Something Is Going Seriously Wrong with New York Voter Registrations

[Snarkoleptic]

Alternate title, "The corporatocracy gets what the corporatocracy wants."

http://usuncut.com/politics/something-amiss-new-york/

Hundreds of voters, most of them registered with the Democratic Party, are filing a class-action lawsuit against the New York State Board of Elections on Monday morning, claiming their voter registration was changed to “independent” or “no affiliation” without their consent.

In closed primary states like New York, voters who are not registered as Democrats or Republicans can’t vote in those primaries. Voters identifying as independents wishing to vote in the Democratic primary had to change their registration to Democrat by October of 2015 — the earliest registration deadline in the country.

This is almost exactly what happened in Arizona, when voters who had been eager to vote in the Democratic primary learned upon arrival to their designated polling place that their registration had been changed, making them ineligible to vote. In conducting their own investigation of what exactly happened in Arizona, hacktivist collective Anonymous discovered that Arizona kept voter information on an SQL database, which is so easy to hack a 3-year-old can do it. In fact, a white hat hacker discovered a database of 191 million voter registrations last year, which may mean that other, more nefarious hackers have accessed that information as well.

[msongs]

1. usuncut. propaganda mouthpiece of the bernie sanders campaign nt

[bkkyosemite]

4. That's your opinion. If you are in denial I cannot do a thing about it.

[dchill]

51. +1

[arely staircase]

66. Sounds like an anti circumcision publication nt

[bkkyosemite]

2. But who is behind it I would like to know. Because it mostly is disenfranchising the Dems...wonder

if there is a certain age group of those affected.

[CorkySt.Clair]

3. Here comes the narrative for Tuesday night

[bkkyosemite]

5. Well I'm sure you think all this flip flopping vote registrations are just a figment of

everyone's imagination.

[CorkySt.Clair]

9. Uh huh

Whatever gets you through the stages.

[TMontoya]

14. Yes

It is. Really nothing more than that. Its independent Bernie supporters who are just bitter they couldn't bother learning the rules.

[Fawke Em]

29. I can see you didn't read the article or you would have seen images of the evidence.

So, in order to show the world how much Clinton supporters dig their heads in the sand, I'll post them here:



Signatures don't match.




This guy actually WANTED to have his registration show he was a socialist, but it was flipped to Democrat. He never changed it back and now it's flipped again, proving there is something more there than sour grapes by Bernie supporters.

I originally selected “socialist” on my registration in 2012. When my card came I was pissed that they had placed me in the “Democratic” party. This is why I know I was registered as a democrat. I never changed it, figuring that they only placed people in 1 of the 2 parties. Flash forward to a month ago, I started hearing about the things going on and double checked my registration. Suddenly it was “Other”.

I remember when Democrats tried to protect voters' rights.

[TeeYiYi]

49. Wow...

...I hope some good attorneys get behind this investigation.

This primary race reminds me of the chicanery of the Rovian 2000 Gore v. Bush race...

TYY

[Else You Are Mad]

55. Oh wow.

This is fine for camp Hillary because it is helping her in the primary. But they will cry in the GE if there is election fraud that hurts her.

ETA: People's signatures change, mine is not exactly like it was back in 2002 when I registered to vote, but NOBODY switches from slashes to dashes in the way they write dates.

[JudyM]

10. You look so dashing in blinders!

[CorkySt.Clair]

11. Awwwww thanks.

[mcar]

12. Yes

If Hillary wins, it's cheating. No chance that Democrats may prefer her. We're too low information to know better.

[CorkySt.Clair]

13. Lots of closed primaries coming up, too

[mcar]

16. How dare Democrats choose their nominee?!!11

[CorkySt.Clair]

17. I know! The nerve!

[Fawke Em]

33. How dare you chastise Independents when they won't vote for her in November.

[geek tragedy]

42. They can't vote in the R primary either

Trump supporters aren't whining

[Fawke Em]

54. Because their registrations aren't being flipped.

Again, this is only effecting DEMOCRATS. There is no "I can't for Bernie" conspiracy. It's "I can't VOTE!" Period.

[geek tragedy]

57. There's a lot more Democrats complaining because there are a lot more Democrats

Democrats outnumber Rs here by a huge number.

This isn't Arizona or North Carolina where Republicans control the machinery for election rolls.

[grossproffit]

15. Ding, ding, ding!

[rbrnmw]

21. Black Folks are low info voters with no internet

so their votes don't count either. All too busy hanging out on corners causing racism.

[Corporate666]

50. LOL

I was just thinking the same thing.

Any rationale is fair game, except "people just prefer Clinton"

[questionseverything]

65. your handle is perfect for an hc supporter

[grossproffit]

6. Hillary supporters were confronted with this problem in AZ. They were Dems showing as Independents

in the system. They were able to submit provisional ballots but doubt they were counted.

[jillan]

25. No - they weren't. If the system had it wrong, they were given a provisional ballot to shut them up.

And the only provisional ballots that were counted were the ones that matched the poll books.

There are still investigations going on btw, but I don't think anything will change what happened in the primary.
Hopefully it will be fixed in time for the GE.

[geek tragedy]

7. Here come the conspiracy theory excuses nt

[AgerolanAmerican]

8. if one had an insider in the Board of Elections with database access...

It would be trivial to cross-reference Bernie donors with registered voters and bulk change registration, and perhaps to add a little bit of deliberate error so it wasn't completely obvious until it was too late to matter.

[questionseverything]

67. with both the van lists on line and the voters registration on line,

it literally could be any good hacker doing it

that is the problem with electronic data bases concerning voting

everything can be messed with from who can vote, to how the votes are counted, to how the votes are reported

so far the evidence seems to show hc benefiting but even that doesn't mean it is actually hc's campaign /dnc doing it

it could be ubs ( or anyone of the big corporations that have so heavily invested in her)

one thing is certain, until we have a system in place to stop it, it will continue because it is possible

[asuhornets]

18. Bernie supporters

should have registered by the deadline. It is very childish to blame your mistakes on others...

[sadoldgirl]

19. If there has been foul play, I blame the DNC for it.

[MineralMan]

20. A 3-year old can hack a SQL Database?

That's what your article says. There's a link there to a New York Daily News story at your link. Why not post that article? This .one is bogus.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Consider this

there is already a lawsuit in AZ that both campaigns and the DEM PARTY in AZ support.

We have reports of these shenanigans going on everywhere. Yes, there are also reports in CA...

So you might want to consider that somebody is indeed hacking into systems. By the way that is a cyber crime and a felony.

You can keep laughing all you want.

[Fawke Em]

34. Rhetorical license, but, yes, any amatuer with a working knowledge of hacking

can break into an unpatched SQL database.

Guess what industry has the worst record for not updating and patching? Government.

[Fawke Em]

56. You can even learn how to do it online!

[Snarkoleptic]

22. OK, this is getting off the rails.

The original point is that people are complaining "...their voter registration was changed to “independent” or “no affiliation” without their consent."
(meaning some who wanted to vote in this closed primary are being denied their vote).
This is unacceptable in anywhere (happened in red-state AZ), but is especially troublesome in (supposedly) blue-state NY.

Can we really assume our republic has democratic representation when this sort of thing seems all too common?
And for the Hillary supporters jamming this discussion, do you support registration tampering?

Step outside our support of one candiate or another and discuss...

[TMontoya]

23. They can claim whatever they want

I highly doubt thats what happened though. Most likely most of them never were registered Democrats to being with and are now using this as a platform to cry about it.

[Snarkoleptic]

30. Hmmm...new DU'er who discounts on-the-ground accounts of registration tampering.

So please pardon me for assuming, that you're spitballing, and have no factual basis for your comment "most of them never were registered Democrats to being with and are now using this as a platform to cry about it."

Tho you are welcome to attempt to prove me wrong...

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[MoonRiver]

68. So what?

Btw, I think of "new" as someone under 100 posts.

[Fawke Em]

36. You didn't read the story, either, I see.

Please refer to my post above showing clear evidence of the flipping.

[geek tragedy]

27. Records errors do happen.

I can assure you our voter registration system is not advanced enough to accomplish any kind of systemic fraud. It's ... special.

People can fill out affidavit ballots if they think their records got switched by mistake.

[TMontoya]

31. Sure

Record errors and glitches certainly do happen and I really do feel bad for those actually affected by it, but to suggest this was a malicious attempt at fraud with no evidence to support that is pathetic.

[geek tragedy]

32. Indeed.

Affidavit ballots exist for a reason.

[Snarkoleptic]

37. see reply 29 above and let me know if it looks like an "error".

Helpful hint- registration tampering is not the same ans an error/glitch.

[geek tragedy]

39. It's a stupid conspiracy theory

How would they know a person supports one candidate or the other?

[Snarkoleptic]

43. Seems DWS and her minions have a very solid idea who supports who

in the Democractic database. Else, why all of the fighting over access?

[Fawke Em]

44. We don't - but it does seem to be targeting DEMOCRATS.

It's your side that immediately jumped in and yelled that Bernie supporters were claiming that was the case. We didn't. The OP merely posted a story about how this seems to be happening to those who thought they were registered as a Democrat.

Hillary supporters started the "conspiracy theory" meme, not Bernie supporters

[geek tragedy]

46. O rly?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1764945

[Fawke Em]

58. Yes, really.

FIRST POST UNDER THE OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1764517

[geek tragedy]

60. The author of the OP claims that DWS--moonlighting

as a brilliant mastermind--hacked campaign files and issued orders to mess with the voter files of people leaning towards Sanders.

That's pretty much infowars-level crazy talk.

[Snarkoleptic]

35. see reply 29 above and let me know if it looks like an "error".

[Fawke Em]

41. LMAO!!!

You do realize the fact that it's NOT advanced means it's easily hacked?

My company teaches several classes on cyber security. I think after hearing them deny that her server could be hacked and not believing voter registration lists would be go-to targets for cyber attacks, Hillary supporters need to take these classes.

[PATRICK]

62. Even if they are cleaning up the filing

due to this year's unexpectedly relevant primary there is not a hell of a lot they can do for anyone. Even if the errors are coming down for Clinton it probably is not much of a big deal. Seen in this unexpected light maybe the party would like to change a few things- like not cheapskating upstate as if we are all rural peasants scattered over the non-NYC wilderness.

The point is the registration is ponderously frozen in place, but not the voters passions. The state party can get a big black eye on Tuesday if it can't deliver beyond these fixed structures. If anything, the lack of fudging that is even possible will make the results very stark unless the big Clinton win happens.

[jillan]

26. Here we go again - Hillary supporters not understanding this effects her voters too.

When you sign in to vote they do not know who you are going to vote for!

[Fawke Em]

45. Bingo.

[wilsonbooks]

28. It happened in Arizona

http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-election-fraud-primary/

[SidDithers]

38. Setting up the excuses nice and early...nt

Sid

[Snarkoleptic]

40. see reply 29 above and let me know if it looks like an "excuse".

At what point do we have sufficient evidence that our "democracy' is rigged by those conrtrolling the data set.
(Helpful hint- it was when Bush "beat" Gore)

[geek tragedy]

47. When you have actual evidence rather than

"something I read on the Internet."

[TMontoya]

48. I read it

Thats not evidence of anything other than someone knows how to take a picture.

[Fawke Em]

59. Do you know what an affidavit is?

Basically, it's sworn testimony with presented evidence. These people took the pictures so that they can swear they didn't change their information.

They believe they've been wronged and they're filing suit tomorrow: http://www.inquisitr.com/3002992/as-registration-mix-ups-are-reported-should-ny-democrats-switch-to-open-primaries-lawsuit-to-be-filed-monday-by-voters/

[Snarkoleptic]

52. Nothing to see here...move along...

[Fawke Em]

53. Hacking into voting information is rather lucrative...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html

A database of this information from 191 million voter records was posted online over the last week, the latest example of voter data becoming freely available, alarming privacy experts who say the information can be used for phishing attacks, identity theft and extortion. The information is no longer publicly accessible.

It is not known who built the database, where all the data came from, and whether its disclosure resulted from an inadvertent release or from hacks. The disclosure was discovered by an information technology specialist, Chris Vickery, and the findings were published on databreaches.net. The federal authorities were alerted to possible concerns about security and the legality of what was done.

http://blackboxvoting.org/voter-data-breaches/

HACKING

Smashing a door is so noisy. Why not grab a thousand times more information while sipping a cappuccino at your desk? Or just hire a hacker. For small jobs, such as cracking into someone’s e-mail or guessing their password, it may cost less than $200 with an online payment, though for big jobs you might need to make a personal visit to a conduit in China with a bag full of cash.

According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, hacker communities sometimes solicit online, and will “penetrate a passworded system in 48 hours or less for as little as $150.” One method, reports the Journal, is to spoof the e-mail of someone you know. You will likely open that message, which then installs malware which hands over your passwords.14

That’s exactly what happened in 2011, potentially exposing information for nearly a million Maine voters.15 “The apparent breach was the result of malware — or malicious computer software — found on a workstation computer in the town clerk’s office in the northern Penobscot County town of Millinocket,” the state reported. Each town can access the entire state voter database. According to the Bangor Daily News, “[Secretary of State Charlie] Summers said they strongly suspect that some information was accessed. We just don’t know how much or the size of the breach.” A day later, Summers decided that “no personal information was compromised.” Depending on the sophistication of the hack, or the political priorities of those involved (this is politics, after all), you may want to take that statement with a grain of salt.16

A voter data hacking incident was investigated by the Miami Herald in 2013, resulting in prosecution of an aide to Congressman Joe Garcia. The aide had hacked voter data to counterfeit requests for absentee ballots, at first using an easily traceable Miami IP address, later wising up to conceal his computer’s identity with various foreign IP addresses.17

[doc03]

61. In case Bernie loses got to get the she cheated BS out n/t

[Uncle Joe]

63. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Snarkoleptic.

[HereSince1628]

64. This election, more than many in the past, has revealed the many points where manipulation

is possible.

Realizing how tenuous the people's hold is on the core process in representative government, will the people not be bothered by this? Will they simply shrug their shoulders, and forget it all until next time, leaving deliberative bodies (within political parties, and within government) to further modify the hidden internal processes to better fit the 'pragmatic' needs of the political PTB?

Yes, sady, that is what I fully expect.

[LiberalFighter]

69. The data would say otherwise.

There are 8,844 fewer registered without a party and 1,616 fewer registered as Independent.

There should be an uptick in those numbers. Not fewer.