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Hillary Clinton Debate Word Cloud... (Original Post) GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 OP
Don't Forget noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #1
Bwah bigwillq Apr 2016 #2
Don't forget the glinda Apr 2016 #3
bernie word cloud: obama should be PRIMARIED. msongs Apr 2016 #4
I see this posted every once in a while and it is the dumbest, I mean dumbest complaint! TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #12
I thought he should be primaried too and I worked my butt off to get him elected. polichick Apr 2016 #16
If i recall correctly you do nothing but criticize Obama. I am surprised this bothers you. nt m-lekktor Apr 2016 #21
And what do you disagree with that he said? mhatrw Apr 2016 #24
Thank you for showing Berbie's awesomeness. Obama said he needed the people to hold him accountable aikoaiko Apr 2016 #26
I can't disagree deathrind Apr 2016 #29
You know, I cannot understand why people wear this quote like some kind of badge PatrickforO Apr 2016 #30
LOL FourScore Apr 2016 #5
I don't see 9/11 in there.....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #6
It jumped the shark in its shorts and black leather jacket and is now Fawke Em Apr 2016 #7
Bernie's revolution has to crush Obama ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #8
Bernie is not running as Obama's third term... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #10
That's my biggest issue with her: I can't believe anything she says. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #13
That video is great, and does not help you in the least. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #14
Wrong. The whole premise of Bernie's campaign it to build onto successes. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #17
That's nonsense. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #18
He says it all the time. frylock Apr 2016 #28
I don't agree with that at all!! I think Bernie wants to take Obama's Presidency to the next level. jillan Apr 2016 #11
Can you point to Bernie saying he wants to BUILD on Obama's succeses? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #15
He supports Obama on EVERYTHING except the TPP & drilling in the Artic - which I think (?) Obama jillan Apr 2016 #19
Then why does he say we need a revolution? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #20
At this stage of the game you still don't understand what the revolution is about? Let's talk. jillan Apr 2016 #22
C'mon, Joe, you know quite well what Bernie is getting at. PatrickforO Apr 2016 #32
Nonsense. senz Apr 2016 #25
Except on foreign policy! She is so much further to the right than Obama. jillan Apr 2016 #9
LOL azmom Apr 2016 #23
I used to think she did it to appeal to Democrats and AAs. senz Apr 2016 #27
She seemed to be either hiding behind Obama or throwing him under the bus jfern Apr 2016 #31

glinda

(14,807 posts)
3. Don't forget the
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

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msongs

(67,421 posts)
4. bernie word cloud: obama should be PRIMARIED.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
12. I see this posted every once in a while and it is the dumbest, I mean dumbest complaint!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

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Primaries are good to realign and redirect candidates, to share new ideas and to promote the Democratic message.


They also act to energize the base.



Giving someone an unchallenged primary is extremely damaging and anyone who thinks that is OK is just plain stupid!


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mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
24. And what do you disagree with that he said?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:04 AM
Apr 2016

He explained EXACTLY how most progressives felt after 3+ years of Obama.

aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
26. Thank you for showing Berbie's awesomeness. Obama said he needed the people to hold him accountable
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:09 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie understood what that meant.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
29. I can't disagree
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

With what Bernie said there.

I have great respect for President Obama and what he has accomplished. But there are certainly some issue where I wish the President would have pushed harder for.

Perhaps one day he will write a memoir explaining his reasoning for the lack of a full court press on some issue (like holding Wall Street accountable for their actions) and I will understand better why he took the paths he did but if and until then I can only scratch my head in bewilderment concerning some of his choices....

PatrickforO

(14,582 posts)
30. You know, I cannot understand why people wear this quote like some kind of badge
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:32 AM
Apr 2016

that's supposed to make Bernie look bad.

Because to me, Bernie doesn't look bad. And this quote is not bad. It is true.

For instance, how can you justify the Dems not pushing through Medicare for all Americans back in 09? There was popular support for that and they could have. Instead, we got a Heritage Foundation welfare program for the health insurance industry and big pharma.

And we had continued drone warfare, and continued increases in military spending. Did you know the US right now is fighting or participating in over 150 armed conflicts around the world? Big money in that.

And we had the largest most unprecedented buildup of a domestic spying apparatus since Levrentiy Beria built the KGB.

Let's not forget the continued 'war on drugs' with NO efforts to demilitarize police departments.

DOJ didn't prosecute ONE of the Wall Street thieves who brought our economy to collapse and ruined millions of lives.

But you know what TAKES THE CAKE? The TPP. Negotiated in SECRET. Provisions that kill democracy in favor of profits. A huge job killer. And then 'fast track' rammed down our throats over the opposition of most thinking Democrats.

So don't tell me Obama didn't deserve pressure from the left. It is true that lots of the stuff he has put in place has been good policy-wise, and equally true that he's faced downright treason from the racist GOP who has tried to de-legitimize everything about his presidency. But Fox and hate-talk radio aside, Obama has been to the right of Eisenhower in his governance.

THIS is why, msongs, Bernie has millions upon millions of supporters - people like me who are tired of voting for the Dem only because they suck incrementally less than the Republican. Voting in Dems who are socially liberal but are at heart pro Wall Street and MIC and give away our tax money to the MIC and Wall Street instead of doing stuff that actually helps us.

I'm tired of Third Way. We need another New Deal.

So don't expect my knees to get all wobbly when you bring up Bernie's quote about pressuring Obama from the left, because I'm right with him on that one.



Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. It jumped the shark in its shorts and black leather jacket and is now
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

hanging out at Richie's house.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
10. Bernie is not running as Obama's third term...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

OH WAIT



That was what Hillary claimed before Sanders mounted a threat to her coronation.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
14. That video is great, and does not help you in the least.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary will build on Obama's success.

Bernie would toss those successes aside in a "revolution".

Your response supports my argument.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
17. Wrong. The whole premise of Bernie's campaign it to build onto successes.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:50 PM
Apr 2016

Hers is to remain as the status quo.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
11. I don't agree with that at all!! I think Bernie wants to take Obama's Presidency to the next level.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

I find it interesting that a lot of what Obama campaigned on are the same issues that Bernie campaigns on....

Against the IWR
Medicare for all
An inspirational vision for a better future. YES WE CAN!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
19. He supports Obama on EVERYTHING except the TPP & drilling in the Artic - which I think (?) Obama
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

actually changed his position on to no drilling.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
22. At this stage of the game you still don't understand what the revolution is about? Let's talk.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

It's simple.

Bernie has made it clear that it doesn't matter which one of them wins in November because change cannot take place unless people stand up and demand it. That means making phone calls to our representatives, letting our voices be heard AND voting in the midterms for progressive candidates up and down the ticket.

He is telling the people the next President will need them to fight back against the repugs who block everything.

It's not even about HIM, it's about Hillary as well. If Hillary wins, I hope she will engage this line of thinking.

That's why his rallies are so big. People WANT a voice in government, Bernie tells voters he needs them to stay involved long after the election.

PatrickforO

(14,582 posts)
32. C'mon, Joe, you know quite well what Bernie is getting at.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:41 AM
Apr 2016

A long time ago, Americans in general abrogated their responsibilities as citizens of this republic.

We cannot simply elect the least sucky candidate and then stand back and expect them to do miracles. It is our responsibility as citizens to 1) keep informed on the issues, 2) think things through and not fall prey to stupid slogans or other propaganda, and 3) to be active and engaged politically.

THAT, you know FULL WELL Joe, is the 'revolution' that Bernie is calling for - for the people to actually stand up and say, "hey, we want our government to do stuff that helps us instead of robbing our tax dollars and giving them to the MIC and Wall Street." But it will take a movement, much like the civil rights movement, to take our government back from the oligarchs.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
25. Nonsense.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:08 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie and Obama like and respect one another.

Bernie's revolution will be aimed at the corporatocracy and the 1%. Obama is neither of those.

I don't know where you get such half-baked ideas.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
27. I used to think she did it to appeal to Democrats and AAs.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

Now I'm wondering if she's hoping Obama will protect her from the FBI.

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