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MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:32 PM Apr 2016

About the closed primary issue:

Some states have closed primaries. Others have open or partially open ones. It's a matter for states and the Democratic Party to decide, really. But here's the crux of the matter:

Our presidential elections are political in nature. Individual parties select nominees to run for that office. So far, in all modern elections, either the Democrat or the Republican has always won in the general election. But, they are often not the only candidates on the ballot. Other parties also present nominees. Depending on your state, you might see candidates from the Green Party, the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party and various other parties. They, too, select their own nominees.

The nomination of a presidential candidate is strictly a party function in this country. How that is done is decided by the parties themselves and the rules are set by those parties. It's their option. States sometimes have a role in setting up primary elections or caucuses, but the party's rules are what decide who the nominee will be for each party.

In California, for example, the Republican Party primary is a closed primary. Only registered Republicans can vote. On the Democratic side, however, both Democrats and voters who have declared no party affiliation can vote. Green Party registered voters, however, cannot vote in the Democratic primary in that state.

In New York, the primary is a completely closed primary. Only registered Democrats can vote for the allocation of delegates for Democratic candidates. That's what New York's Democratic Party has decided to do. It's the party's decision, solely. That's true in every state. So, we have a mix of primary and caucus policies about who is eligible to vote.

The central fact, however, is that nominees are selected by the party, not by voters in general. The rules are set by the parties. That happens in Rules Committees at the state and national levels for each party who fields candidates for President.

In 2016, either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders will be the nominee, and will be selected according to the rules of the Democratic Party. Their party, their rules. The winner will be the Democratic Party's nominee. That's how it works.

It's important for voters in each state to understand the rules in their state, if they want to participate in this nominee selection process. Today, it's really easy to find that information. All you have to do is Google. You find your state's Democratic Party's web site and drill down to the rules. If you don't have the internet, you can find a phone number for the party's headquarters and ask them.

If you wait until just before the primary election and you're not a registered Democrat, though, you may not be able to participate. But here's the thing: If you are a registered Democrat, you can participate in all 50 states. If your state does not register voters by party, it's likely to have an open primary, so that's OK. But, if your state offers registration by party and you want to participate in presidential primaries, register as a Democrat and you'll be absolutely sure you can.

Whining about rules that have been in place for some time makes no sense. Every registered Democratic voter in New York can vote in the primary. If you're registered with some other party affiliation, you're out of luck, and the time has passed to change your registration. Why a time limit? To keep Republicans from changing just before a primary election to screw up the primary results. That's simple.

Bottom line: Want to vote for a Democratic candidate in primaries? Be a Democratic voter by registration. No matter where you are, that will make you eligible to participate.

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About the closed primary issue: (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2016 OP
Plus Bernie Considered Running Outside the Democratic Party-He Knew It Had Positives/Negatives Stallion Apr 2016 #1
He also knew that no third party candidate had any chance MineralMan Apr 2016 #2
A side note ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #3

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
1. Plus Bernie Considered Running Outside the Democratic Party-He Knew It Had Positives/Negatives
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

he could have set up his own Democratic Socialist Party. He decided to run in the Democratic Party understanding that some of his supporters might be subject to Closed Primary rules. Tough cookie

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
2. He also knew that no third party candidate had any chance
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

of becoming President. So, he picked the party he felt closer to. He's done remarkably well, actually, as an outsider to the party. He won't be the nominee, I'm certain, but he has done quite well, all things considered.

Almost all of those complaining about being unable to vote in the primary are not Democrats. Most have some other party on their registration. The Green Party is one of those. The Libertarian Party is another that has people registered under it who are actively complaining that they are locked out by the rules.

Democrats? Heck, they never worry about that stuff. They know they'll be able to vote in their party's primary elections. They have nothing to worry about.

Me? I'm a lifelong Democrat. I've never worried about voting in a primary, and always do.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
3. A side note ...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

... on Bernie doing well as an "outsider".

I think that's because most people didn't know who he was until recently.

For them, he's "always" been a Democrat for as long as they've been aware of him. So even when people hear that he switched from Indie to Dem recently ... it doesn't have much impact. These folks don't know that he's been attacking Obama and other Dems for a long time.

So for most people, they don't really "feel" that outsider thing so much.

They simply see him as more liberal than Hillary. Or they dislike Hillary thinks to decades of smears and so they would prefer any other Dem to her.

My 2 cents.

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