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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:18 AM Apr 2016

HuffPo:Release of Clinton’s Wall Street Speeches Could End Her Candidacy for President

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/release-of-clintons-wall-street-speeches_b_9698632.html



The reason you and I will never see the transcripts of Hillary Clinton’s speeches to Wall Street fat-cats — and the reason she’s established a nonsensical condition for their release, that being an agreement by members of another party, involved in a separate primary, to do the same — is that if she were ever to release those transcripts, it could end her candidacy for president.

Please don’t take my word for it, though.

Nor even that of the many neutral observers in the media who are deeply troubled by Clinton’s lack of transparency as to these well-compensated closed-door events — a lack of transparency that has actually been a hallmark of her career in politics.

Nor do we even need to take Clinton’s word for it — as we could certainly argue that her insistence that none of these transcripts ever be seen by the public is itself a confession that her words would cause significant trauma to her presidential bid.

In fact, it appears they’d cause enough trauma that Clinton would rather publicly stonewall — to the point of being conspicuously, uncomfortably evasive — in public debate after public debate, to endure damning editorial after damning editorial, and to leave thousands and thousands of voters further doubting her honesty and integrity, all to ensure that no one outside Goldman Sachs, and certainly no voter who wasn’t privy to those closed-door speeches, ever hears a word of what she said in them.
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HuffPo:Release of Clinton’s Wall Street Speeches Could End Her Candidacy for President (Original Post) LiberalElite Apr 2016 OP
She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Agschmid Apr 2016 #1
A frequent quandary for those who behave unethically & Mudcat Apr 2016 #7
Yeah, when you accept big money for big promises and then don't tell the truth about it, that highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #13
i take it you're against releasing ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #22
No she should release. Agschmid Apr 2016 #25
True HassleCat Apr 2016 #26
If there were nothing to hide she wouldn't be hiding them. Scuba Apr 2016 #2
Earth to Clinton Campaign - None of the GOP gave Paid Wall St Speeches FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #3
Well there ya go. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #5
More Proof Hillary is Morally Bankrupt - no wonder she wasn't invited to Vatican FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #8
Please, I would count it as a great favor SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #10
What I've been saying. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #4
Well...what do all the other English Professors say? brooklynite Apr 2016 #6
I have thought lately that maybe it's a red herring, or something like that pdsimdars Apr 2016 #9
That is a very good point. Please make this an OP. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #12
LOL, I love how Camp Sanders acts like these speeches are radioactive Illuminati texts Tarc Apr 2016 #11
Good read--we'll never see the transcripts until the GE if she makes it there. Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #14
She probably stroked Wall Street to some extent in the speeches.. speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #15
Actually, in this particular case I think she is. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #16
I agree with that.. speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #18
Oh no, absolutely not. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #28
What's to say she would release the actual transcripts? hopeforchange2008 Apr 2016 #17
Interesting point. Right up my paranoid alley. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #27
nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #21
It could. But it won't. n/t Triana Apr 2016 #23
I don't understand why the release... ReRe Apr 2016 #24
God, not more Seth Abramson, boy English teacher COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #29
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
13. Yeah, when you accept big money for big promises and then don't tell the truth about it, that
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

puts you in a really difficult situation. Especially when it becomes clear that the people who you'd like to support you aren't for the big money or the big promises.

Why don't you just come clean, Hillary, as to who you really are and who you really work for. You will find ways to give us crumbs, while taking away some of our essential Social Services all the same.

It's all just part of the NeoLiberal plan.

Oh, right, not coming clean and playing the bait and switch, those are trademarks too.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
25. No she should release.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

But I also attended of her 225k paid speeches and it was good, nothing offensive, and it's stupid that she isn't releasing them.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
26. True
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

She's probably better off refusing to release the transcripts and dodging questions about them.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
3. Earth to Clinton Campaign - None of the GOP gave Paid Wall St Speeches
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016
NONE of the Republican candidates have given paid speeches to Wall Street either - just Hillary


Rubio hasn’t given paid speeches to Wall st. Kasisch hasn’t given paid speeches to Wall Street, Cruz hasn’t given paid speeches to Wall Street and Trump IS Wall Street and certainly isn’t giving any paid speeches to them.

Time for Hillary to release the transcripts. She said she would release them AFTER every candidate has released theirs. Well it is done. They are released. It was a good bet while it lasted. Now she must own up to her promise and release them now.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/24/1490821/-NONE-of-the-Republican-candidates-have-given-paid-speeches-to-Wall-Street-either-just-Hillary

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
4. What I've been saying.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

And I don't think there's anything explosive in them. I think just the details of the footsie with the fat cats would do it.

Not that I think she'll ever release them - I don't. Because she knows what I've been saying is true.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
9. I have thought lately that maybe it's a red herring, or something like that
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe we are so focused on the transcripts that we are not paying attention to other things, like her foundation and its activities. I'm sure they are damaging, but what if we put all of our outrage into that ONE issue, and she released them and there was not much, or it wasn't career ending or whatever.

Then we couldn't really build up outrage with much credibility about something else or they'd say,"Here we go again." And they'd be right.

Let's at least start up other narratives now rather than have this be the only thing.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
11. LOL, I love how Camp Sanders acts like these speeches are radioactive Illuminati texts
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

All the transcript release would ever "prove" is Sanders' narrow-issue "big banks are yuuuuuuge", an issue which has not gained traction with the electorate.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
14. Good read--we'll never see the transcripts until the GE if she makes it there.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

And she won't be releasing them--it will come from the other side...

Simply indefensible.

Lest anyone suspect that Clinton doesn’t release the transcripts because she’s not permitted to do so under a non-disclosure agreement, think again: Buzzfeed has confirmed that Clinton owns the rights to the transcripts, and notes, moreover, that according to industry insiders even if there were speeches to which Clinton did not hold the rights, no institution on Wall Street would allow themselves to be caught trying to block their release.


speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
15. She probably stroked Wall Street to some extent in the speeches..
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

but it would probably be an exaggeration to say it would end her candidacy.

Bad judgment to take their money, but she's not stupid.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
16. Actually, in this particular case I think she is.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

She knew perfectly well she would be running for president and should have known how this would look. She could have simply refrained.

Then again, of course, the political climate was a lot different then.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
18. I agree with that..
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

its not like she and Bill didn't have plenty of money already.

But I don't think she's on video promising them no regulation.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
19. Oh no, absolutely not.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

But I do think just the details of the footsie with the fat cats would sink her, rightly or wrongly. I present in evidence the mere fact that she won't release them.

Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #16)

 

hopeforchange2008

(610 posts)
17. What's to say she would release the actual transcripts?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

Cleansed versions are probably being scribed right now.

Response to hopeforchange2008 (Reply #17)

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
21. nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. I don't understand why the release...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

... of these speeches is even an issue. When the President names a Supreme Court nominee, aren't the candidate's papers and speeches poured over by Senate staffers in preparation for the hearing and the vote? Why is HRC any different? Why does she get special treatment? If the title of the HuffPo article is true, then should she even be a nominee? If one hides something from the American People, should he/she even be considered as a nominee?

I say no. If you are hiding something, then you can't be trusted to be the President of the United States of America or any other position as a public servant of this land. It's a form of dishonesty right off the bat.

I'm afraid what we would see in these transcripts is the fact that she is much more in the pocket of Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Business than she should be. Perhaps she speaks about the TPP, about Energy, etc, which she won't or "can't" divulge to the American people. WhoTF knows.

I almost think this election should come to a stop until some of these questions are answered. The e-mail controversy, the withheld speeches, what else is up in the air with HRC? How is it alright for us to continue with an election, when one of the two candidates is being investigated and is deliberately hiding information from the public?

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
29. God, not more Seth Abramson, boy English teacher
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

who by night changes into his hero costune and reappears as "POLITICMAN", delivering himself of anti-Hillary screeds in Ariana Huffington's (you remember Ariana when she was a Republican) rag.

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