Paul Song was not even referring to Hillary Clinton when he called out "corporate whores."

[mhatrw]

That's what makes me laugh the most about this manufactured controversy.

Paul Song was talking about members of Congress who whore themselves out to corporations instead of supporting regular citizens, the vast majority of whom are male.

There is no reason whatsoever for any rational person to conclude that he was referring to a former Secretary of State other than the fact that the shoe fits so very, very well.

[MADem]

1. Sure didn't sound that way to me. nt

[Prism]

36. A bell would sound like an avalanche to you

So no harm there

[MADem]

48. This sounds like Lisa Ling's husband is calling SECSTATE Clinton a BAD WORD.

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

With "friends" like that, Sanders does not need enemies.

[silvershadow]

42. and yet... nt

[MADem]

49. ?

[MADem]

52. ?

If you don't respond with anything resembling substance, I'm going to assume you got nuthin'.

[Kalidurga]

2. I think he would have been more right if that is what he was doing.

Most members of congress don't have near the resources Hillary does and most don't get in bed with near the number of corporations that are actually hurting people. However, in large numbers they are just as bad.

[merrily]

3. Remind me what he said about Medicare for All?

Do you see what happened? The conversation went from Medicare for All, which every Democrat should espouse, but Hillary opposes, to Bernie had a sexist speaker because he said "corporate whore," which applies to anyone of any gender who sells out to corporations.

They should be defending Hillary's position on Medicare for All. Instead, we are defending a speaker who advocated for Medicare for All. How fucked up is that.

Please, someone, bring the conversation to where it belongs. Please.

[upaloopa]

8. If Bernie were president he would be working to expand the ACA

That is what could get done

[merrily]

9. No, he wouldn't, but thanks for sharing from your very cloudy crystal ball and talking points.

He would be working toward Medicare for All. He expanded the ACA by millions of dollars with his amendment before it even became law.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. This healthcare discussion needs to be over, we must have single payer and now.

[blm]

4. It doesn't make me laugh - it makes me sad that fellow Dems in both camps are so

desperately seeking to be 'outraged' on a daily basis that they will exaggerate anything and kick anyone to the curb, even this honorable physician who really didn't say anything different than many of us who opposed Lieberman over the years, and even the late Maya Angelou who had a great love for HRC. Both sides are reaching for the worst to toss around, instead of celebrating the fact that both our Dem candidates are mountains above what GOP offers.

[pdsimdars]

47. there is no equivalency . . . these exaggerated and twisted memes are coming from ONE SIDE ONLY

There is push back from the other side but they don't twist and fabricate.

[blm]

55. Both sides tend to ignore context in these battles. You are welcome to convince

yourself otherwise, but, I have been seeing it weekly, if not every other day here.

I doubt many on this board try to look at these matters in an unbiased way and through the lens of the 'other' and would say the same as you did here. Try reading the complaints from both groups. They pretty much run parallel.

[Hekate]

5. Wong name, wong conclusion. Like the podium tweeter, the name is Song.

And Paul Song did indeed refer to Hillary Rodham Clinton, she who got reamed for "Hillary Care" back in the day, as a "corporate whore." It was one heck of a dog whistle when he was singing that song, because the whole crowd heard him loud and clear.

[George II]

7. And gave him a rousing cheer. Intentional or not, his fans loved it. Sad that.

[mhatrw]

19. How is it sad?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027758193

[MADem]

51. They cheered, too--the full quote, where he named her twice, talked about PRESIDENTS

(not congresspeople) and called her that ugly name:


Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

Good thing his wife cancels out his nasty ass vote! What's amazing--or maybe not--is that they don't even SEE how obvious they are when they do this shit. It's like they think they have a RIGHT to say these kinds of things, and then get annoyed when decent people take umbrage.

[mhatrw]

58. LOL. Replace "Secretary Clinton" with "Senator Warren", and nobody would think Song was

referring to Senator Warren when he said we should not continue to elect corporate whores.

[MADem]

62. DUH. "Senator Warren" isn't RUNNING for anything. Good grief--you can't even read for context?

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

[mhatrw]

64. Marco Rubio is a Koch brothers' whore.

Do you agree or disagree?

[MADem]

68. You need to start a thread about Marco Rubio if you want to talk about him--this comment is

disgusting, it is sexist, it is misogynistic, and if you are making excuses for it by trying to make cute remarks about Marco Rubio to distract from the utter ugliness of the comment, you are showing us exactly what you are:


Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

[George II]

6. Freudian slip - Song, not Wong.

[mhatrw]

17. Thanks. nt

[seabeyond]

10. Women are being called whore from 12 on, for the rest of their lives. Every woman that heard it,

knows who it is directed at. Women.

and those Sanders women that want to say, ... nu uh. Sure, go for it.

This was bad. The more I think, really bad.

But hey, lets pretend it is gender neutral.

[seabeyond]

14. Every woman heard a woman called a whore. You can change it up however you want.

But, we heard what we heard.

And I can say, it is merely a Democratic whore we are talking about right now.

[mhatrw]

21. The only reason Clinton supporters arrive at this conclusion is because the shoe fits so snugly.

"Medicare-for-all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us."

There is no reason to believe that word "whores" is referring to anyone other than the group of Democrats "who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us."

So what makes you think that Clinton is part of the group of Democrats who is "beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us"?

[MADem]

56. No--there is no reason to believe he meant anything other than the Secretary of State when he made

that remark.

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

[eShirl]

22. gee, thanks for speaking for me

[beam me up scottie]

23. No we didn't, stop speaking for us. Jesus that's the LAST thing we need, we'll be laughingstocks.

[uppityperson]

30. Hi

[beam me up scottie]

32. Remember BOOBS2016?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251557251

[MADem]

54. Plenty of men did, too--there's no way to gussy up this ugliness.

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

[mhatrw]

60. Yes, it is very, very ugly to whore out your position of power to corporate interests.

Don't you agree that what all the Republicans who whore themselves out to Koch brothers are doing is ugly?

[MADem]

61. You know what I "agree" with? That anyone who doesn't see this for the disgusting slur it is

can not-so-proudly call themselves a misogynist:


Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

[mhatrw]

63. Marco Rubio is a Koch brothers' whore.

Do you agree or disagree? Yes or no.

[MADem]

65. If you want to talk about Marco Rubio, start a thread on the topic.

I think anyone who dismisses this comment as anything other than ugly sexism is an asshole:

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

[mhatrw]

69. Do you think Marco Rubio is a Koch brothers' whore?

Do you or do you not believe the term is apt in this context?

[MADem]

70. If you want to talk about Rubio, start a thread on the topic.

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. (boos) Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. (cheers) Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores (cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.”

This is a sexist, misogynist comment. If you endorse or support it, you are endorsing sexism and misogyny.

[mhatrw]

16. Yeah, so he wanted us to try to vote out the women corporate whores. Right?

He's just fine with the male corporate whores who severely outnumber the women?

[noretreatnosurrender]

39. Pathetic

The Hillary Clinton campaign and her supporters are setting women back with this nonsense. I'm so sick of them using women as pawns in their campaign. The ONLY people who agree with you are other Hillary supporters. Everyone who is on the outside of your bubble is totally disgusted by this cynical campaign tactic that USES women to try to gain political advantage for your candidate. Every time you post this hateful narrative you create more bitterness towards your candidate. As a woman I'm thoroughly disgusted with the lot of you. Maybe you don't know what the word backlash is but I suspect that should Hillary become the nominee you might find out and by then it will be too late.

[northernsouthern]

40. Sorry you are wrong there

I had an ex that as a kid her mother told her that she was a wh@re for sticking her tongue out at another kid. That fucked with her a bit, but now she uses it to refer to many things. I know plenty of women that do not agree with that. When you make absolute statements you are showing a bias. If the guy was pointing to Hillary and said it to her face, then he would be using it in a bad way, but with our modern society the meaning has changed (you should look up etymology you may find it a neat read). I have said I did not like the word, but with the number of posts you guys are doing about it, I am starting to be desensitized to it. So thanks for that I guess. But the way the guy said it 100% applied to her lackeys in congress, of whom are the majority are men. The most that would make Hillary is a pimp, which would make the banks the tricks?

[ms liberty]

41. Bullshit. I'm a woman, and I knew exactly what he meant

And who he was describing. I did NOT take it personally, because I am an adult woman who doesn't need people to tiptoe around a subject in order to avoid hurting my widdle fee-fees. Grow up. Not everything is about gender.

[jack_krass]

91. It can be used in a gender neutral way

[seabeyond]

92. No.

[jack_krass]

93. Yep

[malokvale77]

11. I did notice however...

that Hillary supporters and the corporate whores came to her rescue.

That says all I need to know.

ETA: I already knew. I did the research.

[Tarc]

12. Please don't lie in the Democratic Underground, esp. when it is so easily refuted

“Corporate Democratic Whores” is a Sexist Slur that Demeans Women

Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare-for-all will never happen. Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare-for-all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. Medicare-for-all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.

Clinton is named directly in the first two sentences, then the misogynist slur is in the 3rd sentence. It was aimed directly at her.

[mhatrw]

20. The only reason Clinton supporters arrive at this conclusion is because the shoe fits so snugly.

"Medicare-for-all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us."

There is no reason to believe that word "whores" is referring to anyone other than the group of Democrats "who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us."

So what makes you think that Clinton is part of the group of Democrats who is "beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us"?

[Tarc]

24. Name-dropped twice, then the w-word follows immediately thereafter

It was directed at Clinton personally. You have no valid argument to rebut that.

Women heard the context here loud and clear here; they've been hearing the same or similar misogyny for years.

[mhatrw]

31. LOL. Had he been talking about Elizabeth Warren before he said "corporate whores", not a

single person here would have assumed he was referencing her.

[Tarc]

33. By all means, continue to defend Son'gs misogyny, long after Sanders himself apologized for it

Once again, Bernie proves to be a better man and one of character than some of his supporters.

[mhatrw]

37. LOL. Sanders was just trying to diffuse a total distraction.

I don't have to do so.

I am and have always been proudly anti-corporate whore. How about you? Are you with them or against them?

[nc4bo]

15. Must have touched a nerve - just a little too close to home.

When the piggies squeal, you know you got 'em!

The man is a walking miracle as he never mentioned one name, never made it personal.

[uponit7771]

26. Gas lighting does't work here, we're too focused

[MADem]

66. +1,000! nt

[realmirage]

28. This staunch denial helps Hillary

Please proceed

[YOHABLO]

29. Nothing like the truth to stir the pot.

[putitinD]

34. if it quacks like a duck, and if it walks like a duck, its probably a duck

[Mike Nelson]

35. Sure sounded to me...

...like he was saying elect Bernie rather than the corporate whore. I think the audience too it that way, too. Maybe it was unintended by Mr. Song?

In any case, it's apparent they believe she's a corporate whore and simply haven't settled on an appropriate way of describing the corporate whore.

[mhatrw]

38. Really? So you think it is apt to describe Hillary Clinton as a corporate whore?

How could any such label be referencing her?

[hopeforchange2008]

43. Exactly - why do the hillbots assume that he was referring to Hillary?

There are plenty in office who have sold out to the highest bidder, and yet their umbrage is on her behalf.

[Mike Nelson]

44. To me, it's not acceptable...

It may be a description that is more accepted with millennials... I honestly don't know... And, if that's what they believe, it's acceptable for them. Not me, though. I don't think our (Democratic) candidates should be described in that way.

[mhatrw]

57. 35 years ago, students at my college were calling other students who dressed up or brought signs

in order to try to get on TV at sporting events "media whores."

Since most of these people were men, nobody ever objected that the term was sexist.

And since the description was apt, this moniker is still widely used on college campuses to this day.

Likewise, being a "corporate whore" has nothing to do with gender. It doesn't mean what Clinton supporters are trying to pretend it means.

[Mike Nelson]

87. Thanks for sharing your first-hand knowledge...

...I did not know the term was used for men around 1980. I am not trying to sound snide. I will trust your experience. It's simply not my recollection. I remember the term becoming vogue more recently, and it being used to describe more women than men.

[NowSam]

45. I think the lady doth protest too much. ..

If the words conjur her name than maybe it's because it is a widely held perception.

[pdsimdars]

46. Hillary and her supporters are not bothered or inconvenienced by facts or truth.

[Congruente]

53. Bernie condemned the use of the word

Regardless of context.

[mhatrw]

67. Yes, he said the word is bad. I can see that. Some people don't like to call assholes assholes.

Some people don't like to call idiots idiots.

Some people don't even like to call jerks jerks.

If you have a problem with the using the word "whore" in any context, as many older, cultured people do, that is your right. It is not a diplomatic word, and Presidential candidates should be diplomatic.

I am not Presidential candidate, and I think Marco Rubio is a Koch brothers' whore. Do you agree or disagree? Or are you too shocked to even consider the question?

[Dem2]

59. Well, and he used her name in each sentence before

It's not funny.

[mhatrw]

73. because it's true.

[Dem2]

74. Disgusting

No Democrat would support this sort of misogyny.

[TM99]

80. Then you don't belong here.

Corporate whores, media whores, and attention whores in reference to men and women, Democrats and Republicans have been made on these boards for over a decade.

[Dem2]

86. I've joked about it too

In this case, he was calling Hillary a corporate Democratic Whore, and that's misogynist. If you don't see that then you may be a misogynist too.

[TM99]

88. Nope.

You might argue he lumped her in with the phrase. But he used the plural form of the word. You would recognize the full context if you looked at the speech and what it was about as opposed to parsing one paragraph.

And no, I am not a misogynist.

Y'all are pathetic with these memes of racism, sexism, etc. against Sanders and his supporters just to bolster the lying and corrupt candidate y'all support.

[Dem2]

89. I'm not denying something obvious

You are; I support both candidates, so this is just another fallacy you dump when you're losing an argument.

Ad hominem 'till your heart is content, I'm simply evenly applying standards that both Song and Bernie clearly believe apply here.

[TM99]

90. Nope.

You are willingly spread distortions to push an agenda.

Funny how calling someone out on exactly what they are doing becomes an ad hominem attack.

[nc4bo]

71. Just about everyone's more conservative down here, churches, blacks, whites, fireants, coyotes. nt

[MisterP]

72. pretty damn suspicious that the moment someone says "corporate whore"

they jump off and shout "Hillary Clinton is NOT!"

even though nobody mentioned her all day

[ContinentalOp]

75. He literally mentioned her twice in the two sentences prior to his use of the word "whore."

[MisterP]

77. she h'ain't been in Congress since 08

[ContinentalOp]

78. Huh? He said nothing about congress.

"Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare-for-all will never happen. Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare-for-all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. Medicare-for-all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us."

[TM99]

81. Did no one teach y'al grammer?

OK, Hillary Clinton is a singular individual, right?

So if he was directly commenting on the 'her' from the two prior sentences, he would have said 'Democratic Corporate Whore'. Again singular.

But he did not. He said 'Democratic Corporate Whores'. See that (s) on the end of the word 'whore'. They means it is the plural form of the word.

So you might mind read and infer that he included Clinton as a part of the group 'Democratic Corporate Whores' but given he was speaking in the entire section of his speech on the ACA which was decided by congress AFTER Clinton was no longer a Senator, then it is actually the case that he is referring to the congress people who as 'Democratic Corporate Whores' allowed the ACA, an insurance mandate, to become our universal health system INSTEAD of Medicare for all or single payer.

Y'all are the ones trying desperately to make it about her, the singular person, as opposed to the plurality he actually said.

Y'all are doing this for one of two reason. One is to throw the very tiresome sexism meme around to distract from her other flaws that have been on glaring display in the last week amidst her own internal polling numbers that don't look so good for the NY primary. Or two, it is because y'all know that she is a 'Democratic Corporate Whore' as she panders and engages in quid pro quo arrangements in secret with Wall Street execs through her speeches, relationships, and the Clinton Foundation. While Sanders is in Rome talking about economic justice and reform, she will be suckling at the teat of big money and allowing more of its influence in politics while at the same time out of the other side of her mouth she is promising to work against and over turn CU.

[Kip Humphrey]

76. they just assumed.

[redstateblues]

79. Of course he was- Bernie stirs hate, anger and envy

Paul Song has benefitted greatly from his connections to big Pharma

[loyalsister]

82. When used alone

the word whore has been aplied only to women for as long as it has been used. The only way language has agreed upon meaning is through the history of it's use. That's the only way it has any value. First amendment fundamentalists do not understand that it does not guarantee a right to offend people without criticism.
Regardless of intent, that term implicitly references the woman in this race. I have no love for Hillary Clinton. I have especially found her exploitation of sexism via accusations to be particularly nauseating. I am really disappointed that Songs actually did display sexism, thus legitimizing the less credible accucasions.

[mhatrw]

83. "When used alone, the word whore has been applied only to women for as long as it has been used."

Yes. And if anyone called any woman, even DWS, a whore without any modifier, I would be the very first to shut that sexist bullshit down.

When used with the word "corporate" in front of it, the phrase "corporate whore" has been rightfully applied to more male politicians than female politicians since it has been used because the term clearly applies to more male politicians than female politicians.

[ContinentalOp]

84. And why is it considered an insult?

Sure, it's sometimes applied to men, but only because it's considered an insult to put a feminine label on a man. Using it that way is still sexist. You're taking female sex workers, who are some of the most vulnerable, at risk people around, and using them as a synonym for everything that you consider evil and corrupt.

[mhatrw]

85. I agree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511740495