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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:25 PM Apr 2016

Could Hillary end inequality by teaching the poor how to earn $100,000/year in cattle futures?

At first I thought she could teach the poor to give speeches, but there's probably only so many $250,000 checks to go around. But what about cattle futures? Anyone can invest. The government could spot everyone $1000 and then they would just go to work futuring cattle or whatever it is one does. It can't be very hard because Hillary had no experience whatsoever in futures trading and she went from $1000 to $100000 in less than a year. Sure, it probably helped that the outside counsel for Arkansas' largest employer was helping her out just a little (or just a lot depending on whatever version of Hillary one believes), but he was just doing it to be a good friend and not to curry influence for Tyson Foods from government regulators. There's probably lots of other outside counsels who want to be good friends with people and why not be good friends with the poor? They could provide the requisite help to those in need and poverty could be wiped out in a matter of months. I don't know why Hillary, having seen the magic of futures trading, didn't bring it up at the last debate as an example of her experience in wealth creation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm

Hillary Clinton Futures Trades Detailed
By Charles R. Babcock
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 27, 1994; Page A01

Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in
1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records the White House released yesterday.

The computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of trading, she made nearly $100,000, relying heavily on advice from her friend James B. Blair, an experienced futures trader.

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A close examination of her individual trades underscores Blair's pivotal role. It also shows that Robert L. "Red" Bone, who ran the Springdale, Ark., office of Ray E. Friedman and Co. (Refco), allowed Clinton to initiate and maintain many trading positions – besides the first – when she did not have enough money in her account to cover them.

Why would Bone do so? Bone could not be reached for comment, but Blair said he thought he knew why. "I was a very good customer," he said, noting he paid Bone $800,000 in commissions over the years. "They weren't going to hassle me. If I brought them somebody, they weren't going to hassle them."

Besides, he added, Bone would not worry if he agreed with his clients' bet on which way the price of a given contract would go.

Blair, who at the time was outside counsel to Tyson Foods Inc., Arkansas' largest employer, says he was advising Clinton out of friendship, not to seek political gain for his state-regulated client. At the time of many of the trades, Bill Clinton was governor.

Hillary Clinton has said she made all the trading decisions herself and has tried to play down Blair's role. But she acknowledged in April, three weeks after her trades were first disclosed, that Blair actually placed most of the trades.


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Could Hillary end inequality by teaching the poor how to earn $100,000/year in cattle futures? (Original Post) Karmadillo Apr 2016 OP
then she can help them ... SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #1
I love this part... catnhatnh Apr 2016 #2
Yeah, that was one stoke of luckshe had beedle Apr 2016 #18
And don't think this won't come up in the general. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #24
It would cost too much for her to teach the class Politicalboi Apr 2016 #3
statistical probability of that occurring honestly is zero amborin Apr 2016 #4
Maybe the poor could offer discounted speaking engagements for only $50,000 per hour? GoneFishin Apr 2016 #5
could bernie end equality by giving everybody an F-35 from his friends at youknowhwo nt msongs Apr 2016 #6
How much will Hillary make when she convinces the military to sell them to Israel? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #10
Ouch! Karmadillo Apr 2016 #22
Can you say insider trading, boys and girls? Sure you can! Divernan Apr 2016 #7
Kick azmom Apr 2016 #8
I personally can't wait for the first desperate shill to defend this. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #9
See post 6 Kalidurga Apr 2016 #11
Yes. But it was one of those chickenshit side-glancing things. The poster didn't address the OP. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #12
Well in that case I have never ever seen anyone defend Hillary here Kalidurga Apr 2016 #13
Good point, Kalidurga. Good point. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #14
It will be I am going to a fund raiser on Sunday Kalidurga Apr 2016 #15
Come on get real. She simply got lucky. Armstead Apr 2016 #16
I'm sure. :) Let me take this chance to let you know I appreciate your posts. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #17
Thanks...You too Armstead Apr 2016 #19
Yep, like royal flush 4 hands in a row lucky... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #20
What happened to her claim that she read the Wall Street Journal to make her trsading decisions??? reformist2 Apr 2016 #21
God, now insider trading. When does it stop. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #23

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
2. I love this part...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

"In a Fall 1994 paper for the Journal of Economics and Finance, economists from the University of North Florida and Auburn University investigated the odds of gaining a hundred-fold return in the cattle futures market during the period in question. Using a model that was stated to give the hypothetical investor the benefit of the doubt, they concluded that the odds of such a return happening were at best 1 in 31 trillion.[14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_cattle_futures_controversy

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
18. Yeah, that was one stoke of luckshe had
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:29 AM
Apr 2016

.. and then in another stroke of "luck" no one bothered to even consider this suspicious until enough time had passed that even if shehad done something illegal the statue of limitations would have protected her, so they didn't bother to investigate ... some "luck" she had there?!

thesquanderer

(11,987 posts)
24. And don't think this won't come up in the general.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

Along with every other questionable item from her past... whitewater, travelgate, etc. Her record on these things is not clean. Even though she was never proven guilty of anything, those reports included things like misleading statements under oath, poor judgment, etc. I think the fact that she ultimately got away with it all is why she thinks she can get away with pretty much anything.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
3. It would cost too much for her to teach the class
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

And she might actually have to work with peons. Peons ain't got money. She only needs them for votes. Corrupt since 1978. Just think if she were running on the GOP. Those that support her would actually see how corrupt she really is.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
9. I personally can't wait for the first desperate shill to defend this.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:30 PM
Apr 2016

You'll know you're in the presence of a dishonest person when that happens, because outside of the once-in-a-blue-moon jackpot in Vegas, these sorts of returns don't happen.

Hillary Clinton represents a great deal of what's wrong with this nation.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
12. Yes. But it was one of those chickenshit side-glancing things. The poster didn't address the OP.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:11 AM
Apr 2016

And that's because no serious person would believe a bozo who tried to defend this crap.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
13. Well in that case I have never ever seen anyone defend Hillary here
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

It's all chickenshit side-glancing insult the poster who dares say something not nice about things Hillary has done.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
17. I'm sure. :) Let me take this chance to let you know I appreciate your posts.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

I don't always comment, but you're a thoughtful poster. Have a great weekend.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
20. Yep, like royal flush 4 hands in a row lucky...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

Sure, it COULD happen. Kind of like the infinite number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of typewriters would eventually write "War and Peace"...

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
21. What happened to her claim that she read the Wall Street Journal to make her trsading decisions???
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:27 AM
Apr 2016

I guess that was yet another fabrication...
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