2016 Postmortem
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Of wall street is now off the table. Half of the Democratic base has now been labeled as extremist wanting to murder people on wall street by the Democratic party. I haven't seen liberals attacked with such hate since the Bush administration was in office.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts).99center
(1,237 posts)Why isn't the Democratic leadership condemning this type of language against their own voters? Is this what we can expect if Hillary wins the primary? Trump and Hillary going back and forth about liberals destroying our country?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He said the voters want to shoot 1/3 of wall street and have them gone. It does feel like Bernie wants wall street gone. He takes it way way over board.. in a way it makes people assume he wants to do away with it. It's almost all he talks about.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If Bill -- $191 Million -- Clinton wants to equate trying to rectify that with shooting people....Well, fuck him.
.99center
(1,237 posts)"I think it's fine that all these young students have been so enthusiastic for her opponent, and it sounds so good, just shoot every third person on Wall Street and everything will be fine."
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)but it is what it seems.. Bernie people seem to want Wall street completely gone. Hillary has taken money from wall street but the percentage is such a small amount of her income and y'all still flip the fuck out over it. So you hate wall street and want it eliminated is all I can conclude. I do feel severely attacked as a democrat by the BernieCrats.. I feel like they hate me Hillary than they do Trump and Cruz. They can not prove quid pro quo regarding Hillary but they insinuate it everyday. When Bernie lies he is a a politician and all is well... I am now in fighting mode. I feel like I need to fight FOR the democratic party. NO way in hell would I ever associate myself with Bernie's revolution OR the people that agree with it for that matter. They're worse than Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. They hate me, they hate US democrats.. that is what they are showing us. THEY are showing us that.. we do not have to say it. THEY say it. OK. I'm up, and willing to stand up and fight against you that hate me... What else can I do? Give in? Fuck no.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)*We don't want Wall Street gone..just well regulated and paying its fair share of taxes
*Hillary and her money from Wall Street.. research a list her speaking fees since leaving the state department.. oh and how much money she and bill have raised in the last 40 years... and compare that to Bernie's list... and you tell me who has bought access and to whom
*Don't hate and don't want to eliminate WS.. your conclusion was predetermined by your allegiance
*We don't hate you or hillary... we are running against you for the Nomination and we feel like it is the most important political thing we have done in our life time
*As far as quid pro qout.. seriously.. you don't see the imbalance in our system. Just research our history and our current concentration of wealth.. and Citizen's United..
*What has Bernie lied about?
*Worse than Karl and Dick.. well there it is.. maybe you aren't a Liberal or a Progressive then.. you could possible be a Third Wayer.. and you might have more in common with the center right that the Democratic center and left
*I don't hate you.. but we too are Democrats.. you do not get to define us
*We don't ask you to give in or give up.. we ask you to open your eyes.. research.. understand our situation as a nation..
Peace to you and yours
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Most of the people who have voted for him so far have ignored down ticket races.
I am holding 7 voter pamphlet conferences in apartment complexes in East Portland and Gresham. Ron Wyden has to go. He says the housing problems are the fault of drug addicts. Portlanders know that is not true. It's so much deeper than that.. starting with the gentrification on Historic Mississippi, Alberta and other N Portland areas. Blacks were pushed to the
East side. Who is there now? Hipster liberal elites right? I want to talk about that. I also want to make sure Multnomah county police chief resigns, or retires. He is one racist SOB. Dan Stanton.. If you don't know the horrific crap he has been involved in you should google. He wants to APPOINT his successor which of course he will choose another racist just like him. Even in a liberal city like PDX, a lot of issues on the ballot need to be voted on and the community needs to be informed. THAT is what Hillary supporters do... Bernie supporters for the most part do not
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Wyden.. You have to understand hillary represents the establishment.. they are established and have co-opted most if not all of the local and state level Governments. This is a revolution and it isn't going to happen overnight.. it will take some time ... think about it...
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Jeff Merkley endorsed Bernie. He is the only senator that has. He is a very good senator so I was NOT mad at him for that endorsement. Many ( not all) Bernie supporters would have bombarded an endorsers social media if Senators of their state do not endorse how they wish. Ron Wyden on the homeless problem did in fact blame drug addicts. The truth is Portland has become a desirable city to live in. Rent has skyrocketed as a result leaving many poor homeless. These are issues I think the community needs to be more informed about. I am doing my part but I am only one person. With all the attention Bernie is getting.. I see it as a good opportunity to get this racist Sheriff replaced ASAP. It's long over due. I can not believe we still have this idiot running LIBERAL Multnomah County police dept. If Bernie and his supporters really want progress why are they NOT educating the locals how important these issues are to vote on? We Hillary supporters are doing that. Look what red states are doing regarding LGBT and abortion.. You can rally votes for Bernie and urge the importance of changing local laws at the same time. I do not understand why that is not happening. Please read this..
http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-justice-investigation-accusations-multnomah-sheriff-staton/
This is his sister trying to excuse his behavior..
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/03/sheriff_dan_statons_sister.html
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/19/multnomah-county-sheriff-dan-staton-laid-off-analyst-who-wrote-report-showing-higher-use-of-force-against-black-inmates/
http://koin.com/2016/02/03/chief-deputy-mult-co-sheriff-fat-shamed/
See, I do not understand why Sanders does not use his popularity to JOIN us democrats in organizing committees to get these changes done. Hillary campaign here locally does and the money she is raising is going towards fighting these important issues. Wouldn't it be great to work together and ponce these idiots into the unemployment line? Sanders seems uninterested and that makes me question his motives. I feel like he bashes and criticizes what we are doing and I don't understand that.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)this.. it's not long at it gets to the problem with your argument to keep voting for the establishment president
Nearly Half Of All Super-PAC Money Comes From Fifty People
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It's NOT about Hillary or Bernie. It's about OUR state you and I share. I am willing to hear out your view IF you are willing to read my links on our local issues. They're important.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)sent to you.. chat latter
Armstead
(47,803 posts)that his approach to politics is exactly what you are talking about.
These are about housing but he took the same approach on many issues -- get the community involved, build coalitions, and make sure people are represented and part of decisions and actions.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/metropolis/2016/01/bernie_sanders_made_burlington_s_land_trust_possible_it_s_still_an_innovative.html
METROPOLIS
THE CITIES OF TODAY AND TOMORROW.JAN. 19 2016 5:30 AM
How Bernie Sanders Made Burlington Affordable
As the citys mayor in the 1980s, he championed an unusual model of publicly supported housing. Its still working.
By Jake Blumgart
....Within two years, his family owned a home in a small town just to the east of the city. The Robbins family bought its home through a conventional realtor and a commercial bank while also entering a covenant with the land trust to lease the land their home sits upon. This reduced the costs of their mortgage and down payment substantially.
Theyre far from alone. Across the land trusts portfolio today, there are about 565 other homes that enjoy similar terms, not to mention 2,100 rental and cooperative units. Half of these holdings are located within the city of Burlington itself, which had a total of 16,897 housing units as of 2010, meaning that about 7.6 percent of the stock sits on the nonprofits land.
We dont understand why housing isnt done this way everywhere, says Robbins, who says the cheaper mortgage allowed his family to save money for college and retirement that otherwise would have gone toward housing. Its just such a logical thing to have land owned by a community and the house be your private property to do with as you wish. Weve just had a terrific life here so far because of it.
The man largely responsible for this good fortune? Bernie Sanders.
While mayor of Burlington in the 1980s, the democratic-socialist senator and current contender for the Democratic presidential nomination was an early champion of community land trusts. Today, the organization whose creation he made possiblenow called the Champlain Housing Trustis the largest and most influential of its type in the nation.
Community land trusts are nonprofit organizations, with a board composed of representatives of the public, the local government, and the tenants, that obtain land and either develop it themselves or lease it to developers. The trust then removes its holdings from the private market, usually through 99-year ground leases and pre-emptive purchase requirements that limit how much the house can be sold for. Community land trust boosters argue that this not only ensures permanent affordability, but allows the organization to intercede in the case of, say, a foreclosure. An oft-cited study by the Lincoln Institute of Land Policy showed that, as of 2010, homeowners within a land trust were 10 times less likely to default on their homes than their private-market counterparts
Fighting for residents of affordable housing
http://portside.org/2015-06-05/bernies-burlington-what-kind-mayor-was-bernie-sanders
Bernie pounded his fist on the conference table in his office and told the owners, Over my dead body are you going to displace 336 working families. You are not going to convert Northgate into luxury housing, recalled Davis, who was Sanderss key housing aide.
Under Sanderss leadership, the city adopted a number of laws to stifle the owners plans. One ordinance required apartment owners to give residents two years notice before a condo conversion. Others gave residents a pre-emptive right to buy the units and prohibited landlords from bulldozing buildings unless they replaced them with the same number of affordable units. (These measures lowered the selling price of the property.) Sanders then worked with the state government and Senator Patrick Leahy to get the $12 million needed to purchase and rehabilitate the buildings. The city allocated funds to help the tenants hire an organizer, form the Northgate Residents Association, and start the process of converting the complex to resident ownership. Today, Northgate Apartments is owned by the tenants and has long-term restrictions to keep the buildings affordable for working families......
.99center
(1,237 posts)You don't make that type of joke if you have any respect or understanding of why people were marching in the street for wall street reform. Were not fighting for a candidate, were fighting to preserve the principles that Democrats stand for. Were fighting for a party that dismiss's right wing policy's that hurt our country and our fellow man.
"NO way in hell would I ever associate myself with Bernie's revolution OR the people that agree with it for that matter."
This is what Bill's and Hillary's personal attacks on Bernie supporters is creating.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He has excluded himself from democrats admits it. Therefore, he is excluding me. How else am I suppose to feel? He is against Obama, Hillary, and many democratic policies.
.99center
(1,237 posts)The Bernie campaign. Random posters on the internet aren't Bernie Sanders. Let me know when he or his wife labels you as a murderer.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)way way over board on this wall street stuff. It's so over board that it is very easy to assume Bernie wants all of wall street gone.. MY opinion.
.99center
(1,237 posts)The Glass-Steagall Act? Was FDR an extremist set on burning down wall street in your opinion?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I don't agree with the extreme obsession.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Center-right bullshit...
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)the values of the FDR party. Hillary has none of those values.