Trouble for Hillary? Former FBI Agents from ABSCAM Penned this Letter to Comey:

[Dragonfli]

Since this has been widely and publicly put out (including this photo of the letter from many national news sites), if this is a hoax, or fabrication, I am sure they would like to know about this and take legal action against falsely claiming a member of their organization wrote such a letter, I therefore included contact links so the public debunking, lawsuits, and perhaps even criminal charges of forgery can begin.

If one wishes to to disprove this letter, here is the contact information listed on the Society of Former Special Agents of the FBI"'s web page:


Society of Former Special Agents of the FBI, Inc.
3717 Fettler Park Dr
Dumfries, VA 22025
Tel [phone] Fax [phone]
[e-mail]

We are happy to answer questions from the media. For information or a statement on the Society or the FBI in the news, please contact:
Executive Director Nancy Savage
[e-mail]
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Also since an individual's image and signature was used in the reporting I am sure he would like to denounce this as well, I could not find John F. Good's contact information, it may be found by a journalist here that can contact the Long Island Chapter of the organization itself. He most assuredly has a criminal case as the plaintiff Because his signature was forged!



If this is all a fabrication which I doubt due to the legal ramifications involved especially considering a forged signature would have had to be used for such a plot!

[Dragonfli]

1. The important thing to take from this is not the source reporting the letter, or even it's authors,

But the statement (in the excerpt below) which EVERYONE should agree has nothing to do with politics, but how any investigation should be run and the negative effects anything other than an impartial, rather than favor, or politically driven investigation would have on the reputation of the investigative body.

We have all seen what non-fact driven investigations run by personal bias and other factors like race or a bias toward murderous police by those they work with on a first name basis have led to regarding Justice (or the lack of it) when it concerns unarmed POC being murdered by police officers that then get away with their crimes.

The reputation of those that let them get away with murder has suffered greatly (as they should) along with the reputation of the police in General, so anybody that disagrees with the statement below are hypocrites if they also support the Black Lives Matter movement.

"Decisions must be made on facts alone. Much is at stake here -- people's trust in the Bureau for years to come, as well as the Bureau's reputation among our allies, partners, and friends as the greatest law enforcement agency in the world,” wrote John F. Good, president of the Long Island Chapter of the Society of Former Special Agents of the FBI.

[yourpaljoey]

4. The tension is mounting

What is transpiring in smoke-filled rooms even as we speak

[CorporatistNation]

14. That's The Problemm... The Coniving Deceit Mongers Are In Full On Combat Mode!

May Director Comey heed the words of his former FBI colleagues!

[pkdu]

31. "John F Good" ... Confirmed Rick Lazio contributor , and that took less than 2 mins to find.

Please research your own republican horse hit befor posting here.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?21020062331

[Dragonfli]

36. That is not his office contact info, and did you even read what you responded to?

Because if you did, I emphasized what I thought was important and TRUE in that letter and have no interest in his personal contribution details or his personal information like some creepy phishers here (well one rock lover at least).

What you posted is irrelevant to the post, the OP and anything I was saying or asked for.

Correct yourself! Read the post you responded to first that will help you check yourself as well.

[pkdu]

38. Get over yourself. He has a paying job AND he prepresents an organization ...one pays , one doesn't

Two different things. Get it?

I tried politely to help you embarrassing yourself.

You quoted a letter from a guy who contributed to Rick Lazio ( you do know who he us/ was , right)


Don't want it? Stop posting poorly sourced crap.

[Dragonfli]

41. I don't get it, how does that respond to wanting an investigation to be truth based? That is

an apolitical statement.

It is also IMO the only fair and impartial way to run any investigation. The man's politics as far as what is written in that letter goes, appear to be quite separate things. I don't like his "politics" either (as you describe them), but I do agree with the content of the letter which appears as apolitical as it gets. It would be different if he wee asking for an investigation based on bias and untruth, but such is not the case.

What are you trying to do? Attack the messenger or the message in order to advocate against a truth only based investigation? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Really, I have no idea what you are going on about, read your reply and what you replied to for much needed clarity on your part.

[amborin]

35. great post!

[dsc]

42. you realize you are calling Obama corrupt

you do get that, don't you.

[Dragonfli]

43. When, where, and how? his name never even came up. /nt

[dsc]

44. He would be the one who would be causing the investigation

not to be on the up and up.

[Dragonfli]

47. How so, is he leading the investigation? I did not know he moonlighted as an FBI agent /nt

[MineralMan]

2. Well, not much trouble to find the person who signed this, really.

Took me two minutes.

The thing is, who cares about some retired FBI people? They're not in any way involved in any of this. They're just regular citizens like the rest of us. The letter is meaningless, really, in terms of this investigation.

[Stallion]

3. Apparently the Long Island Chapter of Retired FBI Agents-Wow!

of course, they are retired and this is a confidential investigation so it means nothing except they hate Hillary

[Fawke Em]

5. Don't you think some retired FBI agents care about the integrity of the agency they

worked in for years?

When I retire, I wouldn't want the company I work for now to be mired in crap.

And, while they might now be regular citizens, they do know how the bureau works from within, which might be what the motivation to pen this letter was to begin with.

[Adrahil]

8. Of course. But they are not a-political.

They are people, and their interests are not strictly professional. Many of them have very non-professional political interests. Wann bet what the party membership is of most of them?

[highprincipleswork]

6. "they're just regular citizens". NOT. A veteran, a former President, a former firefighter, they all

lose their credibility when they cease being active. A former Marine loses their Semper Fi?

That is patently absurd. I think not.

I am perfectly sure that the FBI considers former members, particularly those who led important investigations, as still part of their club and still important to listen to in terms of upholding community values. The letter is really a simple reminder, in no uncertain terms, of the kind of standards that are necessary in an investigation of this kind.

Really, I know from past posts that you pride yourself on "logic", sometimes a wildly overrated consideration in human affairs, but still, as you note, important.

Unfortunately, this "logic" shows a distinct bias.

Who cares about retired FBI people? I am sure many people do, including the FBI and anyone who believes in the principles they espouse. And that is what is difficult for Hillary. And that, c'mon just admit it, is the reason you'd like to try to discredit this information.

[politicaljunkie41910]

24. If you give such credit to those "retired' agents that they somehow possess such fidelity to their

organization, and their oath of office, why don't they think the current crop is any less professional than they are, and why the need to contact the FBI Director at all? I don't know all the facts yet, and they rightfully, shouldn't know all the facts either. But I do know that they were trying to influence the outcome by their letter, and that taints them all with a broad brush. FTR, most members of Law Enforcement agencies tend to be Conservative or lean Republican. If I were the Director I'd send them a return letter, stating that I trust the men and women under my command, and I know that I don't have to second guess their judgment in conducting this case, and they shouldn't either.

[MineralMan]

25. I'm a veteran who worked with top secret information.

I do not feel in any way that I have any reason to contact the agency I worked for about its current activities. I have no idea about any details of its work any longer. My opinions are irrelevant at this time. Same for these 70-something retired FBI agents.

They know nothing about the current investigation.

[Dragonfli]

9. Please post the contact information because the man deserves justice. I bow to your superior

search skills in finding it! As I could not.

However, why not post it? Since as you appear to imply it is all "meaningless", I contend media fabrication and hoax letters with forged signatiures are not meaningless at all, but very serious stuff. A thread was posted on this that many were interested in even if you weren't.

The reason I speak so much re verification of this is only because that post with the same information as this, was hidden based on the belief of someone that alerted thought it was nothing more than a fabrication or hoax from a right wing source.

Why I personally find it interesting is that it proves that fact based investigations and the FBI's reputation are important "allegedly" to some FBI alumni (allegedly used because the authenticity of this letter has been called into question).

I happen to agree that Fact based investigations should be a hallmark of the FBI and that there reputation would be hurt if they were conducted otherwise. It also raises the question as to why they felt even the slightest need to (allegedly) write such a letter? Should not such be normally assumed by FBI veterans?

So will you reveal the information or do you intend to purposefully not post it, and if you have made a choice that you should note post it for reasons regarding verification, then tel me at least why you feel it necessary to hide such information?

[MineralMan]

27. I would never post any personal information about anyone.

That's just wrong and is against DU rules. I've been the victim of doxing. No way would I ever do that. It took an attorney and some cost to put an end to it in my case. Do not ask me to do that. I absolutely will not.

[Dragonfli]

32. Obviously I meant his contact information at his office As the President of the Long Island chapter

I know you are not stupid and knew that already, no way you should have gotten, nor should you have, his personal contact info!

Just what shady methods did you employ to obtain such information and so quickly as you bragged?
Bragging about being able to do it can therefore only serve one purpose, one you failed because I am not afraid of you finding me!

Actually, I don't want to know how, but since that is what you were bragging about finding so quickly, I question your ethics and PLEASE do not release what you dug up here.

Just as the Contract information I released, I obviously wanted OFFICE contact information, of the sort I posted.
I hope you haven't employed such shady methods to gain my personal information, If you want that I will just tell you!

My name is Dennis M. Wilson Jr. and I live on the southeast side of Buffalo, NY 14206. for the rest PM me (but using whatever means you used to dig up such info on Mr. Good that is all you need to get the rest in about 40 seconds) .

If that's your hobby, I will make it easy for you, I am too damn poor and unhealthy to fear much of anything let alone you.

You bragging about getting someone's personal information so easily and quickly may have been an attempt to intimidate me, but guess what, I lack the fear you seek brother!

I literally have nothing to lose creepy guy. I am not, nor will I ever fear you, I may not be the scrapper I was as a young man but bring it and find out how well one can defend oneself after living one's life where things get real and one has to actually learn to survive things beyond your posh cushy little hardships brother.

[MineralMan]

34. I don't give a damn who you are.

I don't hide my own identity, either. One click will give you my identity. I quit trying for anonymity after the first threat I got from someone. My attorney deals with that stuff. As for that person's identity from that letter, it's a no-brainer and needs no real research. I don't care who he is, because the letter will get filed with all the other useless information.

You probably should delete you own information though from your post.

[Dragonfli]

39. Then what was that thinly veiled threat about regarding your leisurely phishing trips?

I'm not impressed with either your ability to find out about people's personal stuff nor am I afraid of your ability to do so.

In your fail you are now actually playing stupid, way to throw down a glove and run from the duel once you realized the fear and quaking in the boots expected did not happen and make me run away before you put away your sword.

I don't care about you at all, just needed to let you know I can not be intimidated quite so easily.
Also even conservative Cave dwellers know my personal info it would appear as I have gotten some fan mail written poorly with threats in them, literally hundreds of people at the very least, know who I am as I have posted places where both my handle and real name are present.

I can't afford a new pair of pants any time soon let alone keep a lawyer on hand with a retainer to fight for me.

Having nothing left to lose has it's strange advantages.

[MineralMan]

40. Uff da!

[cui bono]

11. "just regular citizens like the rest of us"

Then so is everyone else, former presidents, veterans, retired physicists... sheesh.

.

[amborin]

37. they're not "just regular citizens" and that adds to the gravity of their missive; they are the very

agents who investigated ABSCAM. I had not heard of it, but, wow, what a corruption scandal that was.
So, they have personal experience with just this type of investigation that is currently being conducted; and they are clearly already seeing the political pressure that's been exerted; they know the stakes and what the implications of this are

[Dragonfli]

46. I have found you to be intelligent this is off topic, but a poster just accused me of calling Obama

Corrupt, just in case I'm suffering some form of dementia(without realizing it) and I am completely unaware of what I've written or any of it's meanings, anywhere in this thread, could you please do a quick audit of my posts and see if I somehow did, so that I may apologize for it?

Or confirm that I m still sane by telling me you found me doing no such thing.

I realize it is inconvenient, but I can't continue answering posts until I am sure I am not saying such things and not even knowing it.

Please indulge me, I will not post in this thread again until your audit is complete.

[amborin]

48. You are completely innocent! nowhere have you ever even mentioned President Obama;

it's astonishing that these accusations are being made; So, please post again; you are perhaps being gas-lighted.

(thank you for the compliment, by the way; and back at you!)

[Dragonfli]

49. Thanks! It is quite a relief to know I am not posting things and then forgetting them so quickly

Or worse still, not understanding the meaning of the words I use. Sorry for the imposition, but hell, if I really did such a thing and didn't even know it, it would mean I might need some serious psychiatric care.

Better safe than sorry, I will get back to this thread later as I have some personal matters to attend to before it gets too late, then, if my usual insomnia persists, I will be happy for the diversion of this unreported leak and continue to ponder why it is so completely misunderstood by some here even though the letter is rather short using common well known understandable words with a clear meaning.

[amborin]

51. Thanks to you again for posting the letter!!!!!

It was brilliant of you!!!!!

[Dragonfli]

53. That actually took some work, it was posted in a locked PDF, so I had to take two screen grabs

because only part of it would fit on the screen at 100% magnification, so one grab for upper, one for lower, then, I had to splice them together again perfectly, slightly rotate and crop (because the original in the PDF was tilted). Then export as jpg and upload to Photobucket.

So thanks for thanking me I took some time to accomplish it.

[Fawke Em]

7. FWIW, Mr. Good is listed as a member of the Society of Former Special Agents of the FBI

https://books.google.com/books?id=8h406aDUeL4C&pg=PA280&lpg=PA280&dq=%22John+F.+Good%22+fbi&source=bl&ots=pPsuPlxg7M&sig=RaynOTl-KXtmprbdQcFOySPgdas&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiegJCMi5bMAhWBJiYKHRc4D4cQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=%22John%20F.%20Good%22%20fbi&f=false

[pkdu]

33. And a Rick Lazio contributor, nice find sparky. Nt

[pdsimdars]

10. As you say, who knows, BUT I would like to say, I have seen a number of people on TV

who are from the intelligence community speak about this. And while Hillary and her supporters tend to laugh it off or dismiss it. . . every single person I have seen, from people in the military who worked in intelligence, to the former head of the DIA (the defense department's equivalent of the CIA) to former AG. . . they are taking this VERY seriously. It is a real contrast to see the video of Hillary poo-pooing this and to see them outraged at this casual handling of classified information.
You can think what you want, but when you see those involved in intelligence, your attitude changes.
Whether or not this letter is fake, it sure fits in with what I have seen to be their attitude.

And it's nice they put it into words and made it a document. When you put it in writing, it means more.

[cui bono]

12. +1

[Dragonfli]

15. Read Post #13 please /nt

[Dragonfli]

13. I had to write that stuff because when another poster tried to post this information

It was censored and the reason stated was right wing source and hoax. I am merely walking on eggshells as one must sometimes when posting facts here.

[jwirr]

16. When I look at what I want from the court is the truth and

early enough to know how this is going to effect the GE. I want to win the GE and this is going to hang over the whole primary as long as it sets out there.

[Dragonfli]

18. I want exactly what you do, both on truth in investigation and early enough to avoid the sword of

Damocles hanging over our party and it's chances in the GE, This is one hell of a sword to come crashing down on our heads in a General election, one hopes we either, resolve this before the primary, or Ms. Clinton gathers together from the totality of her being enough of what is left of any honor and loyalty to the party she may still possess, and resigns from the race in time to avoid a GE catastrophe.

[cui bono]

19. People are claiming this letter is a hoax?

Is it the same people who believe that Hillary thought WMDs were real?



.

[Dragonfli]

21. I certainly don't know what others think or why. I suspect tho, it was merely an attempt to censor

Much like you will not hear or see this reported on CNN or other major outlets who's owner's have contributed large sums of money to the Clinton Campaign.

Certain people, some rich, others just enamored of a personality, just don't want certain things known.

[pkdu]

45. Not a hoax, get a grip, written by a documented Rick Lazio supporter...you do know

Who Rick Laxio is/ Was , right?

[Dragonfli]

22. K&R for needed exposure /nt

[pdsimdars]

30. I'll email it to Fox. They seem to be the only people taking this seriously. . Isn't that too bad?

[Dragonfli]

50. That is actually scary, one would think better networks than FOX would report and with a greater

level of intelligent analyses.

Fuck, who am I kidding, they are all just entertainment shows at this point, I am thinking of emailing a copy to Amy Goodman, she appears to be one of the few (if basically hidden) real journalists left in this country now that Moyers has retired.

[pdsimdars]

58. Amy, why didn't I think of that. Let us know if she says anything in case I miss it.

Maybe she'll have him on for an interview.

[NJCher]

52. Ah!

Now I understand. Nuts that you should have to do that.

I'm taking it on face value. Any professional who spent a lifetime in a career cares about the integrity of the organization for which they worked. The fact that they are retired FBI gives their statements extra credibility.

I recall ABSCAM. It showed the crooked politicians taking money right on camera. Still, there was enormous pressure not to prosecute!

Cher

[amborin]

54. ^this^

[amborin]

17. K&R

Doubt it's a fabrication. But the letter was certainly leaked to the media. This is probably a harbinger of leaks yet to occur.

[840high]

20. There will be leaks.

[amborin]

29. yes, definitely

[beedle]

23. Well we do need to be fair

she should be given the same considerations as Snowden ... a one way ticket to Russia and a backpack she can use as a pillow as she waits at the airport for Putin to grant her asylum.

[dchill]

26. Oh yeah. This is trouble.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. LOL/NT

[pdsimdars]

55. And still noone has been able to debunk it. I tended to believe it right from the start based on

the other intelligence professionals I have heard talk on the subject. They all feel the same way. They would face serious consequences if they had done much less than this, why should she be excused?

[Dragonfli]

57. I see this investigation run by the FBI (known for integrity) and Hillary's hiring a criminal

deference lawyer, as a "Sword of Damocles" hanging over the head of our party and it's chances of victory across the entire ballot of races (if she were to gain the nomination).

I have only the hope that when the sword falls, it will be on her head alone, before our nomination process is over thus neutralizing it before it cost's us the Presidency, and more seats in the Senate and the House, I should not, nor should anybody be forced to be harmed so greatly by such an unforced error on her part.

Let us hope for a clear resolution and an early end of this process, clear enough if she is found innocent that it can not be used against the party, and early enough that if we are lucky an untainted nominee will represent us in the General Election so as to remove this potential atomic size bomb from the arsenal of the the inevitable right wing machine attacks.

They will attack and fight dirty as they have for many decades, I'd rather they had little more than pure BS and propaganda to use against us, they already have a fully stocked and overflowing arsenal to use against Clinton, but this WMD added to it along with the lack of enthusiasm for her seen in our own party among the youth and the remaining liberals within the party, added with the actual and quantified dislike and distrust among the largest block of voters (I) has me quite worried from a purely tactical viewpoint should she be the candidate.

This entire debacle of a scandal ridden candidate, combined with the ever increasing Fascistic tendencies of the Republicans, actually have me concerned now about living in a Dystopian Fascistic unUnited States of America, where my democracy once thrived.

[NCTraveler]

56. Really starting to feel bad for these Gowdy boot-lickers. nt.