2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Hillary Clinton Should Be US President (If She Wins the Democratic Nomination)
Because anyone the GOP nominates will be so exponentially worse that we're in truly far deeper in major economic, social, environmental, military meltdown than we would be with President Hillary Clinton.
Does that mean I wouldn't rather have President Bernie Sanders?
No.
But I'd just as soon not make the election unwinnable for ANY Democrat with circular firing squad nonsense.
That is all.
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kevink077
(365 posts)Clinton is way better than whoever the far right conservative religious police state nuts trot put.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I'd like to know, because she sure does act like them. War comes to mind.
agreed.
Foreign policy wise I consider her to be far worse. Domestic policy wise - far worse - she's bought out by all the wrong people, banksters, etc. and her connections to corruption are too vast. Social policy wise, oh hey we can keep abortion(I think - she backtracks on it and I don't trust her not to be electing people with republican values to the supreme court.) and social security would last. We would have the TPP and fracking and nobody stopping climate change. At least the Republicans are against the TPP so I could still have a job.
I don't consider Hillary better on too many things that count.
I won't vote for her.
Zorro
(15,740 posts)you should take a hike over to your fellow confederates at FR and stop infesting this Democratic website.
Zira
(1,054 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)SHE STILL WANT S THE NO FLY ZONE OVER SYRIA! HILLARY IS UNSAFE!
Zira
(1,054 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)Response to Zira (Reply #9)
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peacebird
(14,195 posts)I will never vote for her. Let us hope that New York delivers big for Bernie, the only D running who handily beats every R running. The candidate with THE highest favorability ratings in the race D or R. And with the LOWEST unfav ratings of D or R
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Imagine him with the nuke codes.......
Hillary is a Democrat and FAR FAR better then anyone on the Republican side.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)The Planet needs Bernie!
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)First husband/wife impeachments.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And honestly, the GOP right now is such a irredeemable train wreck of a clusterfuck, whoever it is should have a relatively easy time of it.
Unfortunately Hillary and her supporters seem determined to alienate everyone under 50, piss off everyone who isn't a midtown Manhattan condo owner who supports the drug war, and run a campaign which might have half worked 20 years ago but looks as dated as the macarena, now.
Still, she might win despite herself and her bad advisors.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)GD-P is basically like the World Cup matches with dueling Vuvuzelas on either side.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Barely.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Who am I Kidding. Nobody likes her but about 30 people on DU.
She will flame out like the Hindenburg and we will have 4 years of a republican rule.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)If you are worried about the GOP, VOTE SANDERS: he polls better than Clinton in all match-ups.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Republicans and independents would turn out to beat her at a higher rate than Democrats and independents would turn out to vote for a candidate who they distrust and dislike to beat another candidate who they also dislike.
Look at the size of Hillary's endorsement lead:
(This graph is a bit out of date and omits several recent Sanders endorsements, but it generally shows the size of Hillary's advantage).
Given this historically large advantage among the establishment wing of the party, a healthy candidate would have capitalized on this advantage to have locked this election away months ago.
Obviously, the race is not locked away. Here is a graph of all of the Ipsos/Reuters national polls:
Here is a graph of all of the McClatchy/Marist polling:
Here is a graph of the Bloomberg/Selzer polling:
This should be a huge concern. Hillary's weakness is not without explanation:
DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE WE COULD NOMINATE A HISTORICALLY DISLIKED AND DISTRUSTED CANDIDATE WITHOUT THERE BEING CONSEQUENCES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION?