for your effort. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #101
And you missed the point as usual TM99 Apr 2016 #154
Meh. "Corporate Puppet" works just as well, and it describes her to a 'T'. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #87
he was describing congress people...hc is not in congress questionseverything Apr 2016 #118
Agreed. Maedhros Apr 2016 #133
That will considered sexist too. Unless you send her platitudes JRLeft Apr 2016 #163
With Citizen's United in place the phrase Corporate Whores when referring to Congress is exactly on berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #107
the sad part is, we should be looking at the system that sets up our elected representatives to questionseverything Apr 2016 #131
^This JRLeft Apr 2016 #156
Yeah, and that's not something to be proud of anigbrowl Apr 2016 #126
YEP! snagglepuss Apr 2016 #137
So? The N word was used for decades. Doesn't make it right. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #141
How about not using the word "whore" in any context when referring to women? Beacool Apr 2016 #143
You're exactly right. I bet the people here who haven't said it can be counted on one hand. Vinca Apr 2016 #145
Amem! Duppers Apr 2016 #146
How about "Oligarchic Metaphorical Sex Workers?" n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #147
Still remember "Media Whores Online" - that was a great website. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #148
probably can use it ONLY if your female PatrynXX Apr 2016 #149
Parsing words felix_numinous Apr 2016 #150
Contexts vary. Orsino Apr 2016 #153
Derp. HuckleB Apr 2016 #159
In the early days, when DU was a Liberal Board, it was also used bvar22 Apr 2016 #162
It wasn't even used in reference to Hillary Clinton. mhatrw Apr 2016 #165
True - I've used it for a decade for male and female corporate whores... polichick Apr 2016 #166
Me thinks they protest too much! Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #167
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. yes I did actually, when Alan Grayson did it.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

Precisely because it's always wrong, and if you don't object it being directed at Sarah Palin, you can't object to it against Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
16. Here you go.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026989341

And for the life of me, I'm now trying to figure out why in the fuck that thread was locked as disruptive meta. A post linking two articles about the use of sexist words was locked as disruptive meta. That's how fucked up this place is.
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
25. Corporate whore
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

has been used against both female and male politicians. K-Street is a lobbyists haven.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
152. the hosts would argue against feminist issues because "identity politics" were a distraction.....
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

this bullshit started years ago.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
12. Yes, we have. Many of us here speak up when sexist shit is aimed at Republican women or
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

just any woman in general. It's not a pick and choose thing.

But thanks for playing.



 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
130. If the accusation is correct, then what is the problem?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

It's just disgusting when Sanders has his people spew this hate.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
13. Your faux outrage is ensuring "corporate whore" = Hillary even more firmly.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

Keep it up!

Sooner or later you'll have it.as the number one linkage for Google searches.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Oh no, dudebros on the Internet might insult her using misogyny.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

That would be a radical departure from the current reality

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
22. Google searches are misogynistic? Do tell...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

I thought it was an amalgamator using a formula of key search words and linkages but if you've got other info on how it matches keywords I'm interested.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
136. BTW, calling women who support Bernie, "bros" is far more sexist
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:03 PM
Apr 2016

than using the term, "corporate whore."

Just saying.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
17. It's not sexist in that context, and the poutrage is utter bullshit.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016

Fake-ass "my fee-fees haz a hurted" asshattery...to cover up the fact that it's a damned accurate descriptor in this case. Myu on;ly objection is that it might be considered (by those with little grasp of context_) as a slur against sex workers.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
37. Definition of whore...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

Definition of whore
1
: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2
: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3
: a venal or unscrupulous person

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore

I think we can all agree that: 1.) the term is not gender specific and 2.) definition 3: is the proper application of the word when referring to "corporate whores".

Well, we can all agree unless you are a Hillary supporter and choosing to "catapult the propaganda" of Brock and company.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
45. Definition of Corporate whore...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

The term has such a distinctive and well known meaning and used so often it is definable and defensible. For those of you that rarely talk politics or are simply pretending to be too dumb to know the meaning of the word employed in political context, be assured it is very well known and defined especially by the politically literate.

[font size="5" color="blue"][center]corporate whore[/center][/font]


One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.
My efforts are not driven by my passion for work, but by my own gluttony, my addition to money. I have become what I once despised—forsaken myself, I am a corporate whore.


Some of them are Republicans, some of them are Democrats, but few have so openly sacrificed their values at the corporate alter of greed. As Bill and Hilary Clinton (within our party at least)
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
79. your sea lioning bores me.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:16 PM
Apr 2016

when people do speak up and object every time, we get called SJWs and politically correct thought police by those such as yourself.

Last word is yours. try to make it worthwhile.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
91. It has been used though the history of the site
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:14 PM
Apr 2016

and it started very specifically at Dubya... at the time none objected to it, or to the term media whore (which MSNBC is a particular textbook example at the moment).

I will be brutal (and risk a hide) but some of the folks on this site who claim to do this for women's rights, really should stop policing language in a tendentious way. And yes, that is exactly what they are doing... language police, when convenient. These are the same people who cannot see the pretty open antisemitism on this site, including images that are both anti catholic and antisemitic. Those are fine and match community standards. They are the same exact folks who ignore stories of poverty, or labor, or civil rights, unless they can somehow twist it.

And many of us are sick and tired of that shit...

Speaking of labor... need to do an equipment check for the ever so popular morning run with the fight for 15 folks.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
96. She puts none on ignore, she is just good at ignoring your question
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

hmm need to go find a lens hood... where did I place it? Nice sunny day

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
157. Thanks. Going home after the workout
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

Always fun running up and down with labor. This is the most significant movement since Cesar Chavez

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
160. Agreed, as we know corporate democrats pay lip service to unions.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:36 PM
Apr 2016

In reality they're just as much of union busters as the GOP.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
81. It's NOT sexist
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

It's just another thing you guys can use to hide posts. Politicians for the most part ARE political whores. Just get off your high horse already. We can use that word.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
3. Corrupt politicians who sell their vote for corporate cash are offensive.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

And beyond offensive their actions cause actual damage to the American people. People's lives have been destroyed. People have suffered the loss of life, liberty, jobs, & homes due to these immoral acts.

Perhaps we'll discuss these underlying issues again someday.

Right now some people seem more content to feign outrage at political correctness rather than the issues that are really causing the problems....

Response to JRLeft (Original post)

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
5. You guys can't let it go. Bernie's campaign used it, he apologized. Move on...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

...and stop using that word.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
8. No, because I'm tired of the fake outrage. No one complains about certain terms when it's used
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

against republicans.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
31. And it was objected to. Again and again by people who find sexist crap unexcusable.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apr 2016

I have no idea why you are so invested in defending this shit, but you aren't going to be allowed to make up your own so-called facts.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
36. Yes it was. You just weren't paying attention. Obviously it doesn't bother you.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

It bothered the fuck out of DU's feminists who get torn to shreds whenever they speak up against sexism. Not hard to believe that you missed what you weren't looking for.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
55. So someone made a bumper sticker?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

Do you support everything put out on bumper stickers?

That's a pretty silly argument or excuse.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
58. It proves my point that the term is used for both men and women who sellout to corporations
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

and Hillary has sold us out.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
59. Of for fuck's sake.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

Go ahead and use your nasty terms and words.

It says far more about you than the people you label.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
20. Does it bother you that no one intends to apologize for jack shit?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

You guys pushed it too far, way too far. Many of us are now in the no-longer-give-a-fuck camp.

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. I prefer: "Hillary Clinton has sold her soul to the devil"
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

Yes, like corporate whore, it is a metaphor. But just look at her donor list and deny either characterization.

However, I agree that in context of Hillary being a woman, "corporate whore" becomes cringe-worthy.

So let's just say that she's sold her soul.

That works, and it isn't sexist.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
15. It is super simple
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton is not for me. If she releases her transcripts of speeches and stop blocking her campaign stops from being heard and after reading said transcripts I might consider her. Until that time she is just another candidate saying what needs to be said to get more power!

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
18. There's a big difference between then and now.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

Then: we used it regularly to describe someone who performed favors for corporations in exchange for money.

Now: people get paid to post outraged objections to it as part of their pre-approved talking points.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
66. Of course it is. It's the Hillary is tough but always the victim card.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

The fact is Hillary has a lot of victims globally.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
33. Yeah I'm sure there are many who only evolved on this issue because of Hillary
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

But many of us have been trying to push back against the acceptability of sexist / misogynist insults for years.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
38. You complained when it was used against Dubya.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

You didn't complain about the term corporate wore against Sara Palin.

Corporate whore aren't just females, plenty of men have called corporate whores.

Response to JRLeft (Reply #38)

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
85. Here's a little tidbit for you:
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:57 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598326#post4

Skinner:

To be clear, as much as it pains me to say it, I don't think that specific post is by itself cause for banning. As you know there is a very long history (including here on DU) of people using the word "whore" to refer to public figures (both male and female) who are doing the bidding of powerful interests. People on this website routinely post about "corporate whores" or "media whores" and barely anyone thinks it is out-of-bounds.

But the fact that this was aimed specifically at a prominent Democrat who is also a woman does bother me very deeply. I am really disappointed that large numbers of DU members (including a majority of the jurors on that post) thought that that post was within bounds. And it wasn't a jury of "trolls" either -- the jurors who voted to leave the post were all long-term members with thousands upon thousands of posts and stars next to their usernames.

So I guess the takeaway here is that we need to decide what kind of community we want this to be. We have the power, though our posts and through our jury service, to set a higher standard. We just have to decide to use it.

And another thing: For people who are seeing this through the partisan lens of the Democratic presidential primary, it seems to me that that supporters of every Democratic presidential candidate have an interest in curbing this kind of language. Obviously Hillary Clinton supporters don't like seeing their favored candidate smeared in this way. But supporters of Bernie Sanders or other Democrats should not want to see this either, because it makes them (and by association, their candidate) look very bad.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
151. Sorry, but that practically says it's a special rule for for a prominent female Democrat and not
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

for us peon females, not even for us Democratic peon females who post here and donate.

I know its his board and he can make whatever rules he wants, but I don't agree. And, if the rule is for one woman, it is NOT about sexism, but about protecting that woman.

Amazing you didn't see that in what you chose to post.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
40. There ARMY has been assembled and are doing as they are told.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016
they released the Kraken! (er... emailed the talking points to the “digital media specialists”)

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
43. It wasn't even used "against" Hillary.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

It was a statement against ALL of the politicians who are on the take from corporations.

procon

(15,805 posts)
47. That's your defense?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

It's OK to make nasty misogynistic and sexist remarks because someone else did at some point in the past?

Look, derogatory and words based gender discrimination are just as bad as those that refer to other forms of inequity like Age, Disability, Ethnicity, Race, or Religion.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
48. How long before bought and paid for is considered sexist too?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

i was kicked off the Hillary forum because I said she was the corporate candidate, they said it was sexist. . . so, it's already happened.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
60. It is now considered officially so as of the time of the fake outrage threads, they are defending
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

exactly THAT, redirection and talking points aside, they are defending the candidates that sell themselves to corporations with this false campaign of fake anger orchestrated around the term that defines selling out to corporate money.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
50. You are correct! and on a side note..
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

I am amused at all the folks who imply that actual literal whores are only women, therefore SEXISM! Why do so many people not know there are many many MALE prostitutes as well. I know or have known so many gay guys in the major cities who do it or have done to supplement their income! There are online sites they place ads for their services! this whores = women=sexism is BOGUS!

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
88. So this is what third wave feminism has come to.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

Carte blanche to deliberately distort a man's context to turn a wide statement into a targeted offense on women.

Just... Just fuckin' bravo. Way to go. Amazing leap of mental gymnastics. Explain to me how this isn't mis-anyone-who-disagrees-with-you. Explain to me, how this isn't a play-anytime victim card?

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
95. I didn't distort anything
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

His poor syntax isn't my fault. If you speak three sentences about Hillary and then shift to calling someone a whore, without clearly introducing a new subject, grammar clearly says the term applies to the previous subject; ie, he called Hillary a corporate whore.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
99. Horseshit.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:36 PM
Apr 2016

There are two OPs right now in GD-P with over 15 examples of many male and female politicians being referred to as corporate whores, i.e. the context of they are selling themselves, their votes, their endorsements et cetera TO CORPORATIONS. If Boeing giving Clinton a donation and then receiving a contract isn't corporate whoredom, then what is? You are deliberately distorting the issue to whip up a froth of "oh poor Hillary" and you are JUST as transparent as a tumblr feminist doing it.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
106. Uh huh
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

I give you a logical argument, showing why syntax makes my claim accurate.

You respond by saying she's a whore.

How exactly do you think you just won this argument?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
111. I'm telling you to explain your victim card here. How does the target being Hillary allow you to
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

change your context? FURTHERMORE.

Where the fuck were you when Fiorina was lambasted for corporate whoredom?

Where the fuck were you when Obama, Mike Huckabee, Ben Stein, Michelle Bachman, et cetera et cetera were lambasted for corporate whoredom?

Where the fuck were you? Oh right, by dint of your avatar, you weren't there because it didn't suit your narrow ass needs.

Fall the fuck back with your transparent self.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
121. Honestly,
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

I hadn't felt any desire before this cycle to take part in online discussions in places like this.

If I knew this place was filled with people like you, I probably wouldn't have started.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
108. Fact. Equality means equality, not special treatment. You are not
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

helping women. To the contrary, you are harming them.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
124. Again, you are hurting women, women who actually need to be hired.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:28 PM - Edit history (1)

And you seem oblivious to that.

If it is wrong to call a woman a whore, it's wrong to call a man a whore.

if it's okay to call a man a whore, it's okay to call a woman a whore.

Pick one and debate it. But you cannot have special rules for all women or for some women without hurting all women. I promise you that.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
70. People are just not going to agree on whether the word "whore" is sexist or not.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

I don't think it is. Others think it is.
Is it gendered? Is "nurse" gendered? If we're not supposed to say gendered, sexists things, should we keep talking about needing a "woman president"? Do we say "woman doctor" or "woman accountant"? Should first year college students be called "Freshmen"? It goes on and on into the postmodern navel-gazing subject of semiotics. You'll never get anywhere.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
72. Agree. The "Democratic corporate whore" faux outrage is the same
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

as all the other ridiculous instances of faux outrage talking points against Bernie Sanders. It's really bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. I'm still waiting for the posts supporting Hillary Clinton's positions and policies (that are never going to come).

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
82. Kick...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

And let's not forget the oft-quoted source, "Media Whores Online"

"media whores online" site:democraticunderground.com

975 results

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
84. I know. I did the same thing and I am STILL LOOKING for objections to it before this week.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:35 PM
Apr 2016

geek showed me one to which she objected but she is absent in all other cases that I can find.

It was never a YUUUGE issue here before this week.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
77. A lot of you are really missing the point.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

"Corporate whore" is marginally offensive, and its usage would probably avoid a hide when aimed at CEOs or members of the GOP in Congress. But calling the front runner in the Democratic primaries (who just happens to be female) a Corporate Whore is offensive as hell.

If this is what you want to do ... damn.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
112. Accepted? Google told you 7200 times that calling someone a whore at DU is acceptable?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

What key words did you use to determine that??

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
114. No, 7200 times the term was used without any outrage following its use. Try to...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

...keep up.

Here's some more for you. Please go and look for the outrage at these links:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511727002

polly7

(20,582 posts)
86. Nah .................. full equality is what most women want and expect.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

If the term is used for males who accept corporate money and do their bidding, it's absolutely fine for females who do the same, regardless of which woman it is.

Man-splaining??

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
93. Also the image that poster is using is pretty much antisemitic and anticatholic
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:19 PM
Apr 2016

so anything he says about these kinds of things is automatically discounted. And the image meets community standards apparently. Yup, not very well coded anti-Semitism (blood libel) is a-ok

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
109. I claimed ignorance? I recognize that you've decided to be offended by my sig line.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

I made it pretty clear to you that I don't give a damn.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
102. Oh. I see. So we'll have racial equality when it's okay to call everyone n*gger, particularly blacks
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
115. I'm just trying to understand how plying an misogynist word to both men and women...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

... translates to equality.

You and I both know it's just a rationalization on your part, so I pointed it out with hyperbolic ridicule. You've got it coming.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
122. As I know yours. Shall we pick out some curtains and shop for furniture?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

I mean, you're serious about this relationship, right? You're not just a .....

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
100. No we're not
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

The point is to try to take some common vernacular usage and fit it into your campaign's narrative about how opposition to Hillary is due to sexism and misogyny.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
154. And you missed the point as usual
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

as you push yet another one of your artful smears.

It was not aimed at Clinton. It was aimed at congress. Reading comprehension is your friend. Try it sometime.

But obviously it hits a little close to home so y'all are in full blown poutrage while still ignoring the actual speech which was about the abysmal state of health care in the US.

Oh, and when are you going to denounce Bill and Hillary's racist remarks?

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
118. he was describing congress people...hc is not in congress
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

depending on the mood of the hc campaign, they could take offense at puppet too

like....are you implying woman can not think for themselves, that they need some man pulling the strings?

it is all silly season...distraction

hc just happens to own the media so basically she can send out any talking point she wants and they will spread it

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
107. With Citizen's United in place the phrase Corporate Whores when referring to Congress is exactly on
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

point. This is typical muddying of the waters. We all know this to be true. Instead of dealing with the facts.. Obfuscate ! I assume all that do this are in favor of Citizen's United and are NOT Progressive by any stretch of the imagination.

The establishment will do anything and everything to hold on to power.. stay focused Revolutionaries

Feeling the Bern in Portland Oregon

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
131. the sad part is, we should be looking at the system that sets up our elected representatives to
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

become "corporate whores"

from the minute a rep gets to the house they need to spend about 70% of their time fund raising for the next election,in two years

hard to imagine how anyone stays clean with a system like that

people know this and that is why bernie's campaign finance reform message has taken off

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
126. Yeah, and that's not something to be proud of
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

I have been saying for years that you don't catch flies with honey, and that using insults and inflammatory language about others simply leads to bias and anger issues. I don't even care for terms like 'rethuglicans' - that sort of thing seems witty and clever when you're in middle school, but it's no way to go through life as an adult. We should aspire to something better than simply being a left-wing mirror of the hateful rhetoric that prevails at sites like FreeRepublic. I have only contempt for people who equate hateful rhetoric with objective truth. It's symptomatic of tribal aggression, which lies at the root of many of our social problems.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
145. You're exactly right. I bet the people here who haven't said it can be counted on one hand.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

There's a name for people who take money to perform specific acts and it's not good Samaritan. The sorry part is that it applies to a very large chunk of our elected representatives from both parties.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
149. probably can use it ONLY if your female
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

ie it's hard for me to say NWA as those letters stand but if your black thats easy.. didn't used to be that way. I used to just come and say its ***** With Attitude. but now understanding they want to totally delete the word and using the actual letter is just as bad as saying it ie ****** also known as the * Word which for point I won't do it. Just a Racial Epitaph. However having said this Some love being called a Clothes Whore, Shoes Whore etc. And they themselves say it. I don't exactly tie that word in context to a gender. Simply because all BS words are gender slanted. Think the Suicide Girls photographer came up with the best one that wasn't female specific. Brotherfucker. But this PC Zero Tolerance crowd. Really needs to stop. I can never tolerate the Zero Tolerance crap from either the left or right. Because usually the wrong people get hurt. Naturally someone has a tit for tat argument on this thread and one of that tats gets reported. oh of course this phrase is messed up in the PC crowd already because I can only say Tat . Which is where George Carlin would say all about the double meaning words. You can Prick your finger but don't finger your *****

Tater T*ts? no? Think we all need to deflate find a punching bag that well actually breaks when you hit it. or help tear down a house etc and get rid of our anger. It's not helpful. Wish us luck

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
162. In the early days, when DU was a Liberal Board, it was also used
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

against conservative Corporate Democrats, like Diane Feinstein.

This was posted in the early 2000s without complaints or problems:

Who is the Conservative Corporate Whore?

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Ha,ha.
Trick Question.
They BOTH are.


For those needing an ID, the woman on the left is former Texas Republican Senator, Kay Bailey Hutchison who never met a WAR she didn't like.
The woman on the right is Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein, who also never met a WAR she didn't like. Her husband makes MILLIONS from sweetheart government deals, especially WAR.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
165. It wasn't even used in reference to Hillary Clinton.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

Her supporters just assumed it was because the shoe fits so well.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
166. True - I've used it for a decade for male and female corporate whores...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

and these con men and women who sell our country out from under us deserve the description.

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