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Bernie Sanders did not get to meet the pope on Friday, but he got to rail against the inequalities of capitalism at a Vatican conference during an unusual, lightning visit to Rome, days before the crucial New York presidential primary.Although polls show he trails rival Hillary Clinton in New York, which votes Tuesday, the Democratic senator from Vermont interrupted his insurgent campaign to cross the Atlantic to emphasize the same economic critique that has propelled his candidacy all year at home.
As Sanders entered the hall, a note sent by Pope Francis was read out in which the pontiff apologized for his absence, explaining he was preparing to visit the Greek island of Lesbos on Saturday, where he will visit a Syrian refugee camp.
As you know, I had envisaged coming today, around 7 p.m., to greet the participants of the workshop, he wrote. Yesterday I realised that today was going to be very complicated because of my trip to Lesbos."
Sanders denied that he believed his invitation to the Vatican gave his campaign papal backing. Sanders aides have denied the trip was aimed at appealing to Catholic voters in New York.
It is possible the pope decided against meeting Sanders to avoid another plunge into the uncharted waters of this year's U.S. presidential campaign.
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-vatican-sanders-20160415-story.html
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Il Papa snubbed his duplicitous butt.
Sorry Bernie. Your campaign's appropriation of Francis' photo and pronouncements is a fraud, not to mention in extremely dubious taste.
Vinca
(50,285 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)A document that Bernie Sanders apparently didn't read--not only did he falsely attribute its authorship to Pope Francis, but he also made no mention of the fact that it was written in very stark condemnation of the socialist regimes he praised throughout the Cold War.
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berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)to clarify who the "he" is
the conference is on Social & Economic justice...
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)He traveled to Nicaragua after the Sandinista revolution and endorsed its government, praised Castro's government, and traveled to the USSR.
Here, maybe you'd like to actually read the document the conference was about. Your candidate sure couldn't be bothered:
http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_01051991_centesimus-annus.html
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)show that he endorsed the Sandinista government and the reasons why you think this is so horrible... 2nd please provide the praise he gave to Castro... and finally please please show why traveling to the USSR is offensive... shall we start naming all the politicians that did so as well.
you are clearly confusing socialism for communism.. please reread the link you sent me.. it clearly states the conference is about Social and Economic justice
your diatribe is so filled with falsehoods it's overwhelming... hence why you call yourself "Nuclear"
MaeScott
(878 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)You should be ashamed for saying such things. Horrible the language used to smear Bernie for trying to make a difference.
You'll get what's coming to you all in good time.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Regardless of how you feel about this candidate or that candidate the Pope is not going to interject himself into a political campaign.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Plastering his logo on a picture of the Pope? It's dishonest and offensive.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)My guess is that this was a planned campaign stunt and it fizzled out
That poster was made as part of the stunt. Bernie was supposed to be mono a mono with the Pope but got stiffed.
No Saint Bernard of Brooklyn
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Francis probably had his staff out scouting Saint Bern's movements around Rome, just to ensure that there would be no unplanned, accidental encounter between them.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Never mind, Bernie doesn't get to chill with the Clooneys so his whole week was a fail.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)so many people do not seem to realize that the Pope = ESTABLISHMENT PAR EXCELLENCE.
The institution he heads is historically and notoriously bad w/r/t women's and LGBT rights, and also on covering up sexual abuse.
The Clooneys - not so much of any of that.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)What is interesting is her Iraq War vote.
What is interesting is that for every instance of her on the wrong side of history you can find one of Bernie on the right side of it.
So,
Going to a fundraiser is cool.
Going to the Vatican to speak about our immoral economy and looking out for the little guy is a travesty.
Do you people actually believe that you can muddy the water enough on this event to somehow make it Benefit the Queen of Increments?
If so, I would suggest another hobby because this is Alex Jones territory.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)spyker29
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Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Thanks for the heads up, spyker!
Welcome to DU.
cherokeeprogressive
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)ROME U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders says he met privately with Pope Francis during his overnight trip here, his spokesman said.
The meeting took place at the papal residence early Saturday, according Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs.
A Vatican source said the meeting was not a chance encounter and had been planned.
The Sanders campaign had been vague about the senator's itinerary here following his address Friday to a Vatican conference. Francis left Rome later Saturday for Greece, where he is visiting migrants stuck on the island of Lesbos. The reticence about a Sanders meeting may be an attempt to avoid the perception that Francis is endorsing Sanders or otherwise involving himself in American politics.
Sanders was invited to address a Vatican seminar on income inequality and economic justice, and took an unusual break from the Democratic primary campaign trail to attend. He had said in a Washington Post interview last week that he admired Francis and hoped to meet him, but that nothing was set.
Sanders quotes Francis frequently in his address to the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, and told reporters afterward that the pope has had enormous influence in airing issues of wealth disparity and climate change.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/16/italian-media-sanders-met-privately-with-pope-francis/
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Look I'm sure crow tastes awful but try to eat it when it's warm, I heard it's much worse when cold.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're welcome, let me know if you need any more assistance!
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)You really think Bernie could get away with a lie about meeting Pope Francis? The Vatican PR team would slap that shit down in seconds.
But do try to spin that meme all day here. Really. Go ahead and try that.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Bet you feel a little silly now, eh?
Cha
(297,349 posts)Zeke Miller
✔ @ZekeJMiller
Bernie walking a fine line on sort of claiming the endorsement of the Pope https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/photos/a.324119347643076.89553.124955570892789/1029290747125929/?type=3&theater
5:03 AM - 15 Apr 2016
61 61 Retweets 45 45 likes
AlGiordano @AlGiordano
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, this is one inept campaign! https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/720991032523894784
meta @metaquest
@AlGiordano Putting his logo on an image of the Pope? Seriously, what is wrong with this guy?
5:16 AM - 15 Apr 2016
5 5 Retweets 6 6 likes
https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/15/president-obama-on-the-benefits-of-precision-medicine/#comments
Mahalo, Surya~
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Cha
(297,349 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Get up early and go looking for the pile of poo to fling. Classy folks, you are.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/16/italian-media-sanders-met-privately-with-pope-francis/
randome
(34,845 posts)Obviously he changed his mind but how is that the fault of the OP? Both sides are making too much of this, that's for sure.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Only those who wanted to be willfully blind clung to that.
randome
(34,845 posts)Please. With the Pope saying he would be unable to attend because of his London trip, it was a fair conclusion to make that Sanders would not meet with the Pope. Clearly that conclusion was wrong but it was a fair one to make, imo. And for the record, I, myself, would not have drawn any conclusions from that, it's a ridiculous point on which to base a post. Still...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Go ahead and search my post history.
That the Pope was leaving the 16th was common knowledge here except amongst the willfully blind.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Jerry Falwell or Pope Francis it's all the same bullshit to me.
Man of god living in a palace.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)try to not make a mess of your clothing...