2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie would be the first Progressive President since......????
Clinton would be the first Corporate President since......????
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)and Hillary would be a far less corporate president than any republican since IKE.
But that isnt sexy or exciting or controversial, so many here will probably disagree.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)money from Wall Street and lost to Bush in 1992?
Think what would have happened and what did happen and why.
I think moving to the center stinks and I think taking criminal corporate money also stinks, but they did what they had to do.
Be fair, think about what would have happened without Bill.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)democrat would have risen in 98.. hard to say..
I understand what you are saying... but at some point if we want change we will have to take a stand and stop voting for the corporate democrat.. this may be our last chance for some time..
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)>and Hillary would be a far less corporate president than any republican since IKE.
No, thats not true.
You don't know whats in the pipeline, (and whats already there.. but not much used - yet).
The things she's doing which have the most impact are related to existing and pending trade deals, and many will effect everybody's lives and have a substantial financial impact-
when you add them all up, I am 100% certain that the difference will likely be in the several hundreds of thousands of dollars- to each of us.
In many cases it would be the difference between having a job and not.
Many businesses that would likely thrive never get started because of the huge costs of health insurance, Also, the prices of many Rx drugs has been skyrocketing, something which will be made much worse by TPP, which likely will be passed during the lame duck session.,
Why is he US pushing private (and why are we pushing backroom policy which globally opposes a right to to public education, and especially, trades away services - and service jobs Thats a huge huge mistake on services - 70% of all jobs)
Public health care by the way, actually saves a huge amount of money. (if its not "optional". That super important. It cant be an afterthought, or a plan of last resort for sick poor people that requires impoverishment and unemployment first. (what competition policy would demand under Hillary so as not to "crowd out" commercial providers of those services.)
A high quality single payer health care alone would save each of us enough for each American to buy a house with the savings over their lifetime.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Bingo this is correct
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Obama.
Zira
(1,054 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)understand what you meant by you answer.... Obama.. ?? still don't know what you meant
Baobab
(4,667 posts)sorry!
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Hillary would be the first woman President ever.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Bernie is a real person who sees women as every bit the equal of men. And his policies would be far better for women 9and everybody else, even paradoxically, most of the wealthy) than Hillary and her trade deals.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Hillery believes that the Goverment has the right in some cases to tell a woman what she can or can not do with her own Body.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)It's not enough
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)quantumjunkie
(244 posts)One is for the people the other, well....
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Thats a big enough possibility that people need to be talking about it a lot more. Google these three lines of text (the same text i just posted in the other thread). This is one of the better examples of these problems.
Article I:3 of the agreement states:
"For the purposes of this Agreement
(b) 'services' includes any service in any sector except services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority;
(c) 'a service supplied in the exercise of governmental authority' means any service which is supplied neither on a commercial basis, nor in competition with one or more service suppliers."
jfern
(5,204 posts)LBJ was pretty progressive except for Vietnam
FDR was pretty progressive except for racial issues