Debate coach: Bad night for Bernie

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Hillary Clinton: A-
She still interrupts too much. No improvement there.
She still has a terrible answer to the question of why she won't release her Wall Street speech transcripts. But Sanders won't release all his tax returns either. (They're both still ducking questions with answers that don't pass the smell test.)
However, Clinton did have a better debate in some significant ways. The first was in demanding Sanders produce examples of her being influenced by Wall Street, as he has so often charged. She asked for an example, and when he couldn't come up with one, she said, "This is a phony attack designed to raise questions with no evidence or support... he cannot come up with any example, because there is no example."

...



Bernie Sanders: D
First, he had nothing new. By this point in the debate cycle, Sanders should have been ready with specifics on how he'd pay for his proposals without raising the debt, hurting businesses or crushing the middle class. But he was not prepared with this.
He couldn't specify how he'd break up the banks, which he said he'd let them do themselves somehow.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/opinions/debate-coach-democratic-debate-graham/index.html

[revbones]

1. Rofl. Imagine that.

A Hillary fan distorts the debate. Didn't expect that...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. The debate coach is a Hillary fan. Do you have proof of that?

Imagine that.

A Hillary fan distorts the debate. Didn't expect that...

Todd Graham is director of debate at Southern Illinois University. His teams have won national championships for three years, and he's been recognized twice as the national debate coach of the year. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his.

The debate coach is a Hillary fan. Do you have proof of that?

If such proof is lacking I humbly request you peer into your conscience, call on your better angels, and apologize to Professor Graham for your attack on his integrity.



Thank you in advance.

[gabeana]

5. These are establishment folks

they are generating public opinion, stupid post you have a flawed candidate, she will probably win because of her husband rep thats it

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. When you point a finger you have four fingers pointing back at yourself.

"stupid "

Check the five grammatical errors in one run on sentence.

[gabeana]

31. ooh a grammar nazi on DU

how surprising you do sound like you meet that profile of the grammar correctors
nasty people, from what you post it fits

thanks for the confirmation

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. If you are going to call other people " stupid" which you did...

If you are going to call other people "stupid" which you did you are holding yourself out to an exacting standard. If you don't want to be held to an exacting standard, don't call other people "stupid."


That's easy, am I right?

[gabeana]

41. You don't even know what is stupid

calling your post stupid, not you but maybe I have to reevaluate that

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Oh, so you suggested I was stupid but now you want to state it.

I will just leave it at that.

[gabeana]

44. should of left it at that

earlier, didn't do yourself any favors

[Stuckinthebush]

3. I looked and couldn't see where the author endorsed Hillary

So it is likely that he is simply a debate coach who had some educated observations.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Unfortunately, character assassination is how some people roll.

[gabeana]

9. yup you would know

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Like the poster with five grammatical errors in one sentence who called me "stupid."

"yup you would know"

[gabeana]

33. yeah you do know stoopid

I appreciate you for giving me a laugh

[Crabby Abbey]

18. She gets booed 6 times and he gets a standing ovation. I don't think this debate coach

has any merit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. He was grading the debate and not the crowd.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

19. Can you provide proof that he endorsed Hillary Clinton? Nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. There is no proof

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=todd%20graham-university%20of%20southern%20illinois

[zeemike]

36. The jury is in...

On Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:16 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Rofl. Imagine that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1743032

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The poster has been asked 5+ times to provide proof that the debate coach is Hillary supporter. He hasn't provided evidence to back up his claim. The poster is clearly spreading false information and lies.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:22 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let it be, but these internecine squabbles grow tiresome. Sanders partisans need to dial it back for the good of DU, the Democratic Party, the nation, and the planet. Enough already. "Hillary Fan" shouldn't be a slur on this website. This place is toxic.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jeez Louise. C'mon.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If we hid every post that failed to back up it's claims there would be not much to read here...this is a silly alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is the GD:primary forum. Nothing I can see is hide worthy. FYI, I also am a Hillary supporter, but the point of jury duty is not based on who I am for or against, but whether a post merits a hide or not, and it doesn't
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Silly alert but it would be nice to confine ourselves to the world of facts.

[geek tragedy]

4. eh, what matters is if it affected the minds of any voters.

I don't think it did.

[Stuckinthebush]

8. It surely didn't

Nothing new.

[Logical]

6. FFS, this is silly even for you. Nt

[Stuckinthebush]

10. Why is posting an article silly?

A very well written article at that.

[uponit7771]

12. Facts don't suck

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Inconvenient facts do to some people.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. For a poster who holds himself out as logical why would you take exception with me citing an...

For a poster who holds himself out as logical why would you take exception with me citing an authorative source?

Thank you in advance.

It would be stupid if I cited, errr, Steph Curry, as an expert on grading debate performances.

[uponit7771]

11. Yeap, the veil is coming off Sanders... he's got angry rhetoric that's about it with "We'll see"

... when it comes to helping down ballet dems = full of shit

[DCBob]

13. I think Bernie's biggest mistake was dismissing the entire south.

As if Democrats there don't matter. He is already in trouble with African American voters.. that comment just made matters worse.

[salinsky]

14. His refusal to be specific about any of his proposals ...

... did stick out like a sore thumb.

[kennetha]

15. totally agree with this

especially the blatant contradiction on climate change. I pointed this out to my wife as it happened.

I'm starting to believe that Bernie actually doesn't have all that much brain power. He's a simplifier, sort of a la Ronald Reagan, but he has nowhere near the way with language that the "great communicator" as they used to call him did.

[pantsonfire]

17. Super-Predator....

[Admiral Loinpresser]

20. Absolutely false.

Bernie stated a position which amazed many pundits. He advocated for Palestine and thus broke with the traditional Israel-toadying position of most pusillanimous presidential candidates. There will be no chance of peace until America is an honest broker opposing the expansion of Israeli settlements and helping Palestine to overcome gross poverty and unemployment Israeli military reactions have been disproportionate and devastating to Palestinian civilians. Bernie courageously stated that unequivocally, perhaps at the risk of winning the NY primary. That is the difference. He states the truth whether it is politically convenient or not.

[Politicalboi]

26. Desperation strikes again

All the polls had Bernie winning this thing, and now some dufus debate coach knows better than us.

How much is Hillary Coattails paying him?

[cwydro]

28. Links to these polls?

Because that's not what I'm reading or hearing today.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. The online click bait polls.

[cwydro]

32. Lol. That's what I figured.

This would all be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

[Goblinmonger]

27. I like Todd. He's a good guy and a great coach.

But the fact that he left out Sander's line about superpredators being racist is troublesome. That was the best line of the debate. To completely ignore that shed some negative light on his evaluation of this debate.

I thought Clinton had a good debate. This was not an A-/D debate. Not even close to that lopsided. If he had given Sanders a B, I might think he was being even handed. A D? That's just ridiculous. His pushing of the transcripts was very powerful.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Was he your debate coach?

I was on the debate team in high school.

His assessment was a bit harsh. I only posted it as an antidote to the "Hillary got clobbered" threads and posts that permeated this board this morning. Even if someone hates Hillary they should be honest enough to concede she's an adept communicator.

[Goblinmonger]

38. No. He and I were grad students about the same time (different schools)

So I knew him from the college debate circuit (I was a debate GTA and then coached at the college level for several years).

I think it was a great debate last night. I thought they both did well at different times in the debate. I didn't flow the debate or take notes to get an overall impression, but it was relatively even. A-/D is just not close.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I knew the thread would be acrimonious.

But it bothers me to come here and see threads and posts suggesting Hillary "got her clock cleaned" as if she was some cipher. She is a very bright person.

[pantsonfire]

34. Added text to your OP image...

[CorkySt.Clair]

35. Hope the coach isn't on social media

Or has a listed home phone or address.

[bigwillq]

40. I thought both were awful.

Ms. Clinton=F
Mr. Sanders=F

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. Sanders is a demagogue and a clown, and will be a footnote soon enough

[Goblinmonger]

46. Demagogue? Come on, man.

You don't have to like the guy, but please. How exactly does he meet the definition of a demagogue?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. That's extraordinarily harsh.

Bur Hillary is a good debater.

[thesquanderer]

47. re: "which he said he'd let them do themselves somehow"

His answer was correct. When the government says that something must be broken up (as they have done in the past with monopolies), it is not up to the government to decide *how* that breakup is to be done. The company is supposed to come up with their own plan that they think will address the concerns, submit that plan to the government, and then the government can approve it (or not, if they think it does not adequately address the concern). It is not the job of the government to create the plan. So Sanders was exactly right in the debate, when his answer to how they would be broken up was:

"the banks themselves can figure out what they want to sell off. I don't know that it's appropriate that the Department of Treasury to be making those decisions."

[Lucinda]

48. KNR

[oasis]

50. A NY primary poor showing for Bernie will just about do it. (eom)

[Gothmog]

51. As a former high school and college debater, I agree with this analysis