Hillary will never unite the 'Democrats". Period.

[7wo7rees]

She doesn't stand a chance.

This debate has been amazing. In some small degree.

Can't wait to hear from DU'ets in attendance.

Brooklynite comes to mind.......

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

1. Yep, some of us have principles. nt

[daleanime]

4. +1

[silvershadow]

59. And some of the smarter ones realize its about more than just the echo chamber of the

party line. Like, more than just Democrats vote, right?

[XemaSab]

86. "Echo chamber of the party line?"

I'd say it's more about the conflict between what dems have stood for for 80+ years (labor, universal voting rights, a government for the people and not private interests, etc.) versus the party "leadership" who has been bought by the selfsame people our values have traditionally opposed.

[roguevalley]

90. destroying bernie is first, unity is whenever.

[Baobab]

92. What she will do is "Untie" us.

from the two party system.

[hrmjustin]

2. You honestly think Sanders could at this point?

[daleanime]

10. More then Hillary, yes...

plus much more independents and even a few republicans.

[hrmjustin]

16. I don't.

[daleanime]

25. Yeah, I kind of figured that....

[Joe the Revelator]

15. He would bring the Indies

You can't win without them anyway, you need to have a candidate who brings them to the table and motivates them. Hillary does not do that.

[hrmjustin]

18. I don't see it happening.

[w4rma]

24. You can't believe your "lying" eyes.

Clinton is strongly disliked among independents. Sanders is beloved among independents. Yet you insist that Clinton should be beloved by independents?

[one_voice]

35. I agree you need independents

but you can't win without democrats either. And the way dems are being demonized.....

[Kittycat]

53. He's currently carrying polling higher among likely Dems

[Samantha]

83. There are a lot more registered Independents than there are Dems or GOP

Sanders has finally gotten to the point where the percentage of Dems supporting him has actually gone up substantially than in the beginning of the race. But he has always had a majority of the Independents and some Republicans supporting him.

Sam

[Legends303]

82. He hasn't raised a single

dollar for Senate Democrats and house members either. Yeah that's uniting the party.

[berniepdx420]

3. Never !!

[berniepdx420]

5. She will however unite the republican party

[Owl]

11. +1

[redstateblues]

14. Republicans do hate Hillary-they hate the prospect of a Socialist in the White House

even more. HRC will draw more Rs than Bernie would

[SoLeftIAmRight]

65. THIS

she is the only thing that can save the republican party

[Zira]

75. +1

[redstateblues]

6. blah blah blah Bernie or Bust

[daleanime]

23. If you say so,,,,

[Ed Suspicious]

7. She's living in fantasy land.

[tk2kewl]

8. She will drive me to the Working Families Party if she wins

[msongs]

9. hillary haters hated her before they ever heard of bernie and will continue to do so nt

[IdaBriggs]

20. Wrong. I learned to hate her during this campaign. nt

[Fawke Em]

81. It was the 2008 campaign for me.

I was an Obama supporter. Her race baiting made me puke.

[Xyzse]

93. I'm not there yet...

I'll still vote for her if she wins the primaries but donating, volunteering, putting out fires that her records and her lies cause by defending her is definitely out.

Sad to say it, but I will only help the local races and cannot donate to the DNC at that time.

Hell, her victory fund which is supposed to help state party elections, those that have signed up have yet to receive funds from it. Which makes it look like a slick operation designed to circumvent the donation cap rules.

Yes, I'm looking at those 4-6 figure price of admission dinners.

Tweeting about Sandy Hook though is such a despicable thing, that she crossed a line there...

Particularly as it looks like she approved the sales for Remington, for selling their arms around the world at that same year. https://medium.com/@JeanetteJing/secretary-clinton-approved-millions-in-global-sales-for-the-sandy-hook-gun-maker-9e8b0e78c58d#.qr3degnoy

I'm still trying to confirm this one... if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me.

In any case, the way she started the debate tonight, from the 9/11 reminder, and strong reminder of showing off strength through military might... it felt like she was running as a Republican. Scared me a bit. Not to mention the constant reference to self, seemingly feeling entitled to the position by virtue of who she is rather than what she would do for the people...

[7wo7rees]

27. Oh please. That is so old. Anything else?

[840high]

60. Trust me - not from that poster.

[BillZBubb]

30. It really has nothing to do with Bernie, he's just a much better alternative.

Hillary earned every Democratic opponent she has on her own. The IWR vote, the bankruptcy bill, DOMA, pimping for "free" trade agreements, taking millions from the enemies of working people and pretending to care about their welfare. Welfare "reform". Crime bill, super-predators, prisons, prisons, prisons. Libya and Honduras. Ending Glass-Steagall. No we can't mantra. Kissinger, Kagan and Brock. Race baiting and using race to divide. Hawkish, neocon foreign policy.

She's a money grubber and amoral. But you can vote for her.

[7wo7rees]

41. Tks. You said it all. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

12. I don't vote for republicans, even if they carry a d next to their name.

It just won't happen.

[redstateblues]

17. c'mon Joe that's bullshit and you know it

Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress. She is no Republican

[Joe the Revelator]

22. I really disagree on this point.

She may have voted with the bloc, but when it comes down to it, I find it hard to call her a democrat, at least in the way I expect the democratic party to behave:

*The Goldman Sachs stuff is obvious
* The Iraq war vote and her continued hawkishness
* Her inability to push for single payer healthcare
*Her desire to continue the drug war, espessially on marijuana.
* Trade. Trade. Trade
* Keystone


Just to name a few.

[redstateblues]

34. proof of quid pro quo for Goldman Saks? Still waiting

Bernie wouldn't push for single payer in NH-too expensive. On and on. Hillary is a solid progressive Democrat-she doesn't pass Sanders' Purity Party test but to say she is a Republican is an unfounded smear. Saying she is more akin to Cruz et all is bullshit and you know it. You're credibility is very strained at this point. I am a solid lifelong Democrat-so am I a Republican just because I think Hillary will be a better President? C'mon man. I think you are probably so upset that our Braves are so awful this year.

[Bobbie Jo]

89. Bernie couldn't answer that one either. nt

[BillZBubb]

31. Totally wrong.

She's a Rockefeller republican. Times have changed, but ideologically that's where she is. She is somewhat liberal on social issues, but a corporate rightist on the economy and neocon rightist on foreign policy.

[redstateblues]

45. Ask Republicans that hate her. To say she is a Republican is a smear

Corporate rightist? WTF is a rightist? You think she is akin to Cruz? Just because she doesn't pass your Bernie's Purity Party test she is not a Democrat? Is Bernie's support for gun manufacturers progressive? That sounds very right wing to me.

[BillZBubb]

55. Read what I wrote. She is an old school Rockefeller republican, not the current crop.

republicans hate her because she is not a "pure" conservative in their eyes. They have gone to the extreme right. That's why there are no Rockefeller republicans remaining in that party. They "hated" them right out of the party.

The so-called "New Democrats" were started (with Hillary among them) to move the Democratic party from the New Dealism of FDR to the more corporate friendly but socially moderate Rockefeller republicanism. They have been very successful. Hillary's rise is proof of that.

Here's what a rightist is:
Rightist : supportive of the political views or policies of the right.

Of course she isn't like cruz on social issues. But on foreign policy she's a neocon. And on economics, she's a corporate loving Rockefeller republican.

[SheenaR]

46. Top 20% doesn't make her "one of the most liberal"

Being #1 does though

[redstateblues]

85. that doesn't make her a fucking Republican.

[SheenaR]

87. Cool story.

Take it up with someone who said she was one.

[pangaia]

80. If true that sure says a lot about the Democrats in Congress

[itsrobert]

13. Ahh, the stages of Grief

I see.

[840high]

61. No grief here. I'm quite

happy tonight.

[7wo7rees]

19. I am floored with the immediate response. Wow. nt

[Dem2]

21. That's one person's glum opinion

I disagree.

[DebWessells]

26. Bernie doesn't stand a chance

I don't know what people are thinking but age in this particular example running for President matters! For one he too old for this stressful job! He talks about free education but nothing is free! The taxpayers will pay for it! He had big ideas that are way unrealistic! He is too radical saying breaking up banks and I could go on and on! Because she is a woman the press plays too hard on her! Women if they believe in equal rights should vote for her alone on this! If we elect Bernie, Trump wins!

[7wo7rees]

29. Of course he doesn't debwessells

Of course not. How much are you being paid? Per post?

Do please, go on.....

He be to old, 72, she be young enough, 68. Makes sense to me in your broken English post. take care

[BillZBubb]

42. It was sarcasm (I hope).

[7wo7rees]

48. I am afraid not. But we shall see......

[7wo7rees]

50. Member since April 14, 2016. Come to your own conclusions.

[pinebox]

33. lmao so about that free education

but I suppose your pro trillion dollar US aircraft carrier aren't you?
Screw the people, we need new carriers!
Too radical? Ya sure, it's an incredible radical idea to educate the masses for free isn't it? I mean my God, let's make everybody poor and not educate them!
Do you even realize how much you sound like Ron Paul? My guess is no.

[BillZBubb]

37. Excellent first post Deb! I love great sarcasm. You hit every silly Clintonian meme.

Well done!

[djean111]

39. Oh, wait, was that sarcasm? because I read that crap from Hillary supporters all the time. n/t

[BillZBubb]

47. Had to be sarcasm. Mocking Hillbots is easy.

[djean111]

38. I think it is just so fucking adorable that you joined just to enlighten us! Thank you!

There is not even a glimmer of a valid (or original) thought in your entire post - well done, that! Sounds like Sarah Palin helped you with that. Same sort of disjointed illogical meme scramble.

And, well, parting is such sweet sorrow....wait, it is kinda fun - 'bye!

[840high]

63. I don't vote with my female parts.

[litlbilly]

66. wow, cant wait for your second post. I bet it will be as dumb as this one.

[Zira]

77. Congrats! 1st post and you land on my ignore.

[Old Codger]

91. My My My

Aren't you "special" please continue to enlighten us with your wisdom...

[glinda]

28. How can she because of how she stands.

[EndElectoral]

32. Just can't see it happening. The attack and swiftboating in GE will make this look like a cakewalk

[anotherproletariat]

36. Luckily, most of Sanders supporters are not Democrats. I think Sanders has brought new voters into

the picture, but they are not people who generally considered themselves Democrats.

[BillZBubb]

40. And you know this how?

Most DU'ers are Democrats and the Hillary supporters here always whine this site it very tilted to Bernie.

Sanders is bringing in new voters to the party because the young understand the need for change. They could become life-long Democrats unless the party old timers stick with the corporatist status quo.

[840high]

67. I have been a democrat since

since my first vote - JFK.

[Tarc]

43. When Sanders concedes, they will BOTH unite the Democrats

Trust me, just like they did in 2008, the Bitter Betties fade once the election is over

[BillZBubb]

57. We'll see.

Maybe, if Hillary is the nominee, she can unite the party under the theme of "OK I suck, but that republican will destroy America!" Maybe she can win the independent vote that way as well.

[timlot]

44. When Bernie goes around the country stumping for Hillary Clinton things will change...

it always does.

[Fawke Em]

84. He won't. You know that, right?

[HooptieWagon]

49. She's the most corrupt POTUS candidate I've ever seen.

She lies constantly, is a war-mongerer, and more RW than Richard Nixon. A lot of traditional Democrats have a problem with that.

[840high]

72. I did not like Nixon but

I realy, really dislike Hillary.

[CoffeeCat]

51. She won't unite us

and she lacks the ability to appeal to Independents and Republicans hate her.

The Democratic Party is in for a horrendously rude awakening. The party is in tatters (worse than the Republican party) and they are in complete denial.

Their hubris and their lack of empathy and wisdom prevents them from facing reality. They think we're all just going to hold hands and sing kumbaya--and we'll unite like other years.

This is not "other years." Not at all.

I've been a Democrat my entire life. I've voted for every Dem president from Carter to Obama--and I've volunteered for many Democratic presidential candidates.

I am very close to becoming an Independent, after I am through acting as a delegate for Bernie.

I never EVER considered that possibility until this primary.

Huge, humbling and sober loss for me if I do make that decision.

[underthematrix]

56. I hate Bernie Sanders with the heat of a trillion suns but there's no way I would

vote for a Republican for anything. To me, the GOP is a terrorist organization. We need to keep the WHITE HOUSE and we need to get the House and Senate back. We need to increase our govships and number of DEM controlled state houses.

Bernie gets my vote if he's the Dem nominee. I may hate him but there's no way in hell I would screw myself and humanity by voting for a Republican.

[CoffeeCat]

58. Just to be clear, I didn't say that I would vote for a Republian

I really do not know what I would do.

No clue! I won't vote for a Republican though.

Very sad for me, as the Democratic party has been a huge part of my life and my identity since my first donation to them when i was ten years old.

[underthematrix]

64. getting in my feels is not an option. I'm voting

BLUE no matter what. I won't stay home and I won't vote Republican.

This election is literally everything.

[SwampG8r]

94. Why do you hate him?

[Jitter65]

52. Bernie has taken care of that. nt

[dchill]

54. Hillary has succeeded in one thing:

She has split the Democratic Party right down the middle. Congrats!

[jillan]

62. IF Bernie is not the nominee I will vote AGAINST the Republican. I will not phonebank for her,

or donate to her.

I will drag my ass to the polling place and vote against the republican.

[Ino]

68. She doesn't care if you like her...

only that you vote for her.

[jillan]

73. She has done everything to make that perfectly clear.

[Logical]

69. You and me both! Getting drunk and taking a cab to polls! Nt

[litlbilly]

71. all I have to do is drag my ass to the mail box, still cant vote for her.

[november3rd]

70. The Main Issue

This election is about getting money out of politics. If we do it, we will be able to have a democracy with a functioning public sector and a thriving middle class.

If we don't, we become Colombia.

Bernie is the only candidate in either party who gets it.

[840high]

74. .that^

[polichick]

76. She might unite what's left after more and more people leave the party.

[Zira]

78. I will be part of the exodus if she is the chosen on.

I'm only still a Dem because of Bernie.

[Fawke Em]

79. Hard to unite behind her when you consider her just as bad as the Republicans.

Which, unfortunately, she is.

On the issue important to me, she sides with the GOP more often than not. Hell, she even put choice on the table.

[redstateblues]

88. Ridiculous smear. If you think she is like Cruz et al

you might as well vote for Trump because you are blinded by Hillary hate