2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEven 1000s of supporters shouting his name couldn't take him away from listening,hugging,caring
#JusticeForDontayIvy
Bernie has surprise meeting with BLM members & family members of Dontay Ivy.
Bernie, you are a true mensch! And I am proud to support you.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)crowd chanting for him. Amazing. Truly.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I had no idea this even happened.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)or the inspiration and happiness in his crowds. . .
I am always amazed that there are people who think of themselves as Christian, or Democratic, or whatever, and they search their minds and heart to find some ugly negative angle to every beautiful story like this. Isn't that sad?
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)These people thought to attend a Bernie rally so they could get their grievances heard.
Why not Hillary? Isn't this her state? Isn't she the one that can get things done?
I think many are starting to have their own "ah ha moments".
jillan
(39,451 posts)may have something to do with it?
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)i so want him to be our president.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)I want a leader who deeply listens to concerns, who puts others needs before his own, can relate and articulate how this problem fits into a larger concern and provides ideas on how to address it.
President Obama has this gift and so does Senator Sanders
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Dontay Ivy's death has been portrayed by the Albany Police Department and the district attorney as a "tragedy," implying that it was unpredictable, no one's fault, and "unintentional." According to this portrayal, no racism was involved as if "accidental" and unintentional" mean that no racial discrimination or bias could occur.
A review of the account presented by the police and the district attorney shows that Mr. Ivy had committed no crime. No crime had been reported in the area. He was stopped based on being judged "suspicious" for wearing a puffer coat in 26-degree weather with his hands up his sleeves. Based on the police accounts, there was no valid reason for the police to stop Mr. Ivy or to escalate the interaction by seeking to frisk him and handcuff him. There was no reason to chase Mr. Ivy or to subject him to multiple Taser shots and to baton strikes. The Albany Police Department claims to use "community policing" yet none of the officers was familiar with Ivy, well-known throughout his community including his habit of a late evening walk to the corner store. It is also of note that, according to District Attorney David Soares, of the eight police dashboard video cameras at the scene, only two were activated.
At a recent rally, Mr. Ivy's 11-year-old niece compared her uncle's treatment to slavery. Even at her young age, she grasped hold of a profound insight that is sweeping the academic world. Even if we accept that there was no intentional racial bias on the part of the involved officers, Police Chief Brendan Cox, or DA Soares, that does not begin to answer the pressing questions raised by this incident. The existence of implicit bias, well-documented among police officers and law enforcement leaders, makes any discussion about intentional bias superfluous. Most importantly, the death of Mr. Ivy must be viewed as the result of a systematic and institutionalized form of racism. Police guidelines that make it acceptable to stop an African-American peacefully and lawfully walking down the street was intentional. The training that taught police to be physically aggressive and that underemphasized attention to mental illness was deliberate. The arming of officers with Tasers and the policies regulating how many rounds of Taser shots are permitted was a conscious decision. The grand jury process is by design secretive and grants huge influence to local prosecutors who must depend upon local police. District attorneys across New York, including DA Soares, have consciously undermined attempts to appoint "outside" special prosecutors in cases of police killings of civilians. I am not judging the officers. I am judging the "system;" and anyone who takes an objective look at the institution of criminal justice in America today, regardless of their race, should be protesting the death of Dontay Ivy.
Jennifer McErlean, a longtime activist in Albany, is a professor of philosophy at Siena College.
http://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-opinion/article/Dontay-Ivy-was-killed-by-the-system-6630369.php
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Kittycat
(10,493 posts)I can't even fathom what the family has gone through. It's amazing to see that they want to turn it around for such good, and still can't get the support they need. So glad they were able to meet with him - and that he listens where so many politicians these days don't.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)The question that struck me is where is the major of Albany and the governor of New York (Albany is the state capital)? Both are Democrats. The mayor was only elected in 2014 and I don't know anything about her background. But Andrew Cuomo is a corporatist Democrat, a big supporter of Hillary Clinton (and he opposed the Fight for $15, proposing $10.50 instead). Are the mayor and the governor doing anything about the police force and other problems in Albany that the people in this video talk about? I am guessing not much if they felt compelled to grab a few minutes with Bernie outside of a rally to talk about their concerns.
Edit: I have researched a little further and found that Cuomo has created a State Advisory Board (as with Flint, MI) to deal with budget issues in distressed cities like Albany and Rochester. This state board doesn't appear to have full control of local governments, but I suspect it has effective veto power over local budgets by either offering or withholding state money. What I read on Albany looked like the state provides year to year budget bandaids for a city on the edge of collapse, I gathered from the NY Daily News interview of Hillary that the upstate of NY is extremely depressed, has been in decline over decades from the loss of manufacturing and hasn't had any recovery to speak of during the Obama years. Upstate NY accounts for about a third of the state's population and Zephyr Teachout won several counties against Cuomo in the 2014 Democratic primary even though she ran a shoestring campaign. I believe the NBC/WSJ poll from this week that has Bernie down 57-40 said he was running even with Hillary in upstate NY.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Bernie is a Saint.