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Well now we know why Hillary was trying to duck this debate... (Original Post) Lone_Wolf Apr 2016 OP
Debate recap from last night. (From Twitter ...) ebayfool Apr 2016 #1
LOL Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #2
Check this Daily News article out- She is stil defending the Honduras coup! Baobab Apr 2016 #100
Arrrrrrgh! Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #108
Almost the first thing MuseRider Apr 2016 #3
A work of art! pdsimdars Apr 2016 #13
ROFL!! OMG that is so funny! ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #17
That's great! bvf Apr 2016 #23
The Tumblrina "Progressive" Attack Squad? VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #62
Wouldn't be at all surprised. After seeing someone say calling her "chicken" was sexist ... ebayfool Apr 2016 #107
OMG.... Punkingal Apr 2016 #27
LOL!!!! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #48
The next frame should read ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #51
'Twas funny! ebayfool Apr 2016 #63
awesome! boomer55 Apr 2016 #54
That is a cute and funny cartoon regardless of one's favored candidate. eom. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #65
Literally laughing out loud!! That is perfect. jillan Apr 2016 #86
Absolutely beautiful! smiley Apr 2016 #95
+100 to the power of 10 times a factor of 1000 to the power of 100000. Karma13612 Apr 2016 #98
LOL! CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #101
Sanders is a weak debater and did poorly last night Gothmog Apr 2016 #4
Hillary is a bald faced liar and did it very publicly last night. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #5
She will say anything to get elected XemaSab Apr 2016 #16
Someone should explain to Hillary that Video is forever. bvar22 Apr 2016 #97
Telling was that the audience started off loving her, from their cheers. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #31
the more you know her the less you like her. boomer55 Apr 2016 #55
The more you hear CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #102
Amen and Amen !!! pdsimdars Apr 2016 #57
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #91
Ya she is so awesome she called out Wall Street! lol pinebox Apr 2016 #33
Exactly. At least a couple times he couldn't answer and reverted to his worn out R B Garr Apr 2016 #47
I, intentionally, avoid watching the debate and all the news shows. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #52
Secretary Clinton, you didn't answer the question. frylock Apr 2016 #69
Did Sanders answer any questions? Gothmog Apr 2016 #72
Yeah, he did. frylock Apr 2016 #73
"she was outright laughed at" SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #90
she edged him out sorry eom. artyteacher Apr 2016 #6
Poor Camp Pinocchio itsrobert Apr 2016 #7
Camp pinocchio LOL Cosmic Kitten Apr 2016 #11
Camp Pinocchio: Gipetto's Shame Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #14
Nancy will BURN IN HELL for what she did and didn't do. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #37
In fairness merrily Apr 2016 #77
Don't look to DU for evidence of who "won." Orsino Apr 2016 #21
Correct nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #30
Unfortunately for Camp Baghdad Bob there is a transcript. His answer was GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #41
His point, which you seem to miss, was that her lack of doing anything was the proof Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #42
UBS Kittycat Apr 2016 #59
When you get booed and laughed at multiple times... Lone_Wolf Apr 2016 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #9
People need not to forget how aggressively the MSM spins this. Baobab Apr 2016 #25
That would be one way for Obama to torpedo the Democratic Party in the midst of an election campaign Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #38
I know it's me, but I can't stand the yelling house-wives shows HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #10
Not just you... it was very shrill and screechy to my ears Cosmic Kitten Apr 2016 #12
And she won't STFU. She can't help talking on and on and talking over Bernie. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #15
Read what she had to say about $15 an hour XemaSab Apr 2016 #19
Here's part of the exchange with bonus booing for Clinton XemaSab Apr 2016 #20
Extra points awarded for the bonus booing yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #50
She was pretty bad there. He exposed her trying to take two positions Lone_Wolf Apr 2016 #56
Wow. That strategy of hers to just crank her voice up to ear splitting decibels bjo59 Apr 2016 #106
Try supplementing with n-acetyl-cysteine Baobab Apr 2016 #28
^good advice . i take both, not for any particular problem , just maintenance lunasun Apr 2016 #104
Sanders whined, Clinton got the debate done. No rewriting history. seabeyond Apr 2016 #18
Excuse me, he "whined"?? Care to post a clip of that, my friend? JudyM Apr 2016 #22
He whined and whined about a NY debate. But did nor accomplished a damn thing. Clinton got it done seabeyond Apr 2016 #24
He "whined"? Still waiting for a clip... to corroborate that loaded characterization. JudyM Apr 2016 #29
And whined and whined. Then bulked and whined some more when Clinton got it done. seabeyond Apr 2016 #32
... Still waiting for "whining" evidence... JudyM Apr 2016 #34
And whined some more... seabeyond Apr 2016 #35
Ridiculous, as suspected; an empty character smear. With antisemitic overtones. JudyM Apr 2016 #36
You sexist... Lol. Omg, Antisemitic? You gotta share how. Too fuckin funny. seabeyond Apr 2016 #39
Do you really not understand the Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #43
Nuh uh. I do not watch the South Park shit. So, Sanders can never whine? seabeyond Apr 2016 #44
It's a common stereotype. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #49
Never heard it. How about Faux outrage? How about false accusation? How about fabricated seabeyond Apr 2016 #61
Faux Outrage - False Accusations - Fabricated Attacks noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #103
Yeah, I'm a sexist lesbian, like all of us. You've said all that's needed to refute your credibility JudyM Apr 2016 #45
It was an out of the ball park, obvious tease... Hence me saying it. There was NOTHING about sexism seabeyond Apr 2016 #46
what in heaven's name are you talking about? Karma13612 Apr 2016 #99
Did Hillary whine about the NH and Flint, MI debates? frylock Apr 2016 #70
No. She got those done too. First Sanders blustered and Clinton got them done. Her and OMalley. seabeyond Apr 2016 #75
So Hillary makes demands, and Sanders acquiesces.. frylock Apr 2016 #85
Clinton gets things done. Sanders whines. seabeyond Apr 2016 #89
Sure. Whatever you say, sport. frylock Apr 2016 #92
Fact. seabeyond Apr 2016 #93
She gets things done. frylock Apr 2016 #94
Or a do nothing sitting in congress 25 yrs as the .... establishment. Lol. seabeyond Apr 2016 #96
And the Iraq war elehhhhna Apr 2016 #105
I really don't like helping Repukes get things done eridani Apr 2016 #109
The poster makes things up and refuses to defend. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #64
Yep. Transparently vacuous. JudyM Apr 2016 #82
Hillary Clinton was booed at times, Bernie Sanders was not booed. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #66
Sanders people are rude and obnoxious. Clintons people are polite and civil. So? seabeyond Apr 2016 #67
You call yourself polite and civil? eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #68
Yes. But bragging about Booing something isn't like... civil. Lol. seabeyond Apr 2016 #76
Who bragged? I typed straight fact. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #78
Um... You have disproved that right here. JudyM Apr 2016 #83
I said that with extreme civility. ;) seabeyond Apr 2016 #88
She lied about everything. tabasco Apr 2016 #26
^this ^ Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #40
He needed a gamechanger result. cwydro Apr 2016 #53
Yes, he did BuddhaGirl Apr 2016 #60
and her screeching over him, going WELL over her time, dana_b Apr 2016 #74
You should try thinking for yourself instead of parroting. arcane1 Apr 2016 #80
Aww what a surprise BuddhaGirl Apr 2016 #84
She was a wreck. azmom Apr 2016 #71
+1 happynewyear Apr 2016 #81
YOU KNOW NOTHING. You can't read her mind. trueblue2007 Apr 2016 #79
Sanders tied, at best. And a tie always goes to the front runner. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #87
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
23. That's great!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

Certain to be alerted by some fool who will insist it promotes violence against women.

If what's been alerted on around here recently is any gauge, I'm sure it's being considered.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
107. Wouldn't be at all surprised. After seeing someone say calling her "chicken" was sexist ...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

I figure name, rank, and serial number would call forth bitter acrimony and retribution anymore!

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
101. LOL!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:38 PM
Apr 2016

That's hilarious.

Although I'd say that he was 'on fire' last night. ...the good kind of 'on fire'.

She was a howler monkey on acid.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
5. Hillary is a bald faced liar and did it very publicly last night.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

She also got called out on it and that was a thing of beauty to watch.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
16. She will say anything to get elected
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

"I've always fought for a $15 an hour minimum wage! In a few particularly expensive markets where the city council approved it!"

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
31. Telling was that the audience started off loving her, from their cheers.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

.
But as the night wore on there were fewer and fewer cheers of adoration and more and more boos or muted signs of praise.

That trajectory was telling.

R B Garr

(16,955 posts)
47. Exactly. At least a couple times he couldn't answer and reverted to his worn out
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

smears as a crutch to bungle through. He should have been asked those basic vetting questions months ago.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
73. Yeah, he did.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

How many times after yet another Gish Gallop did Wolfie have to remind Mrs Clinton that she did not answer the question? I lost count.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
7. Poor Camp Pinocchio
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

Can't even admit Bernie lost badly. Paraphrase: Mod, "can you name any legislation that Hillary sold out for?." Bernie, "um, um, wallstreet, big banks, um, did I say wallstreet, big banks, big banks, big banks, big banks, um, um,um, I need a reboot."

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
37. Nancy will BURN IN HELL for what she did and didn't do.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton: shame on her for praising that record. Shame on her for apologising by two flimsy twitter lines. Shame on her for still not getting it right on the second try:

"The Reagans didn't start the national conversation on AIDS. That distinction belongs to someone else" - NO you spiteful lier! That distinction should never have been given to someone who did everything to deadpan the national conversation that was direly needed. That distinction couldn't have been given to a more unworthy woman than the one who advised Ronnie to just "let the gay cancer work its magic".

You are clueless, you clearly don't give a rat's behind about gay people, and you don't deserve to get anywhere near the white house, or any position of power. Ever again.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
77. In fairness
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

her "correction" was wrong as well. The Reagans were not on the forefront of stem cell or Alzheimer's research, either. They opposed it until after they announced Ronnie's diagnosis.

Now getting both those things wrong, when one is a "corrected" version, is pretty jawdropping.

For at least some of that time, she was First Lady of Arkansas. Why was she so oblivious? What was her state doing or trying to do with the feds about AIDS that she would be that far wrong?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
21. Don't look to DU for evidence of who "won."
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

Minds aren't going to be changed here. Supporters of either camp are going to claim their candidate dominated, whether or not they actually watched.

Polls will tell us something about who actually moved the needle.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
58. Correct
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

and in my mind neither scored knockout punches, but both scored punches. Both were testy and it was likely the best debate so far. Wait, I missed my cue. I was supposed to take sides, right?

Oopsie.

Response to itsrobert (Reply #7)

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
41. Unfortunately for Camp Baghdad Bob there is a transcript. His answer was
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016
SANDERS: Sure. Sure. The obvious decision is when the greed and recklessness and illegal behavior of wall street brought this country into the worst economic downturn since the Great Recession -- the Great Depression of the '30s, when millions of people lost their jobs, and their homes, and their life savings, the obvious response to that is that you've got a bunch of fraudulent operators and that they have got to be broken up.

That was my view way back, and I introduced legislation to do that. Now, Secretary Clinton was busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs for $225,000 a speech.

(APPLAUSE)
...
Secretary Clinton called them out. Oh my goodness, they must have been really crushed by this. And was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements? So they must have been very, very upset by what you did.
Look, here is the difference and here is the clear difference. These banks, in my view, have too much power. They have shown themselves to be fraudulent organizations endangering the well-being of our economy.
If elected president, I will break them up. We have got legislation to do that.


Conflict of interest is when you take money or other favors as a politician in return for NOT doing anything as Sanders correctly pointed out.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
42. His point, which you seem to miss, was that her lack of doing anything was the proof
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

One does not need to pass legislation to be in the pocket of Wall Street. One could NOT pass legislation that should be passed. Which was the point he was making. Sorry that was too hard for you to process.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
59. UBS
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/30/hillary-clinton-ubs-tax-evasion-settlement-foundation

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/272396-the-clintons-and-the-sordid-ubs-affair

The story, as originally recounted by James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus of The Wall Street Journal, was, of itself, deeply troubling. In March 2009, after meeting with Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton intervened with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) on behalf of Switzerland's most powerful banking institution, UBS. The IRS, which at that time was seeking the identity of wealthy Americans who had stashed some $20 billion in 52,000 tax evading UBS accounts, then agreed that the Swiss bank need only turn over information on 4,450 accounts. Afterwards, UBS increased its previous $60,000 in donations to the Clinton Foundation ten-fold. By the end of 2014, UBS donations to the Clinton Foundation totaled $600,000. UBS also "paid former President Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House."

Those facts, of themselves, raise disturbing questions. Did a bank that still ranks as "the world's biggest wealth manager" and has at its disposal a bevy of economists and law firms have a legitimate reason for paying Bill Clinton $1.5 million in speaking fees? Or was the $1.5 million and the tenfold increase in Clinton Foundation donations a reward for the former secretary of State's intervention? If the latter, that reward would have, under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 201(c)(1)(A)), amounted to an illicit bribe.

-snip-

In exchange for the "deferred prosecution" of criminal fraud charges, UBS paid $780 million in fines and restitution, agreed to cease the illegal cross-border practice and "to immediately provide the United States government with the identities of, and account information for, certain United States customers of UBS's cross-border business," according to the DoJ press release.

When UBS, which could have lost its ability to conduct business in the U.S. if successfully prosecuted, balked at the IRS demand that it turn over information for all 52,000 accounts, the IRS filed a legal action seeking to compel disclosure. That is when, at the behest of the Swiss government, Hillary Clinton stepped in to negotiate a deal that prevented the IRS from gaining access to more than 91 percent of the illicit, tax-evading offshore accounts.

Lone_Wolf

(1,603 posts)
8. When you get booed and laughed at multiple times...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

Those are usually a telltale sign that you are losing. Sanders, on the other hand, got a standing ovation. That usually means you did well.


Trust me... She knows she lost.

Response to Lone_Wolf (Reply #8)

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
25. People need not to forget how aggressively the MSM spins this.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

They do this all the time.


Also, defeating Hillary is only the first of several battles. The issues could be lost before the election making a Sanders win less of a victory than it would seem.

One thing that the right wing house and Obama will likely do then is pass and sign TPP during lame duck session. Also, WTO may make a decision that is pending which would be a disaster for US working professionals and even low and medium skill workers.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
38. That would be one way for Obama to torpedo the Democratic Party in the midst of an election campaign
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016

I seriously doubt he would be that callous - or that selfish.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. I know it's me, but I can't stand the yelling house-wives shows
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

and HRCs audio while debating is similarly unbearable for me. I'm pretty sure it's due to my personal sensitivity triggering on audio ques of anxiety and stress. I got through the introductory remarks last night and then had to go find something else to do.

Yet, I can read what she says just fine. I'm expecting to be able to read the highlights of both Sanders and Clinton later today and hope DUers post transcripts of segments they think worthy.




XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
19. Read what she had to say about $15 an hour
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

She got her ass handed to her on that one.

Start at the point where Blitzer says, "You stood on the stage with Governor Cuomo in support of new legislation to raise New York's minimum wage to $15 an hour. But you do not support raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/14/the-brooklyn-democratic-debate-transcript-annotated/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_transcript-830a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
106. Wow. That strategy of hers to just crank her voice up to ear splitting decibels
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

and then just steamroller over everyone is so ugly. How does she get away with it? And there's Wolf telling them not to yell over each other when she interrupted Bernie with a scream fest and Bernie was standing there going "uh, Wolf? Wolf. Wolf!" to try and get that simpering CNN idiot to do his damn job.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
28. Try supplementing with n-acetyl-cysteine
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

You may have low glutathione.

NAC is really good for preserving hearing in older people. Also alpha-lipoic acid.

Everybody should do this.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. He whined and whined about a NY debate. But did nor accomplished a damn thing. Clinton got it done
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
29. He "whined"? Still waiting for a clip... to corroborate that loaded characterization.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

Let's not forget when she was up against Obama there were triple this number of debates. And that, were it not for Hillary's requesting a pre-NH debate that exceeded the paltry number that were then scheduled, she would not have had to concede to more.

Let's see a clip, please. I want to hear this "whining" that you assert.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
43. Do you really not understand the
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

Jewish and whining connection in many antisemitic stereotypes? Really? South Park covered it for goodness sake. It's not like it's a secret.

But keep pushing it. I expect you to double down on it.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
49. It's a common stereotype.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

Continue to use it or not.

Side note: He didn't whine last night, either. So using it when it isn't true smacks even more of the stereotype.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
61. Never heard it. How about Faux outrage? How about false accusation? How about fabricated
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:21 PM
Apr 2016

attacks?

Am I allowed to use ANY of that?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
103. Faux Outrage - False Accusations - Fabricated Attacks
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:44 PM
Apr 2016

You do that all the time so why would you ask if you are allowed to do so?

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
45. Yeah, I'm a sexist lesbian, like all of us. You've said all that's needed to refute your credibility
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

with all of us. Goodbye.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
46. It was an out of the ball park, obvious tease... Hence me saying it. There was NOTHING about sexism
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

in your post. Tongue in cheek.

I thought it would be an obvious, .... duh. lol

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
75. No. She got those done too. First Sanders blustered and Clinton got them done. Her and OMalley.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

frylock

(34,825 posts)
85. So Hillary makes demands, and Sanders acquiesces..
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders does the same to get the debate in NY, and you characterize that as whining. Got it.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
64. The poster makes things up and refuses to defend.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

The poster's only defense is to is to mock and dis-respect.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
66. Hillary Clinton was booed at times, Bernie Sanders was not booed.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

Regardless of who one supports or opinions for Democratic POTUS nominee;

Do you see in this thread and others how you disrespect others and show your ignorance?

Even when people try to be respectful and nice to you.

Some of the folks that jump in to support you are not your true friends because they allow your questionable behavior.

You make up your facts too often.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
68. You call yourself polite and civil? eom
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

Some Sanders supporters are rude and obnoxious but not a majority.

DU is a tiny slice of the real world.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
78. Who bragged? I typed straight fact.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

I did not mock or laugh at anyone.

I was civil and an uncivil and disrespectful post from me is rare but does occur.

Civil means courteous and polite.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
53. He needed a gamechanger result.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

He didn't get it.

He looked so red-faced and angry throughout the whole thing.

BuddhaGirl

(3,608 posts)
60. Yes, he did
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

His angry old man shtick with his constant finger-pointing and arm-waving is all he knows how to do.

Howard Fineman made a good point in the post-debate analysis - in that Bernie knows he can't win New York so he let it all rip, with the condescension and the inappropriate laughter during the gun control part of the debate. He then immediately leaves the country, while Clinton continues to campaign in NY.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
74. and her screeching over him, going WELL over her time,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

interrupting him numerous times, smirking and that laugh when she is called out on something that she knows she is wrong about - that all is good? Her debate tactics are worn and people booed her numerous times for good reason.

BuddhaGirl

(3,608 posts)
84. Aww what a surprise
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

A personal insult from a Sanders supporter...the truth must have struck a nerve. LOL

Have a good day!

azmom

(5,208 posts)
71. She was a wreck.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

She would not answer questions directly even when she was pressed to do so.

She came accross as a slimy politician.

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