Got him! What the tax papers hid!

[catnhatnh]

See the itemized deduction worksheet at this link:
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/Bernie%20Taxes%20Full.pdf

On page 3, itemized deductions, see box 22. As you know, Bernie has claimed all along that Jane files their taxes. Box 22 shows $204 for "tax preparation fees"....There it is in black and white-he has set up an illicit payment to his wife!!!

Case closed. Now he must drop out of the race!!!

[Politicalboi]

2. LOL!

At least he didn't have to acquire a CRIMINAL attorney. You guys are funny.

[northernsouthern]

3. 204?

That is 204000 pennies!!!! That is almost as many in dollars as Hillary makes in speeches@ Jane release your tax preparation notes!

[TexasTowelie]

52. Don't you mean 20,400 pennies?

I hope that you weren't counting on Bernie making you Secretary of the Treasury.

[northernsouthern]

54. No I meant 204,000

It is too late, I already said it, it is out there, so I have to double down and own the mistake I made...much like the super delegates.

[dchill]

56. +1 *snort*

[TexasTowelie]

57. Well, at least you aren't trying to pass the buck

or is that 1,000 pennies for you?

[northernsouthern]

61. A buck is not 1000 pennies!

A buck clearly has 4 legs, so that is 4 time a penny so 723. Come on!

[TexasTowelie]

62. You never went hunting with my father's preacher friend.

He was such a bad shot that the poor animal was lucky to have any legs after he was through. The guy went hunting one winter morning and didn't finally track down the buck until the sun was about to set. It was so cruel that I decided that I never wanted anything to do with hunting.

[northernsouthern]

63. A buck with no legs would fail in my class.

I would give 4 legged ones 4.0's but no legs I would a 0, and that means I would not pass the buck.

[MADem]

4. I have a feeling they are "re-filing" all their taxes for the last ten years. Maybe got a preparer

to fix some of the mistakes...?

Unless they over-paid for their copy of Turbo Tax.

[morningfog]

10. That's it! You're hot on the trail!

[Ken Burch]

11. Give it up. This is now put to rest. n/t.

[MADem]

12. No, it isn't. ONE tax return where the taxpayer pays less than HALF the taxes of an average person?

Where are the tax returns while Jane was working? Decades of tax returns v. 1 return from 2 years ago?

And the guy pays less as a percentage of his income than a Walmart cashier?

There's more to see.

And who was paid to do these taxes? I thought JANE did them? Either someone WAY overpaid for Turbo Tax, or someone is lying.

[islandmkl]

17. has he gotten it down into Warren Buffett territory yet?

THAT is the gold standard (public acknowledgement-wise) of letting people know how little a rich person can pay...

while you are at it...you might want to wrap your head around what Bernie is saying about the tax situation in general...and let us know how his income that is nearly what? 2 or so Hillary speeches, is somehow manipulated illegally to pay less than the fair share as calculated using IRS rules and regs...

find me any one of your heroes that voluntarily pays more taxes than they legally owe...look at the Clintons first to make it easy...or not..

if you can't, which i am pretty sure you can't, but you guys might always have something in the old bag to pull out...anyway, just find a different tack before you look petty....

probably too late, but give it a try...

by the way...we pay taxes in dollars, not percentages...

[MADem]

21. He's paying less than WB's secretary!

It's real easy to be concerned about the rich when you are one of the rich and making out like a bandit on tax day.

I'd love a 13 percent tax rate. Hell, I'd be happy with double that!

[islandmkl]

24. and Warren pays less, percentage-wise than his secretary, Bernie and probably most of the employed

people in America...

so your point is?

but hey...it's Friday night and it's always fun playing 'argue in the circle' with you guys...

let me know what percentage the Clintons paid...i don't know, and to GWTW it: frankly, i don't give a damn...

i hope they got over, too...should help calm the Hillbots down while the math settles in...

[MADem]

26. Be careful what you ask for.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511748252

[islandmkl]

34. you did a fine job of answering my question...thanks...

but you apparently missed the part when i said i didn't give a damn...

[MADem]

38. That's nice. Now you have the information so you can decisively not give a damn, without question.

[jillan]

20. It's $100 for Premier + extra for xtra forms + an addition $49 (?) for audit protection.

I am single, have investments but not self employed and did not purchase the audit protection and I paid $140

[MADem]

22. That's still a lot less than two hundred and some. nt

[jillan]

25. If I would have added audit protection I would have paid $189! And I didn't need to file the extra

paperwork for being self employed.

It is how much it costs. They're expensive, but I like using them.

[MADem]

40. .....

A key detail withheld by Sanders until Friday night prompts yet another question: The senator and his wife have both said on national television that Jane Sanders prepares the couple’s returns using TurboTax software. But a schedule that had been withheld until now shows $204 in tax preparation fees.

The most expensive version of TurboTax sold currently — a higher grade product than needed to prepare the couple’s returns, costs $109.99 That price includes both an online download and a compact disc. And that is the price charged by Intuit, the manufacturer, with retailers offering discounts pricing the top product at under $100.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/tax-transparency-after-expansive-vow-sanders-releases-only-2014-return/

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. Does that include state?

I sometimes do my state by hand. Other times I'm lazy and pay turbotax double to do my state.

Are you really doing this?

[MADem]

45. State is what, twenty nine bucks?

Look, if people don't want to be called out on what they say, they shouldn't say things that are easily challenged.

HRC catches enough shit--what's good for the goose, etc.

Don't give me that "you really doing this?" attitude--that's the equivalent of "Because Bernie" and it doesn't fly with me at all. It's not cool. If BS becomes the nominee, if you think the right wing is going to "Because Bernie" him on everything from his sketchy, cretinous and inappropriate writings to his travels, his "I hate JFK" ramblings, his taxes and beyond, you'd better think again.

And if you don't think a large swathe of Middle America won't be appalled--viscerally--and recoil when they learn a lot of this stuff (and they would learn it, courtesy of "America Rising" or one of those PACS that Bernie decries) you need to recalibrate.

How soon we forget Kitty Dukakis and Willy Horton, John Kerry and Swiftboating, Jimmy Carter and His Killer Rabbits, John McCain's Illegitimate Black Baby etc. The GOP had a FIELD DAY. They have a lot of experience at this. They're good at it. One of the things they can't do with HRC is beat her on all that "old" shit. People like their "scandals" (faux or otherwise) fresh, new and unheard. She's got the teflon rhino skin--the shit slides off and she can take a hit and keep charging. Sanders has NEVER been challenged OR questioned--look at how his crew muffed this simple tax thing. With lies and deceit, when there was no real need. He looks evasive as hell.

There's a shitload of grist in the Sanders mill--vet it NOW.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

47. In my experience, it's the same as the federal.

So double the federal fee. Whatever that is.

Yeah, are you really quibbling over his filing fees? Unbelievable.

No offense but I only read the first couple sentences of your rant. Got better things to do than watch DUers piss and moan over filing fees.

Good night, sir.

[MADem]

48. No, I think you're mistaken. nt

[Skwmom]

74. You can't use Premier w/a sced C. It's called Home and Bus + State Package + Filing .

[rufus dog]

28. do you realize you are using the exact same innuendo techniques as used by Republicans

Truly fucking pathetic, you would think a Clinton supporter would be sensitive to not following the same path that Pubbies travel while claiming everything the Clinton do is nefarious.

[MADem]

31. Do you realize you are calling me a Republican?

Truly fucking pathetic, you would think a Sanders supporter would be sensitive to not following the same path that Pubbies travel.....



See how that works? You gonna retract? Or are you gonna let everyone know just what you're made of?

[angrychair]

49. You realize how ridiculous you look?

Your sweating over every pencil mark on a tax return that has an AGI less than HRC made on one speech from the criminal organization Goldman Sachs ( http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0X81TI )

[MADem]

64. Ooooh, someone's sweating, all right. You're jumping all over me for conversing, trying to shut

me down with name calling and ridicule.

Now who looks "ridiculous?"

[rufus dog]

60. I didn't call you a Republican

I said you are using Pubbie tactics, not only do I stand by it, I strongly stand by it!

Look I know things can get heated during a primary, but claiming someone with his income and net worth is doing something unethical is beyond the pale. What is much more likely, is that there are numerous mistakes on his filings, nothing nefarious, just mistakes. He is at an income level where his wife still does the taxes, like many American families they don't have the income nor complexities that require an accountant, but she may have made some mistakes. A mistake that may result in a thousand here or there, but a mistake that would be blown out of proportion.

It is ridiculous to even be discussing at this point.

[MADem]

65. Yeah, you did. You used clever, one-step-removed language to do it, but that's what you did.

And you can stand by it all you want, because it takes someone who KNOWS "pubbie tactics" -- you know, like Karl Rove-- to even attempt to describe them. Now, I'm not CALLING you Karl Rove, that ugly wingnut, shameless, prevaricating pig, but.....

See how that works?


When someone LIES about SMALL THINGS, they will LIE about BIG THINGS.


They lied. It's on video. And the "Holier than thou" attitude takes the cake.

[rufus dog]

66. here is how it works

you calling me Karl Rove, a prevaricating pig, etc, does nothing to me, because it isn't anyway indicative on how I live my life.

Be really careful, in minutes I can flood the thread with video of Hillary lies.

[MADem]

67. I really don't care what it does to you.

I see you.

And I see you even more clearly when you say shit like this: Be really careful, in minutes I can flood the thread with video of Hillary lies.

[rufus dog]

68. If you don't care then why did you make the comments?

Feeling a bit guilty.

And flooding the thread wasn't a threat. It was highlighting the point that Sanders was being called a liar, while HRC was getting a pass regarding her numerous well documented lies. For the love of GOD, one person claimed to be under sniper fire in Bosnia, that is not a little thing.

I want to go on record that the RufusDog has never been under sniper fire, not in Bosnia, not in South Central.

[MADem]

71. You were the one who engaged in personal invective, not me.

Anyone can pull the string and see who was the one who started name calling. It was you.

[840high]

32. Stop it - you look silly.

[MADem]

39. Silencing conversation is what looks silly. nt

[riversedge]

79. No, it has NOT been put to rest. #ReleasetheReturns

[KPN]

55. That's just foolish ....

Sounds like you are more concerned about transparency re: whether or not Bernie might have cheated the feds out of nickle here or there, than transparency about the possible quid pro quo association with hundreds of thousands that Hillary got from Wall Street speaking engagements.

[dchill]

58. YES! You need to bury yourself in this...

until at least August. I think you're on to something!

[jillan]

5. LOL - for all the Haters that is the Turbo Tax Fee

I had to say that because ya know someone will come along with a tinfoil hat any second now.....

[questionseverything]

7. ha, thanks i hadn't thought of that

as an aside

my hubby says i do the taxes but

i don't...i get the lists ready to take to my gal who does the taxes

but to him it is the same

[Joe the Revelator]

9. See the post directly above yours.

[jillan]

13. I did! LOL!! I knew it!

[MADem]

14. It is not!!! I've never paid anywhere near that to use Turbo Tax! Federal AND State. nt

[bobbobbins01]

23. Turbotax is $104 just for federal.

Each state is an additional charge. Thats for the online version, there are other even more pricey options you can use. So no, I don't think they overpaid.

[northernsouthern]

35. You sure like throwing shade!

You said you pay more in taxes, but less to file. Can you please tell us your tax rate and how much you pay for your taxes to be filed? I have a theory that perhaps, unless you make a good amount, you are paying a twelve year old to do your taxes because you want to save money, and because he is only 12 he is doing them wrong? Just a theory.

[MADem]

36. Turbo Tax Deluxe is about forty five bucks. I don't make that much--way WAY less than "the Bern"

certainly.

More to the point, though--if Sanders paid all that money for tax preparation, why did she have to "go home" to get her tax returns? Remember that excuse? They're in BOXES? That's what she said.

Now, we know she got on a plane last night. Clearly, she didn't have to go home and get her taxes--she could have just input the SSAN (or the email address/password) to Turbo Tax and pulled up the taxes--like the rest of us do.

There was some prevaricating going on. I think these documents got scrubbed. Perhaps the rest of them are getting scrubbed, too. Who knows? Something's off, though.

[northernsouthern]

41. Why are you not answering the question?

You just partial taxed me. I asked how much did you make and what your tax rate was? I am not even asking your deductions. As for the amount on Turbotax? I know for a fact it is more. I do the free one that makes you reenter all of your details and constantly tries to swap it out. The total adds up fast, and if done at any local place (you know if you are looking to support local it is quickly that much, they always try to sell you that they can get you more in deductions so it pays for itself). It seems logical She would get all of their materials, either do them completely her self and turn them in to get checked or just collected all of the paper work and have them do it.

[MADem]

42. I told you I make way WAY less than Bernie--and that's all you're getting out of me.

I'm not giving you my financial particulars down to the penny, get over it. You have no right to my personal information, and you're not getting it. You'll have to make do with knowing that I make far, FAR less than than a US Senator and his hazardous-waste-dumping wife.

And I am taxed at more than double his rate.

I just told you what I paid for Turbo Tax Deluxe.

Something is "off" with what both Bernie and Jane have been saying. If they paid that much for their Turbotax, they must have filed in more than one state, AND they would have been able to retrieve their taxes online.

Opposite of transparent.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/tax-transparency-after-expansive-vow-sanders-releases-only-2014-return/

[northernsouthern]

43. Please release your numbers.

How is it you can claim all of this with no proof? You pay double? 13.4*2=26.8%
$91,150 to $190,150? a year if you are single? If you are not you can make more than him and still be in the 28% bracket.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/2016-tax-brackets


BTW I would zip it about toxic waste, Arkansas the home of the Clintons have a power-plat, drove past it many times, wonder where they dumped it...
http://thecabin.net/stories/110707/loc_1107070011.shtml
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/26/nuclear-regulatory-commission-to-inspect-arkansas-/?page=all

[MADem]

46. Why don't you look at the table in the doggone link you provided.

Most people who pay thirteen percent are in the poorhouse.

It's really something when a guy that rich exempts a quarter of his income....

[northernsouthern]

53. I did.

So why do you refuse to answer? Are you hiding something? You are making claims, so put up or post up.

[beam me up scottie]

50. LOLOLOL! That image is perfect!!!

[passiveporcupine]

76. I think you are starting to froth at the mouth

You (all) said Bernie invited himself to Rome.

You said Bernie lied about speaking at the conference.

You said Bernie was going just to get an endorsement from the Pope

You said Bernie lied about meeting the Pope

And now you expect us to believe anything else you throw at the wall?

Remember the boy who called Wolf?

Well you've been calling it for too long already.

And you are so frenzied, you got sucked in by a sarcastic OP. This is just precious.

[MADem]

78. Looks like you're the one doing that! Frothing and frenzied, you are!!!

You shouldn't try to attribute your own feelings to others--it's obvious. And yes--"precious...?"



Quit while you're behind.

[femmedem]

8. The OP was sarcasm.

Pretty sure you are both on the same side.

[Electric Monk]

18. Poe's law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

[femmedem]

29. Thanks. I didn't know there was a name for that!

Edited to add: it's true, without facial expressions and vocal inflection, online sarcasm is bound to be misinterpreted sometimes.

[beam me up scottie]

15. LOL! Did you see where they're calling him cheap for not donating more to charity?

They've been saying he was hiding his returns because he DOESN'T donate to charity for weeks.

[JonLeibowitz]

16. I'm reading now that if Jane doesn't release 2015 returns on Monday she is a LIAR

[beam me up scottie]

19. One guy is claiming that the average worker pays more than 31% in federal taxes.

[pugetres]

27. I hope the Sanders file an extension

just to keep the tools waiting longer

[Autumn Colors]

30. TURBOTAX

If he earned any money outside of Vermont, they would need to purchase additional software for multiple state tax forms (you get one state for free).

Also, TurboTax can file the federal forms electronically for free, but there's a fee to file each state electronically ($24.99 per state).

[Skwmom]

73. Turbo tax Home and Bus package + State Package + Filing fees. Is this so difficult.

[Autumn Colors]

81. Exactly (nt)

[frylock]

33. ..

[geek tragedy]

37. $4900/year from dumping nuclear waste in Texas

http://www.nationalmemo.com/tax-transparency-after-expansive-vow-sanders-releases-only-2014-return/

Their Schedule C shows $4900 in “business income” to Jane Sanders as an appointed commissioner of the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Compact Commission, a bi-state regulatory body that oversees shipments of radioactive waste from Vermont to the Lone Star state.

[grasswire]

51. this place has gone effing nuts

what's that old saying about not seeing the mote in your neighbor's eye because you have a beam in your own? Something like that.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

59. So now the tax returns are getting Benghazi'd

by the same folks who spent the better part of a week Benghaziing the Vatican trip?

Ben-gha-zi (vt): To pore obsessively over a political opponent's documents, statements or activities in the desperate hope of finding some tiny scrap of evidence that will discredit or embarrass them, to the point of looking completely ridiculous.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

69. Has anyone looked at the tax returns for the Clinton foundation?

[Skwmom]

70. Turbo Tax with the Schedule C plus Turbo Tax filing fees. n/t

[JackRiddler]

72. Wait, so this wasn't a joke?

It's got so hard to tell whether something's Onion or not.

[Zira]

75. Only if Hillary goes to jail for her off shore accounts, her 5 businesses in Deleware which are

likely not to be existing and operating in that state sans in a tax scheme, and for shady donations to the Clinton foundation including countries donating after getting her need US approval for arms deals when she was Secretary of State.

[passiveporcupine]

77. So beautifully presented

Look at the fish you caught!

[whistler162]

80. Needs to look into his local credit union

Mine charges $150 minus $55 with the old fart members over 50 discount and the basic member discount for a tax professional to prepare them.