Hillary fights against tuition free college... FREE Prison is ok

[Cosmic Kitten]

The Clinton's are AGAINST
tuition-free public college education.

Although they are in FAVOR of
mass incarceration, for FREE.

Apparently the Clintons are OK
with the cost of incarceration,
but not education?

According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,220,300 adults were incarcerated in US federal and state prisons, and county jails in 2013 – about 0.91% of adults (1 in 110) in the U.S. resident population.

A report by the organization, "The Price of Prisons," states that the cost of incarcerating one inmate in Fiscal 2010 was $31,307 per year. "In states like Connecticut, Washington state, New York, it's anywhere from $50,000 to $60,000," he said. Yes - $60,000 a year.

How much is tuition?

Type of College Average Published Yearly Tuition and Fees

Public Two-Year College (in-district students) $3,347

Public Four-Year College (in-state students) $9,139

Public Four-Year College (out-of-state students) $22,958

Private Four-Year College $31,231

NOTICE:
incarcerating one inmate in Fiscal 2010 was $31,307 per year
Private Four-Year College $31,231

If Wall St can't profit...
it's too expensive, right Hillary?

[Romulox]

1. Hillary's supporters are Taxed Enough Already! nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

3. Nice lol

[Buzz Clik]

2. Why are you bundling the Clintons? It's offensive as hell.

[Cosmic Kitten]

4. BOTH supported the tough on crime legislation

Gotta bring the *super predators*
to heel, amirite?

BTW, enough of the poutrage
and faux-rage, K

[Buzz Clik]

5. HRC is running for President, not Bill. Your OP title was only about Hillary.

Your tactic -- and thinly veiled insult -- is clear.

pfffft.

[Cosmic Kitten]

21. So you got nuthin, right?

[truedelphi]

6. THEY chose to be married... And HRC

chose to stay married when her husband chose to not only ignore their wedding vows, but also to do things while in the Nation's Highest Office that most middle level executives would attempt to avoid.

Plus long before all that, they told us we were getting "two for the price of one," remember?

,

[TheSarcastinator]

8. Bill's NOT campaigning for her?

I thought he was her "secret weapon"???

Another Clinton Cult FAIL.

[Autumn]

16. Two for the price of one. Remember that?

[gabeana]

24. Are you oblivious

that is her calling card, "when my husband was president" She based 2008 and now 2016 on his record
what is offensive is the ignorance displayed

[SHRED]

33. Why does Hillary take credit then...

...for what she perceives as positives from Bill's term?

She mentioned this in the last debate.

[Buzz Clik]

37. Is your comment relevant to the subject of the OP?

[delrem]

81. Hey there Clik, you didn't make the #1 response spot.

Inane distractions always deserve #1 spot!

You're letting down the team.

[ViseGrip]

7. Look, people chose Obama last time, because they didn't want Hillary.

[SFnomad]

10. And this time they're chosing Secretary Clinton because they don't want BS n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. If by "people" you mean the establishment,

the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Wall Street and the media then you are dead on right.

[SFnomad]

38. By people, I mean 2+ million more people n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

39. And only a hypocrite would ignor the former for the latter.

[SFnomad]

40. Who is ignoring the BS Cheerleaders? One thing those cheerleaders need to remember is

when you're losing a race, you're in no position to demand anything.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. All as I have afore mentioned for a very long time.

But Shilleries know that quite well.

Cheating is not democracy, but what di they care?

[SFnomad]

43. "Cheating" ... that's sore loser talk at its finest. Buh bye. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

44. And I expect no less from the cheatery crowd.

But like Hilly's transcripts, they are deaf to the truth, blind to the obvious.


Good luck getting the majority of independents to buy into camp weathervane's demands.

My guess is that they won't be showing up for you.

[SFnomad]

45. The PUMAs thought as highly of themselves 8 years ago ...

They were immaterial then, the few of you who are really that bitter will be immaterial now.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. Hilly has an enthusiasm gap.

You can kvetch about who you believe is bitter or not, but the basic fact is that if her highness claps her hands it is no indication that independents are going to roll over and vote for her. She's center-right. She's saud as much herself, and her actions belie her slight shift to the left.

She's a crappy politician, and if there is a choice between two crappy politicians the independents just might decide to stay home.

That's the math that camp weathervane wants to ignore.

[SFnomad]

47. If Secretary Clinton has an "enthusiasm gap" ... what does BS have with 2+ million fewer votes? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

49. Please, bring that lane-assed argument to the general

when the independents turn away from her highness.

Speaking of ass: that's what you will be left holding when she crashes and burns.



But keep trying to sell stale politician BS.

[SFnomad]

51. And you're making the same lame argument the bitter sore loser PUMAs did

They were wrong ... you will be wrong to.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

52. Time will tell. Give my regards to her highness.

After she comes up for air from her latest 3,500 plate fundraiser.

[SFnomad]

54. You people do sound more and more like Republicans all the time ...

bitter, condescending losers. You even use the same derisive phrases ... constantly.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

55. I speak for myself alone, but I also can see how the

camp weathervane can get lost in their own projection.



I can also see that they expect independents to be brought to heel. Good luck with that.

[SFnomad]

56. The ones with any common sense will know which way to vote, they know what's at stake

The few rest of you can go sulk in a corner. It won't make any difference.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

57. Don't hold your breath. People have a way of not voting

for crappy candidates when ordered to.

[SFnomad]

58. Like I said before, the PUMAs thought they were all that too ... they were mistaken

You will be as well.

Buh bye.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

59. LOL!

Run rabbit run...

[eridani]

60. He's been taking independents by huge margins, and they are now 40% of the electorate n/t

[SFnomad]

61. Yet BS is STILL 2+ million voters down ... so he hasn't been taking them by large enough margins

If you can't win the Primary, you won't get the chance to win the General Election.

We will do just fine with Secretary Clinton, look forward to her swearing in as President next January.

[eridani]

62. So we nominate the candidate who has the worst chance of among the largest sector of votere?

Smooth move, Exlax n/t

[SFnomad]

63. Democrats have spoken ... they don't want BS ... they want Secretary Clinton

If BS were given the chance, the right wing would crucify him in the General and he would wilt like the unprepared person he is. I don't want to see that ... you shouldn't either.

[eridani]

64. They want to lose? The RW has a tough time dealing with actual honesty

Clinton is a very weak candidate with high unfavorables. She will motivate the wingers to come out in droves to vote against her.

[SFnomad]

65. So, you think Secretary Clinton will bring out the wingers "in droves" .. but that a Socialist won't

That's called denial.

Secretary Clinton is our strongest candidate and she will get the job done. You can either help get that accomplished or you can get out of the way ... it's really your choice. But it's time you quit giving aid and comfort to the Republicans. And your gloom and doom predictions are only there because you're bitter about losing the primaries.

[eridani]

68. She has very high unfavorable ratings, and no traction with independents

Independents (40% of the electorate)will carry the election, and Sanders is winning them overwhelmingly.

[SFnomad]

71. BS doesn't have traction with real Democrats. Secretary Clinton will do just fine

with independents.

If you can't win the Primary ... how do you think you'll ever win the General?

[eridani]

72. That is irrelevant. Anyone who thinks a candidate can win a GE with 30% of the electorate--

--is delusional.

[SFnomad]

73. Anyone that thinks Secretary Clinton is only going to get 30% of the electorate

is delusional.

[eridani]

74. I guess with an inevitable candidate, you don't need to do any phonebanking

If you have, you'd have heard "No more Clintons" quite a bit. Not as much among Dems, but definitely among independents.

[SFnomad]

75. Yeah, yeah, yeah ... I don't put much stock in that .. in fact I don't believe much

that BS cheerleaders have to say ... they sound too much like Republicans and I don't believe anything they say.

Secretary Clinton will do fine in the General Election and come January, we'll be watching her take the Oath of Office.

[eridani]

76. Hey--all the Republicans I know are advocaating for single payer. You too? n/t

[SFnomad]

77. It's amazing how you people just jump from subject to subject ...

I suppose when you can't really support your opinions, you have to.

Buh bye.

[eridani]

78. You were the one saying Sanders supporters are like Republicans. If so, why aren't

--Republicans supporting single payer?

[SFnomad]

79. Yep Sanders supporters sound like Republicans ...

They spew the same right wingnut talking points about Secretary Clinton. Their smears and lies are virtually identical and just as fact free. And I'm really not sure which group subscribes to more conspiracy theories.

[eridani]

80. Single payer is a right wing talking point? Please explain? n/t

[SFnomad]

85. And BS Cheerleaders and right wingnuts feign the same kinds of ignorance n/t

[eridani]

90. Give me a url demonstrating that any winger has ever supported single payer n/t

[SFnomad]

92. You must be one of the slow ones ... I've never said ANYTHING about single payer

That is something you seem to be stuck on. I'll type it again, slower this time, so that you might be able to understand it.

BS cheerleaders spew the same right wingnut talking points about Secretary Clinton. Their smears and lies are virtually identical and just as fact free. And I'm really not sure which group subscribes to more conspiracy theories.

That is how the BS cheerleaders and the right wingnuts are difficult to tell apart. Do I have to use smaller words?

[eridani]

93. No Sanders supporter gives a rat's ass about Benghazi. We do, however criticize Clinton for

--not supporting single payer. That is not fact free--Clinton does not support single payer. Explain why caring about Benghazi is just like caring about single payer.

[SFnomad]

94. Oh well, I tried to type slower ... it didn't work ... buh bye n/t

[Cosmic Kitten]

13. And clearly *we* don't want her now

Too bad Hilary is talking down
the possibility of affordable education.

I find it disturbing that Hillary
isn't workiong to educate every
citizen to the extent of their abilities.

It would make us internationally
competitive and improve everyones
quality of life.

But Hilary can ONLY see MONEY or cost,
not the impact a relatively small
investment can make in people's futures.

She doesn't care a wit about the 99%

[Zira]

69. +1

[Lil Missy]

9. That's a mightly big stretch - associating the 2.

Talk about manufacturing an otherwise non-issue. I doubt the wingnuts have even thought about this one.

[Romulox]

12. In other words, just because the OP is true doesn't mean "Lil Missy" wants it discussed! nt

[Autumn]

18. Two for one, remember? So it's only logical to associate the 2

[HooptieWagon]

29. Bill is tied to Hill, with a bullhorn.

2 for 1 impeachments.

[Fresh_Start]

11. The US already runs tuition free colleges

the military academies.

The other schools of higher education are not under the control of the US government.
Whether or not you noticed, most states are under GOP control.
Many of those states are cutting funding for elementary education (as well as secondary education).
Free higher education is not remotely possible unless and until the democratic party can win control of the state governments.

[Romulox]

15. "And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

[Cosmic Kitten]

17. Democrats cannot win states with Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DNC)

We cannot give up goals because...
republicans.

We WILL NOT win any seats or states
with DWS running the DNC.

Debbie is hollowing out the Democratic party
to make room for 3rd-way neoliberals.

[Fresh_Start]

30. DWS is not the main problem

The main problem is the ability of the average American to despise (or envy) other Americans.

Conservative v liberal
Christian v Atheist
Yankee v Southerner
Born Again v traditional Christian
White v minority
Anyone v muslim
Men v women
Women v tramps
Conservatives v union members
Democrats v liberals
GOP v tea party

Its our willingness to think less of each other which allows all the rest of the political shenanigans.

[Scuba]

31. Debbie's Record

Lost a bunch of House seats, the Senate and over 900 state seats while Chair of the DNC
Supported Republicans over Democrats in two Florida districts
Conceded entire districts to the Louis Gohmerts and Joni Ernsts of this world by abandoning the 50-state strategy
Supported a Republican retread for the Florida Democratic Party Gubernatorial candidate (he lost to Rick Scott, again)
Undermined President Obama's treaty with Iran
Shilled for the private prison industry
Shilled for the booze industry
Shilled for the payday loan industry
Blamed the voters for her failures




She sure as hell ain't the answer!

[Fresh_Start]

34. I've no love for her

but you can't reasonably blame her for everything.
The House was lost before she became head of the DNC.
The state governments trending to GOP started LONG before she became head of the DNC.
In fact, it was a specific GOP strategy dating back more than a decade.

Blame the voters for their willingness to buy GOP talking points.
Blame the potential voters who don't bother to show up for local/state elections.

[Scuba]

35. She did nothing to turn things around, blamed voters for her failures.

The very idea that the head of the DNC would eschew progressive Democrats and back Republicans instead should be anethema to all Democrats!

That she's still head of the DNC speaks volumes about those who back her.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

48. Debbiecrats: lose elections at all cost.

[Octafish]

36. Other than that, though.

C'mon. You need a hug.



Thanks for not mentioning the drone thing, me being in the Leadership and all.

[Art_from_Ark]

82. Military academies are not exactly "tuition-free"

Once you graduate, you pay for your tuition by dedicating X number of years of your life to whatever service you signed up for.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Hillary's pal Debbie Wasserman Schultz voted repeatedly to send medical marijuana users to prison.

[Cosmic Kitten]

19. DWS is an uncaring, disgusting person.

She's ok with mass incarceration,
and payday lenders.

efffffffff that

[Lone_Wolf]

20. Student loans are profitable

Her Wall Street backers love them

[Cosmic Kitten]

22. EXACTLY!

[BainsBane]

23. Completely false, an outright fabrication of Clinton's position

which shows how little these issues actually matter to you. People who actually care about mass incarceration or education bother to inform themselves.

Here are policy statement. This one on criminal justice was the first policy she announced when entering the race: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

College education: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

Unlike Bernie, she also has policies addressing the k-12 disparities that cement generation of poverty.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

She also addressing the serious problem of sexual assault on college campuses: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campus-sexual-assault/

[Cosmic Kitten]

26. Blah blah blah campaign words

Hillary is against tuition-free public college...
It costs too much

She supported Bill's mass incarceration legislation...
it's free incarceration.

Plenty of money for prisons
No money for our future.

[VulgarPoet]

88. Given she can make the molecular structure of carbon dioxide crooked just by exhaling

I have to seriously doubt that. She can write whatever she wants on her pretty, no-doubt foreign written website given the current regime's propensity for using everyone other than American firms for gov't websites-- that don't make it true.

[2pooped2pop]

25. incarceration is not free.

there are many costs. It's a big money maker, which is why they want everyone locked up for simple bullshit.

[Cosmic Kitten]

27. Bill and Hillary KNOW incarceration makes money.

Wall St told her it would.

[2pooped2pop]

66. Yep. You can always follow everything back to money with them.

[villager]

28. War for profit's a pretty nice thing, too

But making education free!!??

That's "discredited Socialism!"

Or something.

[jfern]

42. And the 1994 crime bill banned Pell Grants for prisoners

[Art_from_Ark]

83. Wow-- I never knew that

Just another roadblock tossed in front of people who want to improve their lives.

[uponit7771]

50. Sophistry at best

[GoneFishin]

53. Yep. There's always plenty of money for right wingers to give it away to their friends, but never

any money to improve the lives of regular folks.

They are such transparent greedy assholes.

[Dem2]

67. Strawman Central

This place is ridiculous

[Norrin Radd]

70. kr

[aspirant]

84. typical

When you're in bondage (prison) you are a manipulative asset on a balance sheet during and after imprisonment (criminal record) while a free-thinker student can't be controlled after graduation and could become a Bernie Supporter

[BernieforPres2016]

86. Cornel West had a great comment the other night on Hillary giving back the private prison money

(Of course, it could still be coming to her through her SuperPacs, via her bundlers. She only gave back the direct money.)

Cornel's comment on her giving back the direct money was:

"We cannot have candidates who proceed on the basis of the 11th commandment: Thou shall not get caught."

[cherokeeprogressive]

87. Prison is Hillary's idea of public housing.

[ViseGrip]

89. You bet CosmicKitten, it's all about Wall Street!

[2cannan]

91. To be fair, the Clintons like those for-profit universities too...

snip

Laureate Education, a for-profit chain with a global reach, paid Bill Clinton $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014, Bloomberg reported last week. Clinton had served as an honorary chancellor for Laureate International Universities, a subsidiary of the privately held company, which is among the world's largest higher education providers.

He stepped down earlier this year, after his wife, Hillary, officially launched her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. Laureate had not disclosed how much it paid the Clintons. But Hillary Clinton's campaign released the couple's tax returns on Friday, Bloomberg reported.

From:
Laureate Paid Bill Clinton $16.5 Million
https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/08/03/laureate-paid-bill-clinton-165-million