Does this Sanders Facebook Post's Image Seem Odd to You?

[MineralMan]

Here's an image that's posted on Bernie Sanders' Facebook page. Notice the campaign logo superimposed on the photo. You'll find a link to the page itself below the photo. This bothers me a lot. Placing a logo on a Reuters news photo seems over the top to me, for some reason. It implies permission and approval. I doubt that any such permission or approval was granted.



https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/photos/a.324119347643076.89553.124955570892789/1029290747125929/?type=3&theater

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. created and posted by a random bernie supporter

Unless you have evidence this was put out by the campaign, ya got nuthin

[QC]

2. Come now, he's Just Asking Questions. n/t

[JimDandy]

21. So many JAQ posts like that lately.

[QC]

35. So, so many. And so much concern. n/t

[JimDandy]

39. We need a new term for it...

Like "People who JAQ off don't know jack about it."

[northernsouthern]

54. Insinuquestion? or Questinuation? NT

[JimDandy]

62. LOL. Good ones!

[m-lekktor]

45. Passive-Agressive minds want to know.... nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

53. Jon Stewart used to call this the "Cavuto". Now it's "the Clinton Supporter". n/t

[MineralMan]

3. Nope. It's a post by the Sanders campaign.

Only the campaign can post on that page's timeline. Nobody else can. You're incorrect. Sorry.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

43. ok. now where's your evidence they didn't pay reuters for the photo?

[beedle]

59. OMG

Bernie supporters might support the homeless, the poor, and respecting everyone.

What a scandal ... what's next? Is there some secret investigation underway that proves Bernie called kittens cute?

Jesus Hillary supporters are such petty little cry babies.

[DrDan]

4. wow - is that ever presumptuous

[katsy]

5. What concern is it of ours as long as

The campaign has permission to use it.

I'm sure HRC can get her own pix.

I like SBS's message there.

[MineralMan]

8. Does the campaign have permission to use it?

I don't know that it does. Someone photoshopped the logo onto that photo, along with the Sanders swash.

[katsy]

13. They will be sued if they don't have permission.

Simple.

Sky's not falling chicken little.

[Segami]

19. Another faux outrage from MM?

[berniepdx420]

52. . the rantings of a desperate man... oh mineral you do make me chuckle

[restorefreedom]

71. the bernie campaign was the only one

to pay for extra security at campaign events. the other candidate has stiffed the municipalities.

http://nypost.com/2016/03/13/des-moines-police-department-waiting-on-a-check-from-hillary/


i doubt he would go rogue on a copyright issue. i am sure all the permissions have been obtained.

[femmedem]

6. I think it's similar to using an FDR quote or photo in an ad.

Or similar to using any quote and photo from a public figure.

It's a quote that Sanders agrees with, from a public person whom he admires.

Sanders has been very careful not to imply that Pope Francis endorses him.

[Scuba]

7. Let's see ... fake endorsement or immorality war speech /vote?

[Sky Masterson]

14. There is no reasonability here anymore

Anything to land a blow.

[Juicy_Bellows]

17. The things people notice eh?

[think]

10. The message presented being heard and considered concerns me. Prioritites I guess....

[JimDandy]

11. This is a legit concern if it was posted by his campaign. Hopefully

you made your concerns known to his campaign instead of just complaining on a forum on the internets.

[RufusTFirefly]

51. But that would defeat the whole purpose:

Which is FUD.

[JimDandy]

63. See #40.

[Fawke Em]

12. No. Why is quoting a world leader you agree with odd?

Average people on Facebook do it all day long.

[MFM008]

67. He put his LOGO on the picture

making it look like its approved by Francis and the Vatican.
A bit presumptuous Id say.

[Half-Century Man]

15. Did anyone ask Reuters?

Did anyone check with the Vatican or the Sanders campaign?

Other than doing volunteer work for the respective campaigns, I don't think any of us can speak for either campaigns in an official way.

[pat_k]

20. Stock photos like this are available for commercial use...

...from lots of places. As pointed out in reply below
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1754453

[Half-Century Man]

30. I was trying to say, as politely as possible,

Outrage here at DU isn't indicative of an actual scandal.


While I do not agree with MM as to the best choice in possible Democratic candidates, I do respect his opinions on 99% of all things Democratic and his calls to dial back on internal conflicts.

[pat_k]

36. Acknowledged.

I didn't mean to feed into "scandal" -- just wanted to point out that commercial use of a stock photo isn't an out of the ordinary thing.

[pat_k]

16. Plenty of stock images of pope for sale on shutterstock.

There are plenty of stock images of the pope on shutterstock. See below.

Reuters licenses photos for commercial use too.

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?lang=en&language=en&ref_site=photo&search_source=search_form&version=llv1&anyorall=all&safesearch=1&use_local_boost=1&autocomplete_id=&searchterm=pope+francis&show_color_wheel=1&orient=&commercial_ok=&media_type=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=

[DrDan]

18. just sent a note to the Vatican Embassy asking if an endorsement has been offered and sent the link

This is a serious breach and the Sanders campaign has overstepped.

[pat_k]

22. Not in any way, shape, or form

You seem to have forgotten about the stock photo industry.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1754453

[DrDan]

24. stock photos include "Bernie 2016"

and "BernieSanders.com" is right next to the Pope Francis attribution

An image clearly implying an endorsement

[pat_k]

29. We use stock photos in eLearning all the time...

... and the screen often has the logo of the entity sponsoring the training. These courses go through extensive legal review.

I just don't see the problem, but I'm sure you'll be hearing from the vatican soon. Keep us posted.

[DrDan]

32. do you put official logos on the stock photos implying a relationship that does not exist?

An entity sponsoring training would be a completely different circumstance, I would think.

But I am no lawyer.

[pat_k]

41. Hitting a grey area I guess.

I imagine that some of the people in the images we use wouldn't be thrilled about being related to Pfizer (yeah, last training I did was for "the dark side&quot , but I don't think they'd have grounds to object once the photo has been put out there for commercial use.

But, we don't tend to use public figures. You're probably right about the law not being black and white on the question of what constitutes misleading use of a photo of a public figure sold for commercial use. I'm not a lawyer either (although I played one in an 8 year long pro se case against our securitized mortgage trustee).

It really wasn't my intention to be snarky. I am interested in finding out if you hear anything back.

[Karma13612]

55. I think it's a good sign that

the photo gives proper credit to the photographer in the lower RT corner, and further, that the Sanders campaign credited the Pope for his quote.

I am optimistic that it is all good....

You seem to have had some interesting legal experiences thru work.

I love the law, but don't 'practice it' in my daily life or work. I am always disappointed when I am called for Jury duty and then get released without serving. I would love to serve, but with my luck it would either be something very boring, or something involving rape or child abuse, both of which I wouldn't be able to stomach.

Anyway, I hold out hope that Bernie is in the clear on this FB posting.

[DrDan]

68. I was asked to put my question to another contact - in writing instead of via email

I will do so tomorrow

[pat_k]

69. Thx for update!

[Karma13612]

46. And that is the operative phrase here:

But I am no lawyer.

I would find it hard to believe that the Sanders campaign is going about grabbing photos and quotes and creating FB postings using ill-gotten sources.

Last I knew, in this country, our actions are considered innocent until proven to be criminal.

If Sanders campaign overstepped, they will hear about it in short order, I'm sure.

[pat_k]

49. True

[lumberjack_jeff]

56. I would NEVER!!

I only use images that illustrate relationships that really do exist.

[JimDandy]

31. Actually the Sanders' logo on the Pope photo is interpreted to mean Sanders endorses the Pope

not the other way around. To make the interpretation you have, that the Pope is endorsing Sanders, it would have to be a photo of Sanders with the Pope's papal stamp on it

[DrDan]

33. you are probably correct - my interpretation might be complety off-base

still seems a bit presumptuous.

[Punkingal]

23. All I see here is Bernie endorsing the Pope's message.

I guess if I was given to passive-aggressive faux outrage I would see something else.

[pat_k]

25. Existence of stock photos

... or licensing of photos by Reuters, seems to have been lost in the feigned outrage.

If that image hadn't been selected, they could have gone with any of these from shutterstock. Or hundreds of others from other sources.

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?lang=en&language=en&ref_site=photo&search_source=search_form&version=llv1&anyorall=all&safesearch=1&use_local_boost=1&autocomplete_id=&searchterm=pope+francis&show_color_wheel=1&orient=&commercial_ok=&media_type=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=

[Fumesucker]

26. I realize now that your aim here is the same thing you claim to have done at FR

I'm still trying to decide if you're on my side and subtle as a serpent or on the other side and a bull in a china shop or perhaps just here for the grins, this has been an interesting primary and proves to get even more so.

Since you have a detectable sense of humor I'm starting to lean toward you are actually very subtle.

[Romulox]

37. You can take the poster out of the Free Republic, but you can't take the Freeper out of the poster.

Since you have a detectable sense of humor I'm starting to lean toward you are actually very subtle.

I've never seen it. Plenty that has been laughable from that one, however.

[Fumesucker]

40. Be vewy vewy quiet

I'm hunting wabbits...

[Romulox]

42. He is only *pretending* to be a daschund, my good man. He is really a majestic Great Dane!

(now excuse him as he continues to waddle on his stumpy "Great Dane" legs!)

[Karma13612]

48. holy-handgun, that is scary-larious.eom

[awake]

27. A great quote

Does Hillary have a quote from her close friend Henery Kishinger on her face book page promoting the next war?

[GeorgeGist]

28. Far less so than this one

Of course YMMV

[SusanCalvin]

34. I don't like it either. nt

[Romulox]

38. It's the words that you object to, not the logo. Quit pretending (is that even possible for you?) n

[jillan]

44. Quoting the Pope, a man Bernie has publicly praised & admired for years, is somehow odd?

Hmmmm.

Nope.

[workinclasszero]

47. Just another lie

from Camp Pinocchio.

[mcar]

50. I've seen it in many places on the web

It's very inappropriate.

[Kalidurga]

57. Thank you that is a beautiful quote from the Pope nice picture too.

[melman]

58. .

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[bettyellen]

60. I'm sure we all knew he was going to exploit the "meeting" or greeting....

[Chemisse]

61. It strikes me as odd.

As though the Bernie campaign were trying to hang onto the coattails of a popular pope.

If it were a picture of Sanders himself, with the Pope's quote underneath it, it would seem more appropriate, as though Bernie's own philosophy was bolstered by the Pope's words.

No big deal though. It's certainly not an indictment of Bernie in any way, and probably is a result of someone in his campaign being just a little tone deaf.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. MineralMan?

Seriously?

[RufusTFirefly]

65. This is Hugh! I'm Series!!

Please let us know ASAP what you find out, so we can shut down our computers and get on with our lives.

Keep up the good work!

Here's a cookie.

[Hiraeth]

66. dude, you are so lame.

[NurseJackie]

70. A Bernie supporter claimed it was Photoshopped

... fake (presumably to embarrass Bernie) ... I guess it's real after all.

It's misleading ... like those tv ads that suggested newspaper endorsements that never happened.

[postatomic]

72. I'm guessing that 'rights' were obtained

To obtain a clean image (without watermarks). This photo is from 2013 and not every guideline required by Reuters was followed. Nothing that would throw The Sandman in jail, but there are some ethical issues. I've contacted the Photographer to hopefully get the skinny on this.

[Surya Gayatri]

73. Purposefully misleading juxaposition of a popular Pope's pic with a political campaign's logo.

Dubious taste and ethics.