Bernie's Pope pandering is an amazing thing

[bigtree]

...it's one weird spectacle, one of the all-time looney campaign stunts.

DAYS before the NY primary which is a MUST WIN for Sanders, he's nowhere to be found in the state. He's off globetrotting to the Vatican to MEET THE POPE!

After a few clerical feints and some Papal dodges, the two actually met! Who knew he would pull this stunt off? Not me.

But, this is the thing, pretending this wasn't a campaign stunt is as flighty as the podium bird. The campaign funds spent on the joy ride should tell supporters to ixnay on the talk about some grand purpose. I'm still not clear how this is a justified, legitimate expenditure of campaign funds, but I'd think you could get away with it by saying it was a chance for Bernie to show off his international relations chops. A textbook demonstration on how to rope a Pope who already said nope.

But look, you have to step back from the temporary buzz that one might get from witnessing this event - a buzz not unlike the joyful anxiety that comes with watching a baby take a few steps and just as quickly falls back down again on its tush - step back and ask yourself what the heck anyone other than Sanders is supposed to get from this, much less the NY'ers who are poised to vote for one of our two candidates.

On it's face, the message evident here is that Sanders has the ability and will to reach out to the Vatican, get an invite, and, by God, meet the Pope. That was pretty impressive, I think, watching from a distance. You hope he wasn't an imposition on the Vatican, you know, hanging around the church lobby waiting to jump out and....well, that probably didn't happen, did it?

Oh well, congrats anyway, I guess. The implications of this are...unknown at this time. I think it's like the podium bird; you either see deep meaning in the spectacle, or you're just puzzled and bemused like me.

Oh, btw, Hillary was out and about in NY visiting Latino homes in Harlem at the same time Bernie was going all messianic. Go figure.

[ibegurpard]

1. Haha after all your lies

He actually DID meet the Pope.
Eat it.

[Armstead]

29. LOL -- succinct political analysis

"Eat it"......(I do share the sentiment)

[panader0]

93. Yup!

[DemocracyDirect]

2. Her pandering to millionaires and billionaires in California seems further out of line.

But that's just my opinion.

[bigtree]

4. right

...leave the sackcloth over your eyes.

Nothing to see here.

[DemocracyDirect]

7. That's a nice picture of a Bernie supporter in Rome.

What's your point about sackcloth over eyes?

[bigtree]

31. over the top?

...I thought you might already be mourning Bernie's failed campaign and the religious reference was irresistible.

[DemocracyDirect]

36. What are you talking about?

Only one candidate here has run a failed campaign and its Hillary Clinton.
She might even be working on her second failed campaign.

[bigtree]

40. too soon?

...

[DemocracyDirect]

43. Too late for you.

Do they pay some people here by the post? How can I get into that racket?

[panader0]

94. What ever happened to you?

[bigtree]

96. there's that condescending baiting again

...is that an acquired tactic, or is it textbook?

[tk2kewl]

39. the Holy Trinity of neocons and neolibs:

[MoonRiver]

46. Do you think those 2.4 million more votes she has than Bernie are millionaires and billionaires?

[Autumn]

86. She won the early south states. She'll lose that lead you are so proud of as it goes on. nt

[Hoyt]

3. I'm sure his staff were begging for a meeting right up until the last minute.

[Uponthegears]

8. Non Catholic huh?

You do know the difference between
JP I I and Francis, don't you?

Maybe not.

[TheBlackAdder]

15. Does he know the difference between Pres. William J. Clinton's prominence and the First Lady?

[Hoyt]

19. The Pope is the Pope. Clinton has met with the Pope more times than Sanders, and for longer.

[Uponthegears]

27. Case rests

Actually the charge should be amended from not being Catholic to not knowing world history.

[Armstead]

34. But,but,but she's running on her own....Not as a former first lady

or was that last week?

[Hoyt]

59. And she's 68 year old woman. I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of distinctions in an effort

to claim Sanders' brief meeting -- even if his staff had to beg for it -- was divine, and her's were not.

[Armstead]

63. It wasn't divine. Just something Bernie wanted to do.

Better to address this on the shallow level of a cheap shot, than to bother looking into why sanders has had a long time interest in social and economic justice -- including in Latin America.

Political disagreement is fine. But moronic little cheap shot politics is....Well that's why so many people have become jaded and don't give a rats ass which party is in power , or which candidates are in office.

[Hoyt]

66. And

?w=600

[Armstead]

71. I'm sure he was seeking to bask in her spiritual glow, and gain her metaphysical wisdom

[roguevalley]

73. I'm waiting for the picture where HRC walks on water with Jesus. Don't think they aren't looking for

it. Sad sacks.

[Cha]

70. It wasn't even a "meeting", Hoyt.. "it was a handshake, nothing more"..

Pope: "When I came down, he introduced himself, I greeted him with a handshake, and nothing more"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1752998

We got it straight from the Pope's mouth.. no BS.

[panader0]

98. Wait Cha--I got banned from the Hillary group this morning

on a thread where you said there was no meeting. So, which is it? There was a meeting, however brief?
Or do you just like banning people? The real bs is from you guys. Rank hypocrisy.

[Buns_of_Fire]

57. Sorry, that one's already taken.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1751724

I suggest going for the gusto with something like "We know that they took turns torturing a cute little kitten and then ate it raw with Hollandaise Sauce."

[karynnj]

61. Which Pope and when - Pope Francis became the Pope in 2013.

I do not recall that she was at any of his DC, Philadelphia or NYC events. I do know - and can link to - facts that he did meet the Obamas, the Bidens, and that he shook only one hand in Congress - John Kerry's. (John and Teresa also briefly met him before he flew to the next stop and Kerry has regularly spoken to his foreign minister, who he met on a 2013 visit to the Vatican before Obama's. I don't think that the Vatican was one of the 131 countries HRC visited.

[The Old Lie]

56. I'm Jewish, and I even remember JP2

and his Youth Day visit in '93.

Pope Rat had that nasty look.

Pope Francis seems to be a nice and simple man. Definitely not a Black Sabbath fan.

[Hoyt]

65. I do like the current Pope.

[angstlessk]

52. The Pope meeting presidents ain't special...check it out

Woodrow Wilson Pope Benedict XV
Dwight D. Eisenhower Pope John XXIII
John F. Kennedy Pope Paul VI
Lyndon B. Johnson Pope Paul VI
Lyndon B. Johnson Pope Paul VI
Richard Nixon Pope Paul VI
Richard Nixon Pope Paul VI
Gerald Ford Pope Paul VI
Jimmy Carter Pope John Paul II
Jimmy Carter Pope John Paul II
Ronald Reagan Pope John Paul II
Ronald Reagan Pope John Paul II
Ronald Reagan Pope John Paul II
Ronald Reagan Pope John Paul II
George H. W. Bush Pope John Paul II
George H. W. Bush Pope John Paul II
Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
Barack Obama Pope Benedict XVI
Barack Obama Pope Francis
Barack Obama Pope Francis

[Uponthegears]

5. Do you need a tissue?

[bigtree]

11. oh, my

...the bern! It berns!

[frylock]

75. It sounds like you might need a Tucks medicated pad.

[HassleCat]

6. Wow! This really, REALLY got under your skin!

A campaign stunt. My goodness! A candidate puling a candidate maneuver. I bet your candidate would never stoop to that level. Like telling Latinos in Harlem she was going to get them a $10k down payment so they could all buy houses. Like saying she was simultaneously for and against the $15 wage.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. You got it shoved right back in your face.

And we'll do it every time someone tells another dirty fucking lie.

[bigtree]

16. no one really cares

...because it's meaningless to anyone outside of Sanders' acolytes.

What a performance.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

17. Untrue. You and many others made a HUGE and dishonest issue out of something that shouldn't have

been an issue.

Lies were told, smears were made. And all of you were one hundred percent REPUDIATED. Bring some more to the wood chipper when you feel ready.

[bigtree]

25. that's the Sanders go-to

...this was phony from the get-go and you should be embarrassed.

I won't hold my breath though. Phony campaign stunt indistinguishable from phony revolution.

[ibegurpard]

18. Apparently you do

Since you're composing OPs about it. It gives me warm fuzzies to imagine how much this bugs you.

[frylock]

76. Thus post after post after post about this event from you.

Because no one really cares. I don't even think you're fooling yourself at this point.

[lumberjack_jeff]

91. The fact that they keep sticking their faces right back out there...

... is surprisingly masochistic.

[TheBlackAdder]

10. Jesus Christ! Give this a rest. You were proven foolish in other posts, but you keep going--whining.

.


Have some pride.


I'm going to be stuck reading a bunch of whining posts all day, nothing but butthurt!


.

[Kip Humphrey]

22. follow the $12/hr money... pride is irrelevant.

[Autumn]

12. Oh, btw, Hillary was out and about in California raising 15 million for

her campaign. One does not "hang around the church lobby waiting to jump out and meet the Pope" as you implied. There's more security around the Pope than there is around Clinton making promises in her little private speeches to Wall Street.

[Beaverhausen]

26. Raising money for her and for other democrats

Something Bernie seems to have no interest in doing. Good luck getting anything done without a Democratic Congress.

[Autumn]

37. A lot of Bernie Supporters are donating money to those he has endorsed. nt

[Zynx]

51. Electing a Democratic majority requires a lot more than waiting for his endorsement.

He has endorsed three house candidates. Three.

[tabasco]

87. What would the current crop of DNC/Hillary Democrats know about "electing a Democratic majority?"

Not a goddamn thing. But they can tell you all about losing majorities.

[bigtree]

58. funny, it did sorta look that way

...cue, SNL.

This morning as I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” Francis said. “He knew I was coming out at that time, and he had the kindness to greet me.”

“When I came down, he introduced himself, I greeted him with a handshake, and nothing more,” the pope added.

http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2016/04/16/pope-francis-calls-sanders-greeting-only-common-courtesy/

...omg.

[Autumn]

81. It's going to come out that someone is putting a spin on that like the last time

with that nasty woman. Bernie doesn't do spinning or lie. omg

[bigtree]

92. who put out the 'moral economy' tale?

[jmg257]

13. "Sanders has the ability and will to reach out to the Vatican, get an invite, and, by God

meet the Pope".



Bernie, the Bird Whisperer, Bernie the Pope Whisperer..


Hey, don't have a sadz, I'm sure Hill is having a great time in the Bay Area with the Clooneys!

[bigtree]

23. I do wish I was in California

...but the Pope stuff is just for true believers. Not a fan.

[jmg257]

24. Oh understood - but the poutrage is/was so fun to watch! nt

[Onlooker]

20. The messianic complex of his supporters may be spilling onto him ...

... We'll see if he thinks he has supernatural support on the way he handles if concession, if he loses.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Moar butthurt ops please!

[Autumn]

42. Loving these chapped ass OPs

[beam me up scottie]

45. Me too! And the pathetic excuses, he AMBUSHED the pope!

Um no the Vatican confirmed the meeting was planned.

Why weren't there any pictures, it obviously never happened!!!

Um the Vatican doesn't allow pics in the residence.

Well who cares anyway? We never said we cared, you guys were the ones who made a big deal out of it!!!


It's like watching a collective temper tantrum.

[Autumn]

83. And the latest bullshit from "pope" on the plane that they are so tickled about.

[beam me up scottie]

85. All we need to do is keep repeating Bernie met the pope.

[pinebox]

28. Meanwhile in America

Hillary is busy holding those rally's, attracting huge crowds.

[PufPuf23]

30. Petty and pathetic OP. eom

[LexVegas]

32. He stalked the Pope in the lobby.

[CoffeeCat]

33. I think everyone should Tweet out this post, and put it on their Facebook

This really needs to go viral.

This ridiculous screed needs to be on full display--as an example of how Hillary Clinton supporters think and behave--in all of its off-the-wall, dim-witted glory.

[tabasco]

35. Your butthurt is even more amazing. n/t

[Uponthegears]

38. Oh, and as for Hillary

Insulting the intelligence of poor elderly Latino voters . . .What policies does Secretary Clinton support that help elderly Latinos in housing projects?

Is it the welfare reform bill?
Is it the crime bill?
Is it the death penalty?
Is it the Honduran coup that has resulted in what is, in practical terms, a virtual genocide of indigenous peoples?
Is it her "just so long as they don't offend white folks' values" racial justice proposals she is offering people like me?

Or do you just figure they should be grateful that she played a game of dominoes?

I mean, we can see what she and the Clinton Foundation have done for the folks with $$$$$ and it isn't just playing dominoes, so what is it?

[QC]

41. And if Hillary had gotten to go to the Vatican, speak before a distinguished crowd,

and meet the pope, you guys would be genuflecting so hard your kneecaps would shatter.

No one is fooled by any of this, by posters who shat on LGBT people here for years suddenly overcome with concern for us, by people with twelve hides pretending to get the vapors over incivility, and all the rest of the grotesquely cynical performances we have been seeing this past week.

[bigtree]

47. I think she might have been drummed out of the campaign by Bernie folks

...I'm trying as hard as I can to imagine that.

In the middle of her NY campaign, she suddenly produces this 'invite' from the Vatican which turns out to be less than that."I'm meeting with the Pope" to "Pope won't be meeting her." I think that would finish her.

I'm frankly amazed at the suspension of incredulity.

[QC]

72. Perhaps some of us find this credible because

Bernie has been consistent for decades on the issue of creating a moral economy.

He doesn't treat convictions like stickers than can be plastered on and peeled off according to the needs of the moment.

[bkkyosemite]

44. And she was off to the elitist ball in CA

[tk2kewl]

48. but he's ineffective and can't get anything done

he doesn't know how to make allies or build a movement. the revolution is non existent.

[cherokeeprogressive]

49. So is thread trashing. BYE!

[The Old Lie]

50. You're just pissed off that the Holy Father turned down the Clintons last year.

Your insane ramblings just confirms so.

Your candidate is pandering, and insulting everyone.

You will know the truth on Tuesday.

[bigtree]

53. the 'Holy Father'

...I don't call him that.

Clue.

[polly7]

54. He didn't pander on anything.

He attended a conference concerning issues he's cared about and fought for all his life.

Meeting the Pope was a bonus for him, as he'd said he wasn't sure if he would or not. Jane is RC, I imagine it meant a great deal to her.


So bitter.

[KittyWampus]

55. It was literally a "Kim Davis". We should haul out Sanders supporters' comments on that stunt...

When you have to have a campaign surrogate retroactively insert you into a conference and go through so much bullsh*t to pretend Sanders had a meeting w/the Pope on the level of the Republicans and Kim Davis, your campaign is pathetic.

Actually, Kim Davis got a photo with the Pope. So even the Republicans do better than the Sanders campaign.

[Stainless]

60. You Truly Need To Get A Life

IMHO - EOM

[bigtree]

62. hey

...you're on here shouting ALL IN CAPS at the person you say needs a life.

That can't be any good.

[jmousso75]

64. Bernie's Pandering is an amazing thing?

Really, Hillary visiting NY Latino homes in Harlem....now who's pandering. Then she ran off for a multi -thousand dollar fund raiser.......Hillary likes to brag that she was the senator from New York for 8 years......why didn't she visit then? She did shit for people in New York, especially upstate. I live in Buffalo and lived through her senate terms.......

Why are Hillary supporters so against the pope? Hillary could have asked for a visit, but I guess the Pope couldn't afford her speaking fees.

[Surya Gayatri]

67. K & R most enthusiastically.

[workinclasszero]

68. I gotta say that Tad is a f***in political GENIUS!

DAYS before the NY primary which is a MUST WIN for Sanders, he's nowhere to be found in the state. He's off globetrotting to the Vatican to MEET THE POPE!

[mcar]

69. K&R

[frylock]

74. Not nearly as amazing as your all-consuming obsession with this.

Enjoy your weekend.

[JonLeibowitz]

77. You seem pretty concerned. I have seen a lot more outrage from your side over it than promotion here

Perhaps you are trying to make up a new scandal to distract from the issues? That's what my money is on. The last faux outrage was the tax returns. That ended rather poorly for the easily outraged.

[larkrake]

78. what a hateful post

[Cha]

79. This is the latest but probably not the end of it..

On the Vermont senator, Francis said he greeted Sanders on Saturday morning as he was leaving the Santa Marta, the hotel within Vatican grounds where the pope lives.

Sanders was staying at the same residence, because that’s where all participants in the Vatican conference he attended on Friday were spending the night. The only exceptions were Presidents Evo Morales of Bolivia and Rafael Correa of Ecuador, who stayed at their country’s embassy in Rome.

“This morning as I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” Francis said. “He knew I was coming out at that time, and he had the kindness to greet me.”

“When I came down, he introduced himself, I greeted him with a handshake, and nothing more,” the pope added. “It’s common courtesy, this is called common courtesy.

“If someone thinks that greeting someone is getting involved in politics,” he said, “I recommend that they find a psychiatrist.”

http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2016/04/16/pope-francis-calls-sanders-greeting-only-common-courtesy/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1752998

[HooptieWagon]

80. Poutrage and butthurt.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

82. Want some bile to wash down the sour grapes?

[Katashi_itto]

84. A bigtree post. Trashing.

[SheenaR]

88. I never would have expected this from you

[Vinca]

89. Hillary was visiting Latino homes in Harlem?

Didn't you mean movie star homes in Los Angeles? LOL - she could buy all the Latino homes for the take from that fundraiser.

[ucrdem]

90. It's pretty funny any way you slice it.

Still a little humor is not a bad thing, and neither party seems worse for the wear, so props to the pandermeisters. But as stunts go this was a weird one.

[Romulox]

95. I agree. He should be pandering to GOLDMAN SACHS! nt

[pat_k]

97. DNFTEC!

Do
Not
Feed
The
Energy
Creatures!

[Cha]

99. KICK!