2016 Postmortem
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(72,790 posts)glinda
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msongs
(67,421 posts)SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and theres deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. [ ] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
Primaries are good to realign and redirect candidates, to share new ideas and to promote the Democratic message.
They also act to energize the base.
Giving someone an unchallenged primary is extremely damaging and anyone who thinks that is OK is just plain stupid!
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polichick
(37,152 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)He explained EXACTLY how most progressives felt after 3+ years of Obama.
aikoaiko
(34,174 posts)Bernie understood what that meant.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)With what Bernie said there.
I have great respect for President Obama and what he has accomplished. But there are certainly some issue where I wish the President would have pushed harder for.
Perhaps one day he will write a memoir explaining his reasoning for the lack of a full court press on some issue (like holding Wall Street accountable for their actions) and I will understand better why he took the paths he did but if and until then I can only scratch my head in bewilderment concerning some of his choices....
PatrickforO
(14,582 posts)that's supposed to make Bernie look bad.
Because to me, Bernie doesn't look bad. And this quote is not bad. It is true.
For instance, how can you justify the Dems not pushing through Medicare for all Americans back in 09? There was popular support for that and they could have. Instead, we got a Heritage Foundation welfare program for the health insurance industry and big pharma.
And we had continued drone warfare, and continued increases in military spending. Did you know the US right now is fighting or participating in over 150 armed conflicts around the world? Big money in that.
And we had the largest most unprecedented buildup of a domestic spying apparatus since Levrentiy Beria built the KGB.
Let's not forget the continued 'war on drugs' with NO efforts to demilitarize police departments.
DOJ didn't prosecute ONE of the Wall Street thieves who brought our economy to collapse and ruined millions of lives.
But you know what TAKES THE CAKE? The TPP. Negotiated in SECRET. Provisions that kill democracy in favor of profits. A huge job killer. And then 'fast track' rammed down our throats over the opposition of most thinking Democrats.
So don't tell me Obama didn't deserve pressure from the left. It is true that lots of the stuff he has put in place has been good policy-wise, and equally true that he's faced downright treason from the racist GOP who has tried to de-legitimize everything about his presidency. But Fox and hate-talk radio aside, Obama has been to the right of Eisenhower in his governance.
THIS is why, msongs, Bernie has millions upon millions of supporters - people like me who are tired of voting for the Dem only because they suck incrementally less than the Republican. Voting in Dems who are socially liberal but are at heart pro Wall Street and MIC and give away our tax money to the MIC and Wall Street instead of doing stuff that actually helps us.
I'm tired of Third Way. We need another New Deal.
So don't expect my knees to get all wobbly when you bring up Bernie's quote about pressuring Obama from the left, because I'm right with him on that one.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)hanging out at Richie's house.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... and his Presidency.
Did he do that?
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)OH WAIT
That was what Hillary claimed before Sanders mounted a threat to her coronation.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Hillary will build on Obama's success.
Bernie would toss those successes aside in a "revolution".
Your response supports my argument.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Hers is to remain as the status quo.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And I am surprised more Bernie supporters have not told you so.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Maybe try and pay attention, mkay?
jillan
(39,451 posts)I find it interesting that a lot of what Obama campaigned on are the same issues that Bernie campaigns on....
Against the IWR
Medicare for all
An inspirational vision for a better future. YES WE CAN!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)actually changed his position on to no drilling.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Why is he constantly attacking other Dems?
jillan
(39,451 posts)It's simple.
Bernie has made it clear that it doesn't matter which one of them wins in November because change cannot take place unless people stand up and demand it. That means making phone calls to our representatives, letting our voices be heard AND voting in the midterms for progressive candidates up and down the ticket.
He is telling the people the next President will need them to fight back against the repugs who block everything.
It's not even about HIM, it's about Hillary as well. If Hillary wins, I hope she will engage this line of thinking.
That's why his rallies are so big. People WANT a voice in government, Bernie tells voters he needs them to stay involved long after the election.
PatrickforO
(14,582 posts)A long time ago, Americans in general abrogated their responsibilities as citizens of this republic.
We cannot simply elect the least sucky candidate and then stand back and expect them to do miracles. It is our responsibility as citizens to 1) keep informed on the issues, 2) think things through and not fall prey to stupid slogans or other propaganda, and 3) to be active and engaged politically.
THAT, you know FULL WELL Joe, is the 'revolution' that Bernie is calling for - for the people to actually stand up and say, "hey, we want our government to do stuff that helps us instead of robbing our tax dollars and giving them to the MIC and Wall Street." But it will take a movement, much like the civil rights movement, to take our government back from the oligarchs.
Bernie and Obama like and respect one another.
Bernie's revolution will be aimed at the corporatocracy and the 1%. Obama is neither of those.
I don't know where you get such half-baked ideas.
jillan
(39,451 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Now I'm wondering if she's hoping Obama will protect her from the FBI.