A brokered Democratic Convention?

[SHRED]

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[msongs]

1. why not? get the pope to mediate. he has experience promoting one of the candidates by default nt

[villager]

2. Bitter much?

[artislife]

81. Watching the h side implode into a quivering goo of hate

is pretty funny.

[jonno99]

3. It's going to happen...nt

[dana_b]

17. yes it is.

And it won't be some big, joyous thing when the nominee is chosen. Almost half of the delegates will be pissed off - no matter who wins.

[CorporatistNation]

74. So Where's The Democracy In "Democracy?"

Let's let all hell break loose... It may solve some problems...

[awake]

4. If Hillarry gets indicted before the convention then the establishment will go to Joe B.

I am afraid that the fix is in and it will be hard to undue not impossible but not easy.

[WhenTheLeveeBreaks]

52. They may go with Elizabeth Warren in order to keep the peace

Past Joe and Elizabeth, I can't imagine any other name.

[polichick]

55. They can try but the people might not accept it.

[WhenTheLeveeBreaks]

57. Hillary's pledged delegates and the supers will only be thinking about 1 question

Who can beat the GOP nominee.

I just don't think they think Bernie can.

[polichick]

58. They should consider that Bernie does better against all of the Republicans...

and a significant number of his voters won't vote for a corporate "Dem."

[CorporatistNation]

75. I Would Agree That Joe Is The "Fallback" Of Choice! PTB Cannot Allow Bernie To Be Dem Nominee!

[cantbeserious]

5. IMHO - Should HRC Be Nominated - The Party Will Splinter - With Young Voters Going Elsewhere

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[hack89]

8. If the young voters were a factor Bernie would be winning.

staking a political revolution on the demographic that is least likely to vote was a huge mistake.

[cantbeserious]

10. Young Voters Become Older Voters Over Time - Something The DNC Seems To Forget

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[hack89]

12. Doesn't mean they carry their youthful political beliefs forward

remember - all of Hillary's supporters were also young once.

[cantbeserious]

16. Doesn't Mean They Don't

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[hack89]

19. But they won't represent a serious threat to the political status quo going forward

if they are not willing to put in the effort now then it is hard to imagine them changing things in the future.

[cantbeserious]

21. Mighty Presumptious And Arrogant Comment To Make About The Future

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[hack89]

23. I have seen more populist "revolutions" then I care to admit.

it was not a difficult prediction.

[cantbeserious]

25. Mighty Presumptious And Arrogant Comment To Make About The Future

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[hack89]

40. I understand your frustration

Losing is never easy.

Have a good evening.

[cantbeserious]

41. Mighty Presumptuous And Arrogant Comment To Make About Someone That You Don't Know

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[hack89]

42. No. You are an easy read. nt

[cantbeserious]

43. Mighty Presumptuous And Arrogant Comment To Make About Someone That You Don't Know

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[hack89]

45. And getting easier by the minute nt

[cantbeserious]

46. Mighty Presumptuous And Arrogant Comment To Make About Someone That You Don't Know

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[hack89]

47. But you certainly leave some strong hints. nt

[cantbeserious]

49. Mighty Presumptuous And Arrogant Comment To Make About Someone That You Don't Know

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[COLGATE4]

61. You're repeating yourself a lot. Could be

a symptom of something. Better get it checked.

[cantbeserious]

65. Mighty Presumptuous And Arrogant Comment To Make About Someone That You Don't Know

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[COLGATE4]

66. Now you're really beginning to sound like a

stuck record. You probably need some new material.

[cantbeserious]

69. Mighty Presumptuous And Arrogant Comment To Make About Someone That You Don't Know

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[fun n serious]

11. They are not reliable voters.

They're mostly green party and were never democrats. We're not losing what we never had..

[XemaSab]

31. "Young voters" under 45? 55? 65?

I've seen numbers coming out of some states that Hillary's only leading among people over 65. That's a really bad sign.

[cantbeserious]

36. Agreed Completely

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[MFM008]

53. what crap

im under 60
my son is 32
my sons girlfriend is a HRC delegate shes 33.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

84. Goody for you. Did you actually think that national statistics are based on your own family?

I hope you're sitting down, because that's not actually how statistics are compiled.

[basselope]

85. Yes, a very small % of young people support the establishment.

[basselope]

83. This ^^^^

It's an interesting time b/c BOTH political parties are on the verge of shattering.

[fun n serious]

6. If Hillary has more pledged delegates

and more popular votes.. Bernie will be FORCING his way to the White House against the will of the voters. YES he is that selfish and WILL try it. HIM, HIM, HIM.. who cares about the will of the voters. His followers are the same.. MORE pledged delegates and more popular votes is NOT a Corrupt system... but everything is corrupt to him in a paranoid delusional way.

[Half-Century Man]

7. It seems to be a sound strategy.

[fun n serious]

9. You are ok with winning with less delegated and less votes?

please explain..

[Half-Century Man]

24. Considering the fluid nature of Primary politics.

You win as many as possible.
If you are facing an rigged system (both in mass media and questionable processes), a good "plan B" is to maintain a healthy margin and get to a place where the mass media stops being a factor and the process is straightforward campaigning on the issues.

Bernie Sanders is in this to win it. Relying on a single plan is poor planning.

[Agschmid]

13. Not a bad strategy but if the supers overturn the pledged delegates I'm done.

And yes I'm talking from a place of privilege.

And FWIW I think there should be no super delegates and we should all push actively against them for the next primary.

[JimDandy]

51. Yep. n/t

[RobertEarl]

70. Supers are great

They can all vote for Bernie and save the party and make sure we keep the presidency. I am all for the supers idea.

But! any who have already decided should be eliminated and replaced with real democrats.

[Beacool]

77. Me too.

I will vote for the Democratic nominee, but only if the will of the people is not subverted. The person who goes to the convention with the most pledged delegates should be the nominee. If the super delegates all of the sudden lose their minds and nominate the candidate with less pledged delegates, then I will stay home. That's not democracy, that's a banana republic election.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Shades of '68 when we got stuck with Humpty.

[dana_b]

18. Humpty and Hillary

lol.. sorry. That just struck me as funny (although its anything BUT funny).

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. It wasn't meant to be funny but I like black humor and laughter.

[dana_b]

22. good one!

Yeah, me too. I just had a picture in my mind of Humpty and Hillary sitting on that wall. He fell and I think her great fall is coming soon.

[cantbeserious]

37. Excellent - Captures Sentiments Well

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[Skink]

15. We'll never know the popular vote total

Due to caucus states and states with closed primaries.

[SHRED]

26. Then what are they basing the "2.5 million more votes" on?

I've always wondered that.

[geek tragedy]

27. We know the exact number of voters in closed primaries.

There is not a single metric by which Sanders can claim he is the legitimate nominee.

[Romulox]

29. There is no "popular vote total" in the primaries. The very idea is a ploy to sway L.I.V.s. nt

[geek tragedy]

28. There will be no contested convention.

Pledged delegate winner is the nominee. End of discussion.

[Romulox]

30. Factually incorrect on its face (but then, what's new?) nt

[geek tragedy]

32. pledged delegate winner has been nominee 100% of the time.

That streak will not end this year. Contested convention talk is performance art by Sanders campaign plus it helps squeeze some donations from some gullible people.

Sanders has a tiny path to victory that will completely cease to exist before May Day.

[Romulox]

33. There's a bead of sweat on your upper lip...

[geek tragedy]

34. No, it's annoyance with crazy talk. nt

[Romulox]

35. Maybe putting *yourself* on ignore might help? nt

[geek tragedy]

38. Sorry. I know those in the Not Hillary party

are in the grieving process, but she will be the nominee.

[Romulox]

39. *That* took you 30 minutes to come up with? Truly, I am in the presence of a great mind.

[Recursion]

68. But even a super delegate defection wouldn't be "brokered"

You just really can't have a "brokered" convention with two candidates: one is going to win the first ballot. You'd need to have all the supers voting for Chafee or O'Malley or something to go on to a brokered convention.

[geek tragedy]

71. We're in "Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" territory

in this discussion anyways, so why sweat the semantics?

[Recursion]

72. Fair enough. I had a drill instructor back in boot camp who used to love to say two things:

1. "We won at Pearl Harbor because we were prepared!"

and

2. "Recruit Recursion, nasty belligerent pigs like you are the reason the Russians beat us to the moon!"

(Years later I ran into him on a training exercise in the Mojave and he mentioned over a beer that they teach them to do stuff like that at drill instructor school to make sure we can keep our composure...)

[geek tragedy]

73. I forget you were in the military.

Interesting psychology from the drill instructors.

[speaktruthtopower]

44. Not unless..

a major Clinton scandal erupts between now and then.

Doubt it.

[Duppers]

82. True.

If HRC is gets the nomination, it'll be non-stop smears in the GE.

And if by some wild chance she wins the presidency, the impeachment hearings will begin asap.

[LexVegas]

48. ....

[McCamy Taylor]

50. Look around you. We have had a classic brokered Dem primary.

Author! Author!

[polichick]

54. All for it - shine a big ol' light on our "Democratic" process.

[Chan790]

56. I think we're fucked either way if there isn't a winner undecided by superdelegates.

The only way we win the GE in that circumstance is if the GOP finds a way to fuck-up their nominating process worse than we did.

[jfern]

59. I think there's some confusion about terms

A brokered convention is where no one wins on the first vote. That hasn't happened since 1952, and is very unlikely to happen in a 2 candidate race like the 2016 Democratic (the 2016 Republican is a different story).

What could happen is a case like the 1976 Republican convention where no one knows who will win at the start of the convention.

[Cobalt Violet]

60. I can't wait! It's about time.

[TMontoya]

62. Not a chance

There is no chance the convention will be contested. More wishful thinking from BernieBros.

[Califonz]

63. A brokered convention?

Good idea, people might actually tune in and watch this year!

[jwirr]

64. I will not stay in a party that has super-delegates. Enough.

I think we could easily have 1968 all over again including the lose to the Rs.

IF our super-delegates care anything at all about our future in America or even the world then they better think about a couple of things:

Hillary's baggage and how it is going to effect the GE.

How many followers Hillary really has - a lot of people are seeing her for what she is and they do not like it. Does she need them to win the GE? And a lot of Bernie supporters are not interested in her at all. If they want to keep the SCOTUS as they tell us then she is not a good bet.

How much cheating has gone into her win? 33 State Democratic Party deal is not going to look good to those who care about honesty. And it will be bad for Hillary and the super-delegates.

And if the super-delegates steal the election for Hillary - IMO all hell is going to break loose in Philly.

[Beacool]

79. What the hell are you talking about? Steal what election?????

It's not that darn complicated. The candidate who goes to the convention with the most pledged delegates will be the nominee. Just as it was in 2008, and Hillary has double the pledged delegate amount than Obama had that year.

[Recursion]

67. You can't really have a "brokered" convention with two candidates, because one will win

on the first ballot by definition.

[Beacool]

76. I think that it's a desperate move from a losing campaign.

The vast majority of super delegates are already supporting Hillary. If she makes it to the convention ahead in pledged delegates and votes, she will be the nominee. Currently, Hillary has double the pledged delegate advantage that Obama had in 2008. They will not switch to Sanders. It's a preposterous notion.

[bkkyosemite]

78. Just saw a poll that the site says will deliver to the Dem party. It's 97% Bernie.

Asks.

Will you vote Bernie all the way 97%

don't remember how the second one was worded but 2%

Will you vote for Hillary 1%

I don't think this is the same as Obama. I think there should be concern among the establishment base of the Dem Party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. All I can say is Cleveland and Philly are going to be lots of fun this year

Stocking up on popcorn.