Damn voters, getting in the way of Democracy...

[hellofromreddit]

http://nypost.com/2016/04/13/independent-voters-could-make-polling-sites-a-nightmare/

Don't the plebeians know their place?

All hail paperwork!

[Agschmid]

1. Its going to be a shit show.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

2. Hopefully, Bill Clinton will show up with a bullhorn

That should speed things up in a few precincts. In Brooklyn.

[HooptieWagon]

4. You know he will. Nt

[bkkyosemite]

3. Exactly Exactly Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:::::::::::::

:Many, many people will be shut out of voting in what very well may be the most important election in a generation in New York state,” said Jeremy Gruber, senior vice president at Open Primaries, a nonpartisan group organizing the New York rally."


“No one should have to join a party to exercise their right to vote,” he added. “We’re a democracy.”


One person one vote. Enough of this crap. The party rules were made without fanfare and without them really knowing the candidates and the registration deadline closed in Oct 2015. Get serious! Open primary, same day registration!

[Fresh_Start]

5. no one has to join a party to exercise their right to vote

in any state or national election.
But these are not state/national elections, they are party primaries.

[Downwinder]

6. Just another way of saying,

"Only certain people can participate in their government."

[bkkyosemite]

10. This is to choose the President of the United States and only certain people can chose?

Give me a break.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

11. The DNC is not "their government".

The DNC is a private organization in which it's members are voting for their pick to run for President.

[bkkyosemite]

14. Their pick well there are many more who want to pick. The party is rigging it for them and only them

[truedelphi]

29. Exactly. And what is sad is that since we have been a police state for ever so

Many years, many of us are conditioned to think that this Elite can make it a rigged game.

It is their right. After all, most in the Elite worked hard to get into the Insiders Club and why should some fresh faced snotty youngsters and oldsters try and spoil it for that Elite!

[bkkyosemite]

30. I'm glad you mentioned oldsters too

[truedelphi]

48. I'm finding that sixty is better than fifty.

At the end of the year, I get on medicare, and it will be sweet.

I am hoping to be celebrating my 65th birthday and Bernie's election during the same six week period!

[LonePirate]

57. The party is not rigging anything. This is state election law, not a party dictate.

[bkkyosemite]

59. Laws need to be changed to affect fairness in elections. one person one vote,

[Fresh_Start]

12. I was never able to vote in NY primaries

because I wasn't registered with either party.
I wasn't able to vote in GOP primaries in California because they are closed primaries.

This is not some new perversion.
It is not an extraordinary burden to register to vote.
Although I would be extremely happy if voter registration was automatic, its not.

Why doesn't the democratic socialist party have an open primary in NYS?

[bkkyosemite]

16. This was not in the news where everyone heard it. I'm sure a snipet some where.

The registration closed before any new voters or ones that would want to change their affiliation after hearing of the stances that the candidates were running on would not be able to.

This is not democracy.

There should have been time after everyone got to know the candidates and their stances before they closed registration or left it open entirely. I don't care how long this has been going on. It needs to be fixed. It should be automatic with your driver's license. It is here in Oregon! This should be open to anyone who wants to vote for either Hillary or Bernie. I believe they closed it long before any one would have a chance to register after hearing Bernie and his stances. Disenfranchisement is happening because DWS and the gang wanted Hillary and her coronation...happening long ago.

[Fresh_Start]

23. It shouldn't require a drivers license either.

I was closed out of the NY primaries 20 years ago, not exactly a new situation.
I guess its possible that they were open after that and then closed again more recently.

But I will freely say that I hold people who don't bother to vote, responsible for the current situations
We know that if everyone voted, democratic and liberal policies would win.
Their apathy empowers the GOP

[bkkyosemite]

25. I think 18 is a good one too.

[Downwinder]

17. I was not able to vote for any local officials.

There were NO Democrat candidates and all positions were filled in the Republican primary.

[bkkyosemite]

8. That is the whole entire problem. Everyone has a right to pick from the lot, not from

the elites or party's choices of who they want as a nominee's. Everyone has a right to vote for the person they feel is the right person for the job of Presidency from whoever is running for President.

I do feel this will become from now on a huge issue and that eventually there will be open primaries for all in all states with same day registration!

[fun n serious]

7. The rules have been in place for years and years... nt

You can't change the rules in the middle of the game but you can get involved to change it for the future.

[bkkyosemite]

9. It's time to stuff the rules where the sun does not shine. One person one vote, open primaries

same day registration is the only fair way to elect. Not Supers or coronations or the one with the most dough...one person one vote.

Millions should go to court now to make it plain this is not honest and is a form of rigging the vote for the ptb's choice not the people's choice.

[Fresh_Start]

13. you also have to get rid of caucases, they are the least democratic of all

in fact, its really time to have direct election, instead of this electoral college crap.

[bkkyosemite]

19. At least caucuses are as transparent as possible. The counting of the votes needs to be in the

open by hand and in front of all sides.

[All in it together]

62. There isn't even a paper ballot in Iowa democratic caucuses we get into groups and get counted

And there's loosy goosy rules about getting into the caucus room. People can sneak in or move around (Hillary's people) and get counted twice. There are observers too inside and the rooms are generally too small and uncomfortable. It gets to be a marathon of who can last long enough. Some people need to leave and get back to their lives, which Hillary people took advantage of in the caucuses and county convention. I'm hoping the District conventions go better. The rules are getting better I think and actual paper will be used.

[mythology]

47. Your proposed lawsuit would be dismissed about as fast as it could be filed

There is no constitutional right to vote in a primary.

[Retrograde]

61. It already was

Rosario v. Rockefeller, 1973. The US Supreme Court upheld the lengthy time period for party registration in New York.

[Trenzalore]

15. It is insane

I mean members of the political party being the ones that select the political party's nominee.

[bkkyosemite]

20. That is not funny! This is not "ones" picking their nominee. This is preventing those that want to

vote in the party from not being able to...be careful with that laughing you might choke.

[Trenzalore]

22. Hillary Clinton did not write the NY Primary rules

The democratic party did in the state of NY and they did it years ago. There is an argument that maybe they should reconsider the rules however because Bernie Sanders would do better in one election is not a viable reason.

Caucuses are undemocratic messes that disenfranchise anyone not able to show up between the 2-3 hours the caucuses are being held and Bernie did very well at them. I think a discussion should be had in each state about whether or not caucuses should be part of the process given they decrease the number of participants and tend to disenfranchise vulnerable people.

All this being said, the rules were written long before either probably were even elected to the Senate let alone decided to run for President and the rules should stand till after the election. After this election, in the absence of Hillary vs. Bernie the PARTY should evaluate whether they want to keep the rules.

[bkkyosemite]

24. I said one person one vote, open primaries, same day registration with manual vote count

with all sides watching. If this does not occur our Country will continue to have rigged elections of the powerful getting away with their manipulation.

[Trenzalore]

27. I could agree withe everything except same day party registration

I'm not really that interested in people that switch parties willy nilly being the ones that choose party's nominees. There is nothing from stopping me when the race is not competitive to vote in a Republican primary where I have no intent to vote for the candidate in the General Election and for Republicans to do the same in democratic races.

[bkkyosemite]

33. Understand but in the case of Bernie, many did not know who he was or his stances on the issues.

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They need to have same day registration if someone wants him to be the nominee. There should however be some way of stating you must continue with that affiliation until after the GE if you choose to change for the primary.

[Trenzalore]

38. Those are the people I'm not that interested in

I vote in every state and local democratic primary because it is how my voice is heard in a party. I don't really feel bad for people that want to join for one candidate in one election cycle.

If you want to choose the democratic nominee for President you should be hanging around for the democratic nominee for school board.

[bkkyosemite]

41. Bernie is a Dem now so now people want to vote for him. I am interested in the YUUUGGEEE

crowd of new voters Bernie is bringing to the table.

I remember a friend who I never talked politics to because she would get too emotional and angry when talking of her affiliation. She not knowing how I voted I asked her one time about her fervor. I said if someone from your party was the nominee but you personally knew that person had dishonest dealings or cheated or stole would you still vote for that person. She said absolutely emphatically so. I vote for party...........I said oh................................

[COLGATE4]

31. Can you imagine??????? I may be about to faint.....

[bkkyosemite]

34. Here's some smelling salts.

[SidDithers]

18. Why should Republicans and Independents get to vote...

on how the NY Democratic Party allocates Democratic delegates to the Democratic convention.



Sid

[bkkyosemite]

21. Because they are rigging it for who the ptb want as their choice not who the people want. Bernie

is running as a Democrat. Anyone who wants to vote for him did not know who he was back in Oct 2015. That was done on purpose I would surely think. This is a sham! Anyone who wants to vote for Bernie should be able to. This was not done fairly and the time frame of closed registration tells it all. Open primary, same day registration, one person one vote. No supers nor coronation should be allowed. Supers for not allowing grass roots in...what crap. And stick that fork.........in your meal.

[hellofromreddit]

39. What makes you think New York is so feeble it can't survive open primaries?

Here's the full list of states that can handle it: https://ballotpedia.org/Open_primary None have been reduced to smoking craters or total anarchy.

"Solving" a non-problem by locking out voters sounds like some establishment-protecting voter ID bullshit you'd hear out of Scott Walker.

Or is that the whole plan?

[pampango]

40. I wish my candidate was doing better among registered Democrats. I surprised he is not but

I recognize that Democrats should choose Democratic candidates and republicans should choose republican candidates. I have 4 strong Democratic friends who voted for Kasich in the Ohio primary just to hurt Trump. I understand why they did it but I also understand why they (and I) should not have a voice in who gets the republican nomination.

[bkkyosemite]

43. If someone is going to change their affiliation just to vote to cause problems that should not be

allowed. If they change they must stay changed through the GE.

[pampango]

46. What do you mean by "If they change they must stay changed through the GE."

No one announces their party affiliation in the GE nor is there any way to know how they voted.

[mythology]

52. So you want to do away with the secret ballot?

This idea just gets worse the more you talk about it.

[HereSince1628]

26. Reminds me of us kids begging to go to the WI Dells.

We saw the ads on television, and responded with appropriately pleadings to our mother...

Vacation destination however were always determined by adults. My first summer vacation happened when I was 13. The first year after my dad gave up working construction.

[oldandhappy]

28. zowie, it does sound like a mess

People are fired up. You had to register by Oct. 9 -- crazy. You go NY, you earned this mess. Registration should be much closer to the day of voting.

[tammywammy]

32. You had to change party registration by 9 Oct

New voters could register until 25 March but they would have had to register as a democrat to participate.

[bkkyosemite]

35. And that my friend (or not whichever you choose) is the issue. Not enough time to register after

hearing the candidates views or debates for that matter...remember did not want many debates either Ms. DWS.........

[oldandhappy]

36. Thanks. I knew I had it scrambled, smile.

Good luck. Glad I am not a precinct worker for this one.

[geek tragedy]

37. Whiny dudebro says what?

Zach Handler, a 29-year-old actor who lives in the East Village, is one of the shut-out independents who is considering showing up at the polls to protest the rules.

He’s a progressive who favors Sanders but didn’t know about the deadline to switch his party affiliation until it had passed.

“As a direct action, I’d love to just go and have the awkward moment with the poll worker and make them explain to me why I can’t vote even though I’m a registered voter and taxpayer,” Handler told The Post.

Want to help govern the Democratic Party? Join it, or STFU.

[hellofromreddit]

42. Yeah! Fuck new voters!

Well, until you need them in the general election and down ballot elections. Then it's their duty as Americans to vote and they're stupid if they fail to vote.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Great way to sell your candidate, bub.

[geek tragedy]

44. He has no business trying to suppress other voters

He knows he has no legal right to participate.

He didn't miss the deadline. He never switched.

Just another whiny dudebro with a sense of entitlement.

If he wants to vote in Democratic primary, all he has to do is switch his registration, but his precious vanity would be offended by that.

[hellofromreddit]

49. Voting == suppression of other votes?

Whatever, Scott.

[geek tragedy]

66. closed primary isn't vote suppression.

Intentionally forcing voters to wait in long lines is.

I would wager that BernieBro won't do it-he'll just go whine on Reddit with the rest of the losers.

[bkkyosemite]

45. He wanted to but the registration closing was ridiculously too early. Debates...rallys....too early.

[Trenzalore]

50. "Progressive"

But has no interest in voting in primaries where the candidates are selected. Bet this is one of the Berniecrats who didn't show up in 2010 or 2014.

[geek tragedy]

53. Who knows if he's ever voted for a Democrat? nt

[GulfCoast66]

56. 4 election cycles he sat out!

Obviously did not vote in Democratic Primaries in 08, 10, 12 or 14. But wants to now...because. And is throwing a fit because he has not given a fuck about the party till now. I guess Obama did not excite him in 08.

[RandySF]

51. Where was the Sanders campaign

When the deadline approached? Don't blame everyone else for their lack of planning.

[hellofromreddit]

54. You Clinton folks sure are adept at blame shifting

And that's about it, isn't it?

[RandySF]

55. Team Sanders dropped the ball. Period.

[hellofromreddit]

58. Remember that 67% national lead Clinton started with? Did mean old Bernie drop that ball too?

[geek tragedy]

64. She's going to be the nominee.

10 days from now Bernie goes back to being a protest candidate.

[hellofromreddit]

65. Touched a nerve?

[bkkyosemite]

60. This is not about planning this is about disenfranchising those who did not get to see the

YUGE amount of debates and rallys and speeches because the damn registration closing date was back in Oct 2015. Geeze!

[RobertEarl]

63. Good, I hope they mess it up bigtime

This is all part of the revolution. People should hardly be limited in their voting.