So are Clinton supporters bothered by Bills "shoot people on Wall St." joke?

[Armstead]

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Seems mighty hypocritical for the "fainting couch" crowd to give a pass to his "joke" saying those kids who support Sanders want to shoot every third person on Wall St.

It is making light of violence and shooting as a joke....Last night Hillary said gun violence is no laughing matter.

And since the use of the phrase "corporate whores" was so upsetting, one would think that a statement like this from a former President and possible First Husband would also seem a little jarring.

But I guess if you're a Clinton you can say and do anything and get a pass.

And the manufactured outrage machine doesn't function if a Clinton is involved.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/bill-clinton-bernie-sanders-shoot-wall-street/

Bill Clinton joked Friday that Bernie Sanders' supporters would "shoot every third person on Wall Street" if given the chance, a riff on his broader defense of Hillary Clinton's economic record.

"One of the few things I really haven't enjoyed about this primary: I think it's fine that all these young students have been so enthusiastic for her opponent and (he) sounds so good: 'Just shoot every third person on Wall Street and everything will be fine,'" Clinton said at an event in Fort Washington, New York. He pointed to fewer people working on Wall Street since the Dodd-Frank Act was passed as proof that financial reforms that his wife supports are effective.

[Warren Stupidity]

1. He's just protecting his people.

The Clintons are 0.01%-ers. They shit on us and their hired ad-men convince us that their shit is just what we need. At home they laugh about how fucking stupid we are, and they are right

[dogman]

2. And he calls himself a Democrat?

Is this just the New Democrat?

[Armstead]

3. He can call himself anything he wants -- But he sounds a lot like Rush Limbaugh

he made an offensive joke that....had someone who once met Sanders said it, would be the cause of widespread angry gnashing of teeth among his wife's supporters and the MSM

[dogman]

6. I remember Hillary just scolded Bernie last night that guns are no joke.

Will she let Bill know publicly too?

[Armstead]

7. I wish the goddamn media would point out the hypocracy

[dogman]

8. There is too much at stake.

[Armstead]

9. Yes Time Warner wants their merger and all want to repeal Net Neutrality

Bill was so good to the Telcomm industry when he deregulated it. The Cable giants want to stay on the Clinton's good side

[neverforget]

16. They'll do that in the general if she

is the nominee. Now not so much. They have to beat the liberal first.

[ViseGrip]

11. ^^^THIS^^^

[DisgustipatedinCA]

4. Of course not. Their rage is manufactured. There's nothing honest about these people.

They're like their candidate. I personally know Republicans who are better people (just sadly misinformed). Once a person lies to me, and I know it with certainty, that person is dead to me. I'll never make common cause with that person.

[frylock]

62. ++

Liars and trolls that we're supposed to unite with in November. Fuck that shit. I may be a forgiving person, but I'm no fucking chump.

[farleftlib]

5. Is he losing it?

First he goes ballistic on BLM and now this? Maybe he's trying to get divorced from Hillary and wants her to think it was her decision.

[Art_from_Ark]

28. He wouldn't divorce her now

He's banking that if she wins the GE, he'll have at least 4 more years in the White House.

[Avalux]

10. It's just Bill, ya know? He's harmless!

Wandering around polling places in Massachusetts keeping people from voting, defending that whole superpredator thing from the past, and well, maybe nothing he does or says now can compare to his past.

I always forget he was a president for some reason.

[Armstead]

12. The proverbial bull in a china shop

...or Bill in a china shop

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I actually, and I meant it, asked if this could be read as incitement

if somebody does shoot anybody on Wall Street?

There are two tiers of justice, whether you have green or not.

[Kalidurga]

14. Well I think I know whose posts to follow for a Hillarian free thread.

[Jefferson23]

15. He can't control his emotions, he did the same last time around. I have no idea why anyone

wants a repeat of those two.

[mhatrw]

17. Gun violence is not a laughing matter!

But "colored people time" is totally fair game.

[Armstead]

18. Unless its a joke told by a Clinton (in both cases)

[Vinca]

19. After that remark, I'm ashamed to think I voted for Bill Clinton as president.

What's wrong with the guy? His holier-than-thou persona is cruising for a train wreck in the general election.

[Armstead]

20. The GOP is gonna love him...Not just for his skeezy remarks

There's a lot of fodder in that $119 Million family net worth

[Vinca]

22. Plus they get to throw sex in as a side benefit.

[Armstead]

23. The two of them are a gusher for the GOP operatives

And you can be damn sure issues won't get discussed

[geek tragedy]

21. He's trolling Bernie's surrogates and supporters

Not very Presidential, but Sanders surrogates would be well-advised to not take the bait, I.e. say something like "that would be a good start" as a joke in return.

[Armstead]

24. There is a massive double standard there

All of the faint couch delacy and hurt feelings and righteous indignation over things like an actress's statement, a distinguished doctor's slip of the tongue.......A trup to the Vatican.....


And a former president and the husband of the candidate makes a joke about Sanders suggesting he and his supporters want to commit random mass murder with guns......?

Oh just a harmless little joke.

[geek tragedy]

25. Updated version of the guillotines joke.

also, that superdelegate "hit list"' complete with violent imagery was a real thing with Bernie supporters, as are the harassing phone calls directed at super delegates.

Angry talk of revolution will draw Jacobin references, etc.

[2pooped2pop]

27. Whine whine whine

They are being mean. Awwwww.

[Armstead]

32. I don't know what you are referring to...

if some Sanders supporters are acting inappropriately, I certainly don't condone that. But depends on what "inappropriate" is according to my own compass, not which candidate is involved.

But considering the extent of poutrage a slip of the tongue of a supporter at a rally who may have never even met Sanders compared to the husband of a candidate's violent "joke" in horrible taste -- the day after his wife tried to score points by snapping at Sanders "gun violence is no laughing matter."

Compared to the high dudgeon over an actresses sloppy phrase for political analysis on a talk show....

If Jane Sanders had made mildly inappropriate joke about Clinton supporters.................Hoo Boy there would be panties in a wad from the Clinton camp and media.



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[geek tragedy]

34. Occupy Wall Street was promoting it.

They're pretty much the ideological core of the Sanders movement.

[Armstead]

39. Occupy is not the ideological core -- they are one segment of people who agree with sanders

I thinik OWS did a brave and good thing, and I think their complaints about the system are correct.

But in terms of political activity they're not the "ideological core" -- they express one response to widespread beliefs that out system is corrupt.

But that deflects from the point in the OP.

I still find an amazing disconnect between the excessively amplified outrage over "seven degrees of separation" supporters of Sanders and the crickets over a violent, demeaning and right-wing joke by the husband of a presidential candidate.

[geek tragedy]

42. Occupy Wall Street is doing a big Sanders campaign GOTV rally here this weekend

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/politics/occupy-wall-street-bernie-sanders-new-york-primary/

Sanders is pretty much the OWS candidate. Look at the rhetoric.

Also, look who's actually doing his campaign legwork--mostly OWS alums.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-15/for-occupy-wall-street-alums-sanders-just-a-means-to-their-own-ends

[Armstead]

45. Meh...I went to a local Occupy meeting once

Thought of helping out.

But when we walked in the meeting they were setting up an "introduction circle" in which we were supposed to spill our soul to a bunch of strangers...My girlfriend and I looked at each otehr and headed out the door.

But I have no problem with them or anyone else getting involved. If they do inappropriate things, they deserve criticism for that.

But that is a deflection from the point. Bill Clinton made a joke that was in horrible taste, and Clinton supporters -- who jump with self-righteous indignation on any perceived misstep by a Sanders surrogate -- are just fine with it.

[geek tragedy]

46. Sanders supporters like you don't draw attention to yourselves.

The most egregious ones tend to be the best at drawing attention to themselves.

As is often the case in life.

I would imagine Bill is getting calls from superdelegates etc about this crap.

That said, boneheaded thing for him to say. But he's doing it so often the Biden effect is setting in.

[2pooped2pop]

26. Every third person?

Wtf? Don't do a half ass job. All of them sounds better to me.

[awake]

29. That is because 2 out of 3 of them are who the Clintons work for

And they still want to get payed.

[2pooped2pop]

67. lol

[stone space]

30. He's confusing Bernie with Trump, and Wall Street with 5th Avenue.

[Armstead]

72. I'm beginning to think he's confusing himself with Trump in a lot of ways

Bill's net worth is still only in the Millions...I think he's envious of the fact that trump is in the Billionaire category

[Trenzalore]

31. No

Not at all.

[Armstead]

35. That's fine....If you didn't participate in the manufacture outrage...

...and if this really doesn't bother you objectively then this doesn't refer to you.

[Trenzalore]

54. I was more offended that a guy whose sister in law was saved by Bill Clinton

Decided to delve into such partisan hackery in a primary. It is a good thing the Clintons do good in the world.

[Armstead]

55. Yep into the hypocritical pile you go

[Trenzalore]

57. I certainly wouldn't insult someone who saved a family member

Could care less about the term corporate whores. Just shows the guy saying it was kind of a douche and that has no bearing on Bernie Sanders.

[Armstead]

58. Proportionality is the issue

The guy got caught up in the heat of the moment and said something stupid. he admitted it and apologized for it. Sanders disavowed the comment and criticized it.

But still the Clinton campaign pounced on it and amplified it, the MSM obsesses over it....and on DU has far too many posts on it. A man's reputation is smeared to advance the interests of the Clinton machine.

But Bill Clinton makes a demeaning and insulting right wing joke about a rival and supporters wanting to shoot people on Wall St.......One that both makes light of violence, and also advances the Republican message about progressives.....Zip, Nada, No problemo.

[Trenzalore]

59. Wasn't offended by either

Like I said. Don't care about corporate whores or shoot every third person.

As for the politicians doing politician things. Its an election and there never have been refs. You throw something against the wall and see if it sticks.

[Armstead]

60. Not refs, maybe.....But the shit candidates are willing to do is a demonstration of character

As is their willingness to encourage peopel to look at trivia instead of issues

Susan Saranfon said something badly. Therefore Bernie Sanders has no business being president.

Meanwhile Clinton's husband reveals how disdainful they are of Sanders supporters, and charachertizes progressives as street shooters....naaaah, No problem.

[Trenzalore]

61. FDR was a bastard

Really not a nice guy. Pretty effective. Not that concerned with their "character." More concerned about where they will move things.

I don't think either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton are nice people and I'm ok with that.

[Armstead]

69. Considering your user name I'll go easy -- Allonzie

Except to say being a bastard for good goals still requires some degree of restraint on bad actions. At the end of the day, FDR lifted the nation.

[Trenzalore]

70. Geronimo

"Good men don't need rules, today is not the day to find out why I have so many." - The Doctor

Those are the type of people I want running things.

[Armstead]

71. “Always take a banana to a party, bananas are good!” - Tenth Doctor

Okay, not real relevant, but I like it.

[Octafish]

33. When Trump said he could shoot people with impunity, they had a problem.

When Bill Clinton says it regarding the Banksters, they've no problem.

That is hypocrisy.

[Armstead]

40. Worse...he said it about the supporters of Sanders

Trump was at least referring to his own actions in hios idiot comment.

Bill was ascribing something evil to Sanders and his supporters.

But makes no difference to Clinton's supporters....and the media apparently.

The Clinton Teflon works again.

[Octafish]

43. True, and the Teflon coats and protects the 1-percent.

FWIU: Teflon is carcinogenic.

So we can sink to the lesser angels and do a Reagan: "Well. Wouldn't it be a great time for a botulism outbreak?" as Pruneface said when Patty Hearst's kidnappers demanded food for a poor neighborhood.

Or we can rise to the better angles and do a Bernie: "I am who I am, and what I believe in and what my spirituality is about is that we're all in this together."

No wonder Bill and his Team fling the crapola. It's all they got.

Bernie's different. He was raised to respect ALL people, not just the rich or those who can be used.

[Armstead]

51. That's the worst part -- The 1 percent get protected by putting down the values of the movement

[vintx]

36. Well you have your answer

They have about as much integrity as their candidate

[Onlooker]

37. I suppose it sort of compares to Jane Sanders touring a tent city with Joe Arpaio

or maybe Trump's joke about how he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would still vote for him.

But, your outrage is noted.

[Armstead]

49. Sanders did not go "with" Joe A. She went and he showed up.

No different than when a Clinton goes on a tour where an issue is prevalent.

No comparison.

Clinton's "joke" was far worse than Trump's remark.

In addition to its violent component, it showed his true elitist disdain for anyone who believes in reform of Wall St. and the corporate matrix that he is in bed with.

[KoKo]

38. They never ignore an opportunity to attack activists in Dem Party....

[Armstead]

41. Bingosky

This doesn't just reveal the back and forth of candidates.

It reveals the condescending arrogent dismissal anmd hated of all of those "far left" critics (i.e. liberal) of the Clinton Global Corporate Agenda

[G_j]

48. Yes, that's the point

attack the activists

[Armstead]

50. Those dirty leftist commie hippies like Robert Reich

[G_j]

64. That "fringe left"

that we hear about here often..

[Armstead]

65. Anyone to the left of Zell Miller I guess

[workinclasszero]

44. Are Bernie fans bothered by Bernie's terribly divisive "Deep South" comments?

And Bernie wasn't joking about it either.

Not to mention that that Bill's not running for anything.

[Armstead]

47. Are you bothered by Bill Clinton's violent Rush Limbaugh-style joke?

Is Susan Sarandon or Dr. Paul Song ruining for anything?

And yes, Bull Clinton is running to be an occupant of the White House. And Hillary has said he will be a trusted advisor.

[DemocracyDirect]

52. it reminds me of someone else "I love my Dad, I would kill for him, I would go to jail for him"

Where do they find these people?

Their minds are in some strange places.

[Politicalboi]

53. This piece of shit again

I never thought I would feel this way about the Clinton's. But they are scum. I'm sorry I wasted my vote on this piece of shit, but I know I won't waste my vote ever again for a Clinton.

[QC]

56. Are Scientologists bothered by Tom Cruise's weirdness?

Not at all. They love it.

[AzDar]

63. Bill Clinton is disgusting. The whole corrupt Clinton Clan should ride their moneybags off into

the sunset...

[Armstead]

66. I'll put it more positively -- I wish they would retire and enjoy the fruits of their careers

Just don't inflict their excesses and bad politics on the rest of us

[Romulox]

68. You said it. A disgusting sleeze. nt