2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIS THIS TRUE? Rigging the New York Vote: Majority of Polling Places do not open UNTIL Noon?
If true, WHO Is this expected to benefit? From what I remember hearing on one of the corp. channels NYC and the suburbs are supposed to be favorable to Clinton. So people are saying it is standard practice for primaries but why? It would seem to disenfranchise a lot of people.
I checked today to see if this was a statewide phenomenon, or limited to the cheapskates on my own local Board of Elections. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that outside of New York City and the counties of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Rockland, Orange, Putnam and Erie, where the polls will open at 6 oclock in the morning, every other county in New York does not open for voting until Noon. Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Rockland, Orange, and Putnam counties are all essentially suburbs of New York City. Erie County, which includes Buffalo, is the only outlier in the bunch.
That means the voters in every other county in New York state will lose those six critical morning hours in which to cast their ballots. If you think this doesn't matter, think again. Many poor and lower middle class folks work swing shifts, which will make it much more difficult for them to vote in this election. If you think that seems unwarranted and unfair, and smacks of potential voter suppression, well join the crowd.
I called the New York State's official Board of Elections information number, (518) 474-6336, and was basically given the runaround. The woman who answered the phone was nice enough, but she had no answer as to why only the voters in Buffalo and NYC - and its six downstate suburban neighbors - are blessed with SIX more hours in which to vote, compared to everyone else in New York State. She took my name and phone number, and promised that someone with "more knowledge of the reasons why some voters are more equal than others, but I suspect it will be a cold day in hell before I hear back from them.
Until I learned of this, to my mind, effort to suppress the votes in counties in which millions of people live (yes, Virginia, New York City and its burbs do not equal all of New York state, not by by a long shot), I had no idea that the polling hours would be so restricted across much of the state next Tuesday.
To give you an idea, the total population of the New York state is roughly 20 million people. Of that number, about 12.25 million (2012 estimates) live in those counties listed above where voters get 6 extra hours to vote on Tuesday, April 19th. The means roughly 8 million people reside in counties where we cannot vote from 6:00 AM until Noon on Tuesday, unlike more privileged New Yorkers, most of whom live in or around New York City.
This drastic change in voting hours has not been actively publicized to the electorate by the government of New York State or, as far as I know, by the local county board of elections where voting hours have been cut. I only learned of it by sheer accident.
If you are a New Yorker who lives in a county where your voting hours have been slashed, please call the New York State Board of Elections at (518) 474-6336 to demand that the polls open at 6:00 am as is traditionally the case in every election in New York State. Call your local board of elections, too. You can find their website here at this link and clicking on your county shown on the map displayed there.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/14/1515325/-WTF-Majority-of-New-York-Polling-Places-Don-t-Open-Until-Noon-Demand-the-Same-Hours-For-All
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Skwmom
(12,685 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)it does matter if this is a new thing for this election
the ny political parties really do not encourage voter participation and seem to be openly discouraging it for this primary
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Whether it's new or not, why does New York go to such great pains to prevent people from voting? First, you have to register nearly a half a year before the presidential primaries, then you have to be registered with a party and then you can't vote until mid-day.
You'd think a state as blue as New York would stop these voter suppression tactics. That's not very "Democratic" or "democratic."
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Many wrongs are OLD and yet still wrong.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)hours. This is the same as the primaries four years ago.
I'd advise you to delete this CT, as it has been debunked.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I know in my town they wanted really short hours for local elections to reduce the amount of new voters. We fought hard to extend the hours just a little bit, still haven't gotten them extended to same as the elections in November.
June 2014: "The state Board of Elections notes primary polls outside New York City, Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Orange and Putnam do not open until 12 noon. They close at 9 p.m. More information here."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/time-vote-new-york-blog-entry-1.1841436
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)?
ty for the 2014 link
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Some elections hours were decided by the city, and some by the county or state. I know it would be easier if it was uniform, but they use the low participation as a reason to keep the hours shorter.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)New York City hit a historic low in voter turnout last November, but the latest report from the U.S. Election Assistance Commission makes it clear that our voter turnout crisis extends across New York State. After each federal election, the EAC collects data from election administrators around the country about voter registration and turnout for the best comparison for how states stack up against each other. New York routinely ranks near the bottom for turnout in EAC reports, and 2014 was no different. The state trailed the rest of the nation, ranking 46th for voter turnout among the citizen voting age population (CVAP). An abysmally low 29.1% of citizens age 18 or over cast a ballot last November only slightly better than the 20% who turned out in New York City. New York can and should do more to encourage civic participation among voters starting with reforming our outdated, restrictive election laws. NYC Votes advocated for election reforms in Albany this year, and we will be discussing other ways to boost civic participation at our conference this week.
http://www.nyccfb.info/media/blog/new-york-state-near-bottom-voter-turnout-rankings
So congratulations?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The whole thing is like a snake chasing it's tail. I don't think we can fix the state rules without getting involved in the party at the state level. I know we fought this locally years ago - for our city council and school board elections- and got longer hours after a long battle. It would be great if there were national standards, but I don't think there is any way to fix that for primaries.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)..... Westchester, Orange and Putnam do not open until 12 noon. They close at 9 p.m. More information here."
Daily News June 2014. Not new voter suppression. Seriously, stop spreading lies.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)So you're okay with old voter suppression?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)- and to be blamed on Clinton and or the DNC......when it is in actuality, only new to new voters. The OP is a lie, and too many seem happy with it anyway. Each state or county does things differently- just like the caucuses, this is nothing new to most of us. It is not some conspiracy against SBS. Sorry to debunk that.
I remember many years ago, I needed to look up when the polls were open to vote, and learning that Spring elections or special elections sometimes had shockingly short hours. So we protested at City Council meetings, and they extended hours for some regular elections. Special elections will still be a mixed bag though.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Retrograde
(10,137 posts)than those that traditionally vote Rep? If you read the comments in the linked article it seems like this goes back at least two decades. IIRC, employers are required to give their employees time off to vote if they can not otherwise get to the polls outside of work hours.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)So many excuses for the inexcusable.