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Bernie would be the first Progressive President since......???? (Original Post) berniepdx420 Apr 2016 OP
Another day, another flamebait OP. Agschmid Apr 2016 #1
hi mr agschmid... did you sleep well.. move on berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #4
I did. Agschmid Apr 2016 #11
That's good... care to weigh in with your answers to the OP thread you are participating in ? berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #18
Nah I'm good. Agschmid Apr 2016 #21
Dang.. thought you might enlighten us berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #23
Nah I did that last night :) Agschmid Apr 2016 #25
it is the difference between forever and yesterday SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #2
All factors considered, Bernie would be the most liberal president of all time, probably Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #3
But she might be the most Corporate of all the other Democratic Presidents... no? berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #6
Oh yeah sure but you know what else? What if Bill had not moved toward accepting Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #10
I hear ya.. I'll have to ponder that for a minute.. my first thought is if Bill had lost.. which berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #13
Did you vote for Obama? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #16
This isn't true Baobab Apr 2016 #27
+1 dchill Apr 2016 #31
FDR and Shrub. n/t Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #5
+1 Zira Apr 2016 #20
Exactly ! awake Apr 2016 #33
Carter.... daleanime Apr 2016 #7
I was thinking that but didn't want another hide. Zira Apr 2016 #22
Let you know how it turns out.... daleanime Apr 2016 #35
Yep. Carter. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #29
Obama Tarc Apr 2016 #8
obama.. progressive or corporate... or both ? berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #9
Perhaps you are so far left that everything looks conservative/corporate Tarc Apr 2016 #12
that may be true.. I do think the democratic center is moving left.. but I was just trying to berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #14
corporate Baobab Apr 2016 #17
. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #19
Bernie would also be the first Jewish President ever. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #15
Hillary isn't the adocate for women's rights she tries to portray herself as. Baobab Apr 2016 #24
no he doesn't see women that way. Fool yourself, but not me. n/t Sheepshank Apr 2016 #26
Of the 2 only Bernie is 100% for a woman's right to choose awake Apr 2016 #34
Voting that way is one thing...only one thing Sheepshank Apr 2016 #37
Obama. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #28
Hmmm... Bernie (progressive) = Roosevelt / Clinton (corporate) = Obama quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #30
Bernie's hands may be tied by backroom deals that supersede national laws. Baobab Apr 2016 #32
The most ever jfern Apr 2016 #36

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
3. All factors considered, Bernie would be the most liberal president of all time, probably
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

and Hillary would be a far less corporate president than any republican since IKE.

But that isnt sexy or exciting or controversial, so many here will probably disagree.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
10. Oh yeah sure but you know what else? What if Bill had not moved toward accepting
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

money from Wall Street and lost to Bush in 1992?

Think what would have happened and what did happen and why.

I think moving to the center stinks and I think taking criminal corporate money also stinks, but they did what they had to do.

Be fair, think about what would have happened without Bill.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
13. I hear ya.. I'll have to ponder that for a minute.. my first thought is if Bill had lost.. which
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

democrat would have risen in 98.. hard to say..

I understand what you are saying... but at some point if we want change we will have to take a stand and stop voting for the corporate democrat.. this may be our last chance for some time..

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
27. This isn't true
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

>and Hillary would be a far less corporate president than any republican since IKE.

No, thats not true.

You don't know whats in the pipeline, (and whats already there.. but not much used - yet).

The things she's doing which have the most impact are related to existing and pending trade deals, and many will effect everybody's lives and have a substantial financial impact-

when you add them all up, I am 100% certain that the difference will likely be in the several hundreds of thousands of dollars- to each of us.

In many cases it would be the difference between having a job and not.

Many businesses that would likely thrive never get started because of the huge costs of health insurance, Also, the prices of many Rx drugs has been skyrocketing, something which will be made much worse by TPP, which likely will be passed during the lame duck session.,

Why is he US pushing private (and why are we pushing backroom policy which globally opposes a right to to public education, and especially, trades away services - and service jobs Thats a huge huge mistake on services - 70% of all jobs)

Public health care by the way, actually saves a huge amount of money. (if its not "optional". That super important. It cant be an afterthought, or a plan of last resort for sick poor people that requires impoverishment and unemployment first. (what competition policy would demand under Hillary so as not to "crowd out" commercial providers of those services.)

A high quality single payer health care alone would save each of us enough for each American to buy a house with the savings over their lifetime.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
14. that may be true.. I do think the democratic center is moving left.. but I was just trying to
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:42 PM
Apr 2016

understand what you meant by you answer.... Obama.. ?? still don't know what you meant

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
15. Bernie would also be the first Jewish President ever.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary would be the first woman President ever.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
24. Hillary isn't the adocate for women's rights she tries to portray herself as.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is a real person who sees women as every bit the equal of men. And his policies would be far better for women 9and everybody else, even paradoxically, most of the wealthy) than Hillary and her trade deals.

awake

(3,226 posts)
34. Of the 2 only Bernie is 100% for a woman's right to choose
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

Hillery believes that the Goverment has the right in some cases to tell a woman what she can or can not do with her own Body.

 

quantumjunkie

(244 posts)
30. Hmmm... Bernie (progressive) = Roosevelt / Clinton (corporate) = Obama
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

One is for the people the other, well....

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
32. Bernie's hands may be tied by backroom deals that supersede national laws.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016

Thats a big enough possibility that people need to be talking about it a lot more. Google these three lines of text (the same text i just posted in the other thread). This is one of the better examples of these problems.

Article I:3 of the agreement states:

"For the purposes of this Agreement…

(b) 'services' includes any service in any sector except services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority;

(c) 'a service supplied in the exercise of governmental authority' means any service which is supplied neither on a commercial basis, nor in competition with one or more service suppliers."

jfern

(5,204 posts)
36. The most ever
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

LBJ was pretty progressive except for Vietnam
FDR was pretty progressive except for racial issues

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