OFFICIAL DEBATE THREAD #2

[laruemtt]

Continued from Debate Thread #1.

[Madam Mossfern]

1. Thank you

[Ron Green]

2. Thanks to those of you posting details

from those of us without Teevee.

[EndElectoral]

3. Is this a monologue?

[apcalc]

182. She knows alot

[laruemtt]

4. Can't wait to see how she

responds to the Super Predator thing. Bernie's doing great.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. Crime bill.

Super predators.

[BernieforPres2016]

37. He said it was a racist term, and everybody knew it

And she didn't address it.

[Renew Deal]

6. Link to thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1736498

[Blue_In_AK]

7. Take pot off schedule I.

[elleng]

8. Take M J out of Controlled Substances Act!

[Warren DeMontague]

10. watch her ignore it

yep

[Blue_In_AK]

13. I had a hunch she would ignore that.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. End Federal Marijuana Prohibition? Look, over there, it's Kim Kardashian!

wait, what was the question?

[Sky Masterson]

9. She didn't answer any question just asked

.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. the only way she'll talk about marijuana is to "pivot" to heroin addiction.

just watch.

[Sky Masterson]

17. Everything with her is incremental.

She is losing big on this point tonight.

[Impedimentus]

21. She learned about marijuana watching Reefer Madness.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[Blue_In_AK]

11. Hillary talking past her time.

[suffragette]

14. Yep, again.

[snowy owl]

29. I've never seen a debate where hosts kept her to time. They often do B but rarely HRC.

He's had occasions but damn few where he was allowed to go over time. Worst I saw was when Karen Tumulty was panelist on CNN debate. She had no problem cutting off Bernie but letting HRC go over time. I thought Cooper did pretty well.

[suffragette]

38. She went full out stump speech there for awhile.

[longship]

16. But it's her turn! Damnit!

[EndElectoral]

18. Thus far -Wall Street and Trade - Sanders; Guns - Clinton; Jails and Incarceration - Sanders

[longship]

20. Thanks, as expected.

[snowy owl]

19. One of cable shows earlier someone said Bernie doesn't like scripted to rue of advistors - it shows.

HRC very scripted from "I believe" stolen from Bernie to "artful smears" about every little think which are really lies of omission. He's so authentic and it may hurt him in NY where I guess they love fast talk by con artists.

[Armstead]

22. The moderators are actually doing a good job IMO

They're asking decent questions, and even Wolf is doing a good job at moving things along in a businesslike pace.

[Karma13612]

23. Hillary gives speeches, Bernie is barely allowed to

give his responses to both her lies, and the questions directed to him from the moderators.

Bernie is being railroaded again. I will not call Hillary anything bad. But, I don't like her.

She oversteps and uses dirty tricks.

This debate is kinda hard to watch.

Bernie is a good hearted person who should be the nominee.

I just hope the crowds at the rallies, and the supporters at this debate will go out and vote for him.

I also think they should show the 'time limit' clocks on the front of their podiums so everyone can see when they talk over their limit.

And, when they do go over their limit, I think they should SHUT OFF THEIR MICROPHONE.

Hillary will never get my vote.

[longship]

27. Yup, the old Gish gallop.

Throw out so much bullshit that opponent cannot possibly respond to it all.

[elleng]

33. Didn't know it has a name!

[longship]

70. Google it.

It has an interesting heritage. Duane Gish was a really interesting character, but mad as a hatter.

Gish Gallop

[Karma13612]

69. Yea, sounds about right. She is hammering on and he is not given

the time to respond.

and the moderators simply move on and expect him to then answer a new question.

This is a flippin slaughter.

[silvershadow]

135. That's exactly what it is. nt

[snowy owl]

34. Karma & longshiop right on. It is being managed and her answers are non-answers.

[cannabis_flower]

121. She also has that horrible condescending derisive laugh.

It is really horrible.

[bkkyosemite]

24. I apologize for I am going to use bad language

She is a FUCKING LIAR

[elleng]

28. Yes.

I called her out (here, @ home; sorry you couldn't hear me!)

[beedle]

46. I though Mrs Sanders ...

... name was "Jane Sanders", not "Hillary Clinton"

because from what I hearing she is claiming to be closer to Bernie, further left of Bernie, than Jane.

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[Blue_In_AK]

25. That was a "heh," not exactly a chuckle,

For you drinking gamers out there,

[longship]

32. Oh, I am going to be so fucked up.

I wish I hadn't chosen martinis.

I am on my second, so I am safe, for now.

[BernieforPres2016]

26. Nice placement on that Wal-Mart workers commercial on how they're being screwed

helpchangewalmart.com

I sure wish Bernie would ask Hillary why she didn't do anything for way Wal-Mart treats its workers while she was on the Board of Wal-Mart for 6 years, working alongside a director who was Wal-Mart's primary union buster.

[Sky Masterson]

30. She just took us on a word salad journey miles away from where she started

I already forgot what the question was

[Blue_In_AK]

31. Fossil fuel lobbyists' campaign contributions.

Ouch.

[snowy owl]

51. I wish they could get back status quo (legacy) vs. change; those are differences instead of BS

we are hearing. Net neutrality; fracking; TPP etc etc etc ... now she's using Obama. She's not Obama. When will she realize that. And what about Libya?

[pinebox]

35. 43 lobbyists!

She is a sell out!

[Duppers]

36. Global Warming.

Let's talk about a carbon tax.

[BernieforPres2016]

43. Hillary ducks on a carbon tax

Bernie hits her for promoting fracking around the world.

[Duppers]

45. Fracking all over the world.

Yes she did.

[laruemtt]

39. Fracking - get her, Bernie!!

[Blue_In_AK]

40. Get beyond paper agreements re climate change.

[Renew Deal]

41. Sanders: "Climate change is a global environmental crisis of unprecidented urgency"

[Impedimentus]

42. I'm President Obama when it comes to climate change

I'm Hillary Obama.

FEEL THE BERN - 2106

[BernieforPres2016]

49. You've got that right

We can't possibly do better - Hillary's campaign theme.

[Blue_In_AK]

44. Uh-oh, another chuckle.

[EndElectoral]

47. No answer regarding the lobbying abroad for fracking, nor the carbon tax.

Hiding behind Obama rather than the issues.

[Madam Mossfern]

48. another chuckle

just saying.....
for those who are counting

Why is she talking about Obama, and not for herself on climate change.

[Barack_America]

50. Whoa. Clinton word salad on climate change.

Deflects to praise of Obama to escape.

[snowy owl]

58. Promises she'll forget first day. Count on it. Words, words, words.

[snowy owl]

64. Some will be offended but Obama didn't keep his promises either. Didn't even try...

He was a good President esp. at the end. But he promised and forgot a lot of them. Bernie is the real thing.

[karynnj]

87. Not just word salad - see claims everything mainly done by President Obama/Secretary Kerry

in the second term. It was Kerry who led on the US/China Pact and then got other agreements at the Lima summit. It was people like Ban Ki Moon, Fabius and Kerry who got those 160 or so countries to agree.

Secretary Clinton was there for the failure that was Copenhagen.

It amazes me that she failed to even mention Kerry ... but no surprise as in an earlier debate after a long word salad on what SHE did on the Iran deal, she credited Kerry with finalizing the deal!

It's like anything good that happened in the second term was hers. What's next, in her readjusting what she and Kerry did -- will she claim that Kerry stupidly set up that email server in HER basement.

[Nye Bevan]

52. OK, I support Bernie on the carbon tax. Makes a lot of economic sense. (nt)

[Blue_In_AK]

53. Why have you changed your view on fracking?

[Mother Of Four]

54. Is Obama running for a third term?

I thought it was supposed to be Hillary's campaign ... not Obamas?

[frylock]

177. She should just let Obama handle any further debates.

[Blue_In_AK]

55. More incrementalism.

[longship]

59. Don't you mean, "NO WE CAN'T!!" nt

[BernieforPres2016]

56. This 3rd guy from New York is so much better than the 2 CNN hacks

He should be moderating the debate by himself.

Hillary completely ducks her flip flop on fracking, goes on to coal, solar panels, everywhere but fracking.

[Renew Deal]

66. He is pretty good

NY1 is a good channel in NYC

[laruemtt]

68. Agree 1000%.

[Barack_America]

57. More Clinton word salad.

Only thing missing is an "also too".

[Barack_America]

65. And another Clinton diversion. Obama Supreme Court nominee?

In response to a carbon tax question?

[Renew Deal]

76. She connected the point, but I didn't like the point

She made the Garland choice political

[Blue_In_AK]

60. Carbon tax, Hillary? How about it?

Answer the question, Hill. Come on, you can do it.

[Madam Mossfern]

61. Obama again

obfuscating.
Hillary, shame on you.

[Sky Masterson]

62. Salad

Word Salad.

[Renew Deal]

63. Bernie's gestures are funny some times

[Madam Mossfern]

67. That's what makes him so human

and genuine.

[snowy owl]

71. He's getting his mojo now. He thinks intellectually and not in ad hominems. He's so honest.

[silvershadow]

156. yep. nt

[BeyondGeography]

72. Deep doo doo

[ecstatic]

73. This is what you "doodoo"

[firebrand80]

74. Heh, he said doo-doo nt

[beedle]

75. Clinton: I'll just promote Global Climate Disasters

until we come up with a plan to study, what actions we need to review, from the Obama administration, what went through the judicial system, that we can table, in an upcoming year of my 1st administration, at which time We should have a plan on how to proceed in our planning."

Gee, Clinton has "BIG BOLD GOALS" for the most important issue ever facing humanity ... but her plans are all for dealing with the issue of 'protecting the banks". Nothing on saving humanity!?

[Blue_In_AK]

77. Bernie's right on the climate.

[ecstatic]

78. So Bernie is forced to admit that he'd have to move incrementally on climate change as well. nt

[snowy owl]

79. I cannot stand her smirk.She does that when he's making smart points. Is that the NY way?

[Blue_In_AK]

80. National security, Libya.

Helped the Libyans?

[Mother Of Four]

81. Are you also responsible for Ghaddafi -

"We came - We saw - He died"

But can she answer...nope.

Edit: I can't believe I misspelled his name. (sighs)

[Blue_In_AK]

84. Talk, talk, talk, talk and talk some more.

[OctOct1]

82. Is it just Me???

Sanders Talks for 30 seconds and then Hillary talks for 4 1/2 Min
It is driving me CRAZY

[snowy owl]

95. Not just you . . . watching Bernie's brain working is so revealing. He is getting sharper.

[KPN]

172. No. My wife just said the same thing.

[CentralCoaster]

83. Hillary is losing her ass off, she's shouting, interrupting, evading answers, she's toast.

She's a toasty toast.

Lots of boos tonight.

If ever she had any charm or magic, it's worn away like cheap nail polish.

[longship]

89. Cheap nail polish flakes off at the least pressure. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

85. Regime change.

[hopeforchange2008]

92. Big!

[CoffeeCat]

86. Hillary's not screaming any more

and for that I am grateful.

Maybe the 10 cans of Red Bull wore off.

[longship]

94. More martinis! Less Red Bull! nt

[CoffeeCat]

146. Ok, she's got her hyper-angry voice on again

Can you imagine Elizabeth Warren speaking like this?

Her facial expressions look menacing and she's so terse with her tone and her loud voice.

Being a leader or being commanding is not about acting so surly.

[beedle]

88. Hillary "Proud of Lybia"

A great big string of successes that Libya victory ... If there was a problem, it was all the Libyans ... there goes a whole damn country under the bus.

[BernieforPres2016]

90. Wolf actually questions Hillary on Obama's comment about Libya as his worst mistake

He asks wasn't she also responsible? And of course, she takes no responsibility for it.

Bernie says this was a very tough call for Obama, maybe 51-49, and Hillary led the charge for regime change. He said it is the same type of mentality that led us into the Iraq War. Regime change has unintended consequences.

[EndElectoral]

91. Regime change often has unintended consequences

[EndElectoral]

101. She's trying to equate a unanimous consent agreement for democracy in Libya with a military regime?

[elleng]

93. Right, 'After Action' plans CRITICAL!

[Madam Mossfern]

100. Let her respond

Do they do that for Bernie?
You know she's going to 'respond' for 30 minutes.

[Barack_America]

96. Did Clinton just say we need to remove Assad?

Shocking statement in support of regime change.

[longship]

99. Who's next Hillary? Please name them! nt

[Autumn]

174. More regime change? Good lord does she think of anything else.

[Renew Deal]

97. Hillary makes the point that we stood up to Ghaddafi and if we stood up to Assad, maybe things would

be better in Syria

[Barack_America]

108. I believe she referenced "removing" Assad.

Double-down on ME regime change.

[Blue_In_AK]

98. She is so freakin' smug.

[Merryland]

109. she's unbearable.

[Blue_In_AK]

102. Blaming the Libyans again.

[3hummingbirds]

103. using obama

Every time she is up against the wall, she talks about President Obama and what he has done. This debate is about Bernie and Hillary. Don't go for her garbage.

[BernieforPres2016]

104. Hillary lays Libya at Obama's feet

Pretends she only gathered information and presented it to him. I'll bet he appreciates that.

[snowy owl]

105. She conflates herself with Obama - Bernie notices and comments - love it!

[laruemtt]

106. Ha! He's going after her bringing up Obama all night!

[longship]

113. It's Barack Hillary Obama! nt

[MindPilot]

107. If you close your eyes...

it is like hearing your parents fight in the next room.

[2cannan]

140. LOL! nt

[The Midway Rebel]

175. LOLd and scared my cat.

[BernieforPres2016]

110. Bernie hits her on advocacy for no fly zone in Syria, which Obama doesn't support

Hillary says she was siding with the CIA and the Defense Department, Obama decided no. She says she is still for a no fly zone over Syria.

Finally she at least owns up to something.

[Impedimentus]

111. Now Libya is Obama's fault and she just worked for him.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

116. She ran the entire operation. nt

[CoffeeCat]

112. Thank God they're talking about Syria!

Everyone needs to understand that she's is warmongering in Syria. And Obama does not agree, neither does Bernie.

She didn't learn from Iraq. She didn't learn from Libya. Now, she wants to start in on Syria.

And she will if she is president. President neocon.

[apcalc]

181. Ridiculous

[ecstatic]

114. Bernie and Trump agree on Nato. Maybe they should do a unity ticket. nt

[elleng]

119. Shocking to ask members to contribute, eh???

[7wo7rees]

115. I think I am witnessing a meltdown. Stunning.

And to think we almost decided not to watch!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

125. I almost decided not to watch too but I would have missed Hillary's "how dare you

question or challenge me" attitude. The smug is strong in that person.

[7wo7rees]

179. We are feeling ill, but impressed with questions and responses.

Hill seems very angry, Bernie composed.
.

[snowy owl]

117. now conflating Bernie's opinion on NATO with Trumps? Irrelevant. Red herring. Thanks CNN

[demmiblue]

118. Listen and respect the President's decisions... Sid Blumenthal ring a bell? Hypocrite.

[longship]

122. Does the name Quasimodo ring a bell? nt

[BernieforPres2016]

120. Dana Bash hits a new low

She just did a you like dogs, Hitler likes dogs, does that mean that you're like Hitler?

Bernie said he thought Europe should be paying a bigger share of the military cost of NATO, Bash says Trump says that too so does that mean you agree with Trump?

[BernieforPres2016]

124. Bernie made a great linkage on NATO

He said the U.S. is paying 75% of the military budget of NATO while countries like France and the UK provide free healthcare, free or low cost college education, etc.; they should be able to pay more for their defense.

[Blue_In_AK]

123. Demonize Russia.

[Blue_In_AK]

126. Israel.

Of course, Israel has the right to defend itself, but Gaza? Totally disproportionate.

[elleng]

131. AND treat Palestinian people with respect an dignity!

[BernieforPres2016]

127. Wolf just asked Bernie didn't Israel have a right to defend itself "as it sees fit"?

Are you friggin' kidding me? As it sees fit? In other words, whatever it does, that's OK because they saw fit to do it?

[longship]

134. Oopsie! Netanyahu nuked the Gaza Strip. I guess that's okay because it was as he saw fit. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

128. Respect the Palestinians.

[snowy owl]

129. NATO needed us after WWII-they were bombed to death. We helped.They are now doing better than we are

Time to stop. HRC can's see evolution of need for NATO and Europes ability to now contribute more. We are hurting ourselves. Times change - B = change that HRC doesn't even understand.

[AgerolanAmerican]

130. I can barely watch it

the Clinton warmongering is making me nauseous

[Blue_In_AK]

132. Agree.

She loves her some war.

[BernieforPres2016]

141. Hillary goes to the mattresses for Israel

They called her in Cambodia. Nice name drop.

"There's always second guessing when it comes to a war." Channeling Colonel Jessup there. We need her on that wall.

[BernieforPres2016]

144. My answer to whether or not Israel went too far

was "of course precautions have to be taken"

That's an answer?

[awake]

164. And what was her advice "bomb the shit out of them"

Not do not over react she always side with more war. To quote the 60s band "the Fugs" Kill Kill For Peace.

[Blue_In_AK]

133. She's going full Netanyahu.

[demmiblue]

142. What a disgusting reponse.

She disgusts me.

[EndElectoral]

136. Bombing schoolchildren or UN buildings is a disproportionate response as GreenPeace and Amnesty Int

[snowy owl]

137. Comparing speaking styles and leadership qualities - B listens & offers solutions; HRC hostile,loud

[masmdu]

148. +1

[snowy owl]

163. Haha: Her speech to aipac demonstrates she speaks to what audience wants to hear.

[Sky Masterson]

138. F_ck the Palestinians

Is what she said basically

[Blue_In_AK]

139. God, Hillary, STOP TALKING.

[Onlooker]

143. Yeah, women talk too much n/t

[Armstead]

150. She does

[laruemtt]

151. Oh, give it a rest.

Quit trying to equate being annoyed with her with being sexist.

[frylock]

153. This woman talks over her time. Talks over Bernie.

[masmdu]

159. Naw, but she sure does!

[Duckhunter935]

168. Why bring that sexist crap here

Just admit the fact she talks much longer than allowed, cut the damn mike already.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

180. Hey, Einstein. You were responding to a woman.

[Sky Masterson]

145. No, let her

Please Proceed.

[BernieforPres2016]

154. Agreed. Now she's back to you need me on that wall.

I've been there, nobody can question me. There were only 4 of us in the room.

[longship]

149. But... but... but IT'S HER TURN!!!

[Blue_In_AK]

147. She's really, really bad on this Israel/Palestine issue.

[EndElectoral]

157. Just sees the situation only through Netanyahu's eyes

[Duckhunter935]

173. Yes she was and still never answered

The question after over talking her allotted time every chance she had.

[Blue_In_AK]

152. I I I I I

[TeeYiYi]

155. Did she say 'rockets?'...

I think she meant to say 'rocks.'



TYY

[longship]

158. ***** Getting close for a new thread ***** nt

[Blue_In_AK]

160. Wolf: Thank you

Hillary: talk talk talk talk talk

[Barack_America]

169. He gave Sanders no more than 5 seconds, after she talked over by at least 20.

[elleng]

161. Have to say 'Netanyahu not right all the time!'

[Blue_In_AK]

162. Netanyahu isn't always right.

[BernieforPres2016]

165. Bernie twice now

You gave a major speech to APAIC and barely mentioned the Palestinians.

[7wo7rees]

166. Prescribing the problem. Hillary is losing it over Israel.

This is beautiful. "Well, it all depends on what the definition of is, is".

This is beautiful,!

[BernieforPres2016]

176. Hillary kinda had her Colonel Jessup moment there

She was trying to pretend she just gave Obama advice on Libya and he made his decision.

But then she went all in on Syria, NATO and Israel and let her war monger colors show.

[elleng]

167. LIVE FROM BROOKLYN, NEW YORK!!!

[longship]

178. This is Thursday Night Live!

With Bernie Chase and Hillary Rosanadana and the not ready for prime time moderators.

I am your announcer Don Pardo!

[snowy owl]

170. Bernie at his best right now!

[laruemtt]

171. New thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511737686