Question:

[tk2kewl]

Is it ok to say Hillary is in bed with the corporations and billionaires?

[rock]

1. Since it's a lie

Not unless you're a Bernie fan.

[tk2kewl]

3. what's a lie?

[rock]

7. The presupposition in your question

Presupposition (linguistics): an underlying statement which is assumed.

[tk2kewl]

11. Plenty of evidence suggests otherwise

But since you're clearly oblivious to it I won't bother reposting it here

[rock]

13. How about presenting to a judge and

see what she says? And you're right. Since I'm pretty sure it's garbage, I am and remain oblivious to it.

[tk2kewl]

17. a judge?

Like in a court?

[Avalux]

25. Hillary is really good at that!

Do you know what else she's good at? Lying and taking gobs of money from billionaires and corps. You must be one of those who think she's incorruptible.

[rock]

31. Show me the proof

Oh, I forgot BSers don't believe in facts or truth or proof. Never mind.

[litlbilly]

5. 135 million from speeches for Bill and Hillary proves you are wrong.

[rock]

10. It does not

It's a lie. Time to play Bernie's tune: Liar, liar. Pants on fire. Feel the bern.

[tk2kewl]

18. they didn't make millions on corporate speeches?

I must be getting bad information

[Agschmid]

2. You can say it all you want, but it won't build support for you candidate.

At least not from me.

Not that it matters.

[tk2kewl]

6. that's not what I was trying to do

Just trying to understand how sensative we are about common colloquialisms for pay-to-play politics

[Agschmid]

8. I don't much care.

I think a lot of things have an undercurrent of sexism but it is what it is.

Insert whatever ~ism you'd like.

[tk2kewl]

19. a lot of things have an undercurrent of corruption too

I'd just like to know the rules of expressing my contempt of corruption

[Agschmid]

21. No rules IMO.

Just what a jury decides.

[tk2kewl]

22. a DU jury or a courtroom jury?

[Agschmid]

23. DU.

[tk2kewl]

24. what about the money?

Money has become unrelated speech. It seems you couldn't get even get a case for bribery or corruption before a court, but actual word speech is the subject of intense scrutiny. People are vilified for how they use their words but how they use their money, not so much.

[Agschmid]

26. I haven't vilified anyone for their word choice.

There are a whole lot of reasons why or why not to support a delegate, and what surrogate said isn't one of them.

[tk2kewl]

27. I'm not suggesting you did

And I absolutely agree with your sentiment re why one might or might not support a candidate.

I really am concerned, however, that words become so important, while other issues seem to be brushed aside simply b/c "it's not illegal "

[Agschmid]

30. IMO that is somewhat valid criticism.

[Broward]

4. Things are getting confusing. I know that racist jokes are ok though.

[tk2kewl]

9. apparently

And economic justice has nothing in common with social justice. I'm really just trying to navigate the new rules of progressive politics

[Broward]

12. Yeah, single-payer healthcare is bad, but supporting unnecessary, disastrous wars is a-ok.

[riderinthestorm]

14. I wonder if warmonger is out too since monger means to whore about

monger

Short for whoremonger, i.e., one who frequents whores and prostitutes.

He's a true monger, even his vacations are all to primo whorefucking destinations.

by Cabron December 05, 2004

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=monger

[tk2kewl]

16. interesting

[Prism]

15. Only if you're reenacting a Hellen Keller skit

Then there's a certain logic to it.

But then again, Hellen Keller was against fucking the disadvantaged.

I dunno. You take your chances.

[Sky Masterson]

20. No

If you said "Bernie is in bed with the corporations and billionaires?" it would fly.
It wouldn't be true but who cares.

[asuhornets]

28. Is it ok

to say that your candidate is 17 points behind in New York. Or my candidate is projected to win the next six primaries? Or more than likely she will be the next and first woman president?

[Armstead]

29. NO. You can not even mention her name, unless given permission.