2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHuffPo:Release of Clinton’s Wall Street Speeches Could End Her Candidacy for President
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/release-of-clintons-wall-street-speeches_b_9698632.html
The reason you and I will never see the transcripts of Hillary Clintons speeches to Wall Street fat-cats and the reason shes established a nonsensical condition for their release, that being an agreement by members of another party, involved in a separate primary, to do the same is that if she were ever to release those transcripts, it could end her candidacy for president.
Please dont take my word for it, though.
Nor even that of the many neutral observers in the media who are deeply troubled by Clintons lack of transparency as to these well-compensated closed-door events a lack of transparency that has actually been a hallmark of her career in politics.
Nor do we even need to take Clintons word for it as we could certainly argue that her insistence that none of these transcripts ever be seen by the public is itself a confession that her words would cause significant trauma to her presidential bid.
In fact, it appears theyd cause enough trauma that Clinton would rather publicly stonewall to the point of being conspicuously, uncomfortably evasive in public debate after public debate, to endure damning editorial after damning editorial, and to leave thousands and thousands of voters further doubting her honesty and integrity, all to ensure that no one outside Goldman Sachs, and certainly no voter who wasnt privy to those closed-door speeches, ever hears a word of what she said in them.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Mudcat
(179 posts)And don't want to own the consequences
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)puts you in a really difficult situation. Especially when it becomes clear that the people who you'd like to support you aren't for the big money or the big promises.
Why don't you just come clean, Hillary, as to who you really are and who you really work for. You will find ways to give us crumbs, while taking away some of our essential Social Services all the same.
It's all just part of the NeoLiberal plan.
Oh, right, not coming clean and playing the bait and switch, those are trademarks too.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)so you won't have to damn her.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But I also attended of her 225k paid speeches and it was good, nothing offensive, and it's stupid that she isn't releasing them.
She's probably better off refusing to release the transcripts and dodging questions about them.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Rubio hasnt given paid speeches to Wall st. Kasisch hasnt given paid speeches to Wall Street, Cruz hasnt given paid speeches to Wall Street and Trump IS Wall Street and certainly isnt giving any paid speeches to them.
Time for Hillary to release the transcripts. She said she would release them AFTER every candidate has released theirs. Well it is done. They are released. It was a good bet while it lasted. Now she must own up to her promise and release them now.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/24/1490821/-NONE-of-the-Republican-candidates-have-given-paid-speeches-to-Wall-Street-either-just-Hillary
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)if you would not go there.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And I don't think there's anything explosive in them. I think just the details of the footsie with the fat cats would do it.
Not that I think she'll ever release them - I don't. Because she knows what I've been saying is true.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Maybe we are so focused on the transcripts that we are not paying attention to other things, like her foundation and its activities. I'm sure they are damaging, but what if we put all of our outrage into that ONE issue, and she released them and there was not much, or it wasn't career ending or whatever.
Then we couldn't really build up outrage with much credibility about something else or they'd say,"Here we go again." And they'd be right.
Let's at least start up other narratives now rather than have this be the only thing.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)All the transcript release would ever "prove" is Sanders' narrow-issue "big banks are yuuuuuuge", an issue which has not gained traction with the electorate.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)And she won't be releasing them--it will come from the other side...
Simply indefensible.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)but it would probably be an exaggeration to say it would end her candidacy.
Bad judgment to take their money, but she's not stupid.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)She knew perfectly well she would be running for president and should have known how this would look. She could have simply refrained.
Then again, of course, the political climate was a lot different then.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)its not like she and Bill didn't have plenty of money already.
But I don't think she's on video promising them no regulation.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)But I do think just the details of the footsie with the fat cats would sink her, rightly or wrongly. I present in evidence the mere fact that she won't release them.
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hopeforchange2008
(610 posts)Cleansed versions are probably being scribed right now.
SusanCalvin
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton
Triana
(22,666 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... of these speeches is even an issue. When the President names a Supreme Court nominee, aren't the candidate's papers and speeches poured over by Senate staffers in preparation for the hearing and the vote? Why is HRC any different? Why does she get special treatment? If the title of the HuffPo article is true, then should she even be a nominee? If one hides something from the American People, should he/she even be considered as a nominee?
I say no. If you are hiding something, then you can't be trusted to be the President of the United States of America or any other position as a public servant of this land. It's a form of dishonesty right off the bat.
I'm afraid what we would see in these transcripts is the fact that she is much more in the pocket of Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Business than she should be. Perhaps she speaks about the TPP, about Energy, etc, which she won't or "can't" divulge to the American people. WhoTF knows.
I almost think this election should come to a stop until some of these questions are answered. The e-mail controversy, the withheld speeches, what else is up in the air with HRC? How is it alright for us to continue with an election, when one of the two candidates is being investigated and is deliberately hiding information from the public?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)who by night changes into his hero costune and reappears as "POLITICMAN", delivering himself of anti-Hillary screeds in Ariana Huffington's (you remember Ariana when she was a Republican) rag.