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Hillary claims to be a Progressive (Original Post) SHRED Apr 2016 OP
Leader vs Follower Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #1
Yup, just like she followed cheney/bush into war. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #3
She is not a Progressive. And she's not releasing those transcripts because what is in them... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #2
Bridge for sale mike45567 Apr 2016 #35
It doesn't matter what Hillary claims to be - she is beating the hell out of your guy CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #4
Apparently you're delighted with the illusion. SHRED Apr 2016 #6
Yes, I am! CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #10
A philosopher... SHRED Apr 2016 #15
Clueless.... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #29
If she's struggling to win the hearts and minds of liberals... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #39
You don't need to worry about Hillary CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #40
"impossible" Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #44
See, that right there is the problem. It doesn't matter to you what she claims. It doesn't... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #7
Nor does does it matter what Sanders fans write on GD-P CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #11
See, that right there. You didn't even bother to defend her - because it doesn't matter to you what ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #14
Okay, I defend Hillary 100% against all invalid charges CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #17
No, just go ahead and put me on ignore so you can't see what I'm posting. I don't need anyone... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #20
Nah, I put no one on ignore.... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #27
Well, goody for you. Go one thinking it doesn't matter what Hillary says. That's the point... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #33
whats invalid about retrowire Apr 2016 #28
Okay, that bit of vacuous inanity earned you a trip to where most of your fellow acolytes reside. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #45
You make me proud. CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #46
... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #5
How long did it take you to make that one up? CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #12
Can't take credit for it....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #16
So you are admiting to a copyright infringment? CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #19
You want me to provide you with the author's email? n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #23
Please don't bother CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #24
. RandySF Apr 2016 #8
haha....good meme. pantsonfire Apr 2016 #18
she is definitely not a Progressive... take a look at this... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #9
That's why I'm voting for Hillary CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #13
That's great ... thanks El Douche berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #21
Name calling... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #25
Curious..do you view yourself as a center-right? quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #31
did ya realize ya called me a name first... clintonites have their heads so far... in the sand... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #38
Hillary is a neocon. delrem Apr 2016 #22
You know you no longer have to worry about Hillary Clinton CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #41
She also is part of a family that argues what the meaning of is is. HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #26
Well, she has claimed her politics are rooted in the conservatism with which she was raised; merrily Apr 2016 #30
The DLC is center left - but prospective is everything. CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #42
Poster please. merrily Apr 2016 #48
Hillary's been more transparent than any candidate in history. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #32
here's a question TheDormouse Apr 2016 #43
she will be calling progressives NAZI's in 4, 3, 2 reddread Apr 2016 #34
And, Al Capone claimed to be a busnessman. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #36
Hillary claims a lot of things; doesn't mean they're true. Avalux Apr 2016 #37
kind of like how the junior Senator from Vermont claims to be a Democrat nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #47

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
1. Leader vs Follower
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:18 AM
Apr 2016

A leader says "I'll go first".

A follower says "I'll do it after everyone else does".

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
2. She is not a Progressive. And she's not releasing those transcripts because what is in them...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:19 AM
Apr 2016

...will stop her candidacy in its tracks.

If she had nothing to hide, she would release them. She isn't releasing them. That means she has something to hide.

mike45567

(12 posts)
35. Bridge for sale
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

She really can't be more blatant than the last debate. She actually quotes swiftboater "bridge to the future" fracking sales lines.
Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger made her what she is. Too bad New York is unaware of atmospheric methane levels.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
10. Yes, I am!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:34 AM
Apr 2016

If beating Sanders by over 2.5 Million votes is an illusion, the hell with reality

If making it impossible for Sanders to win the nomination is an alternate reality, I'm moving there.

But if your are Sanders fan, than you have been living in an illusion by definition.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
39. If she's struggling to win the hearts and minds of liberals...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016

she's going to have a hell of a time in the general with an American public that DESPISES her.

Prance around on your high horse celebrating your glorious leader's slim lead in a contest in which SHE HAD EVERY ADVANTAGE IMAGINABLE going in.

She's going down in November in a fireball of dirty corporate money, overpriced pantsuits, and a lifetime of lies, chicanery, and selfishness. If Trump gets elected, we'll deal wth that POS in due time. But HRC is just as bad because she's sold out to the very forces Democrats are supposed to fight.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
40. You don't need to worry about Hillary
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

That would only be your concern if there was an alternate candidate like Bernie Sanders that had even a ghost of a chance of winning the nomination. Since there is no such candidate, it is completely out of your hands. Thanks for your thoughts though; you can stop worrying now.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
7. See, that right there is the problem. It doesn't matter to you what she claims. It doesn't...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

...matter to any of you what she claims or whether or not she is honest or whether or not she is corrupt with corporate funding. None of her negatives matter to you and your peers. That is the problem with your side of this contest - it just doesn't matter to you.

SMH.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
11. Nor does does it matter what Sanders fans write on GD-P
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:36 AM
Apr 2016

Reality keeps pounding Sanders fans in head whether they live in the Bernie dream world or not.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
14. See, that right there. You didn't even bother to defend her - because it doesn't matter to you what
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:39 AM
Apr 2016

she claims. Instead, you attack Sanders "fans". You didn't even attempt to defend Hillary from my remarks. Because it does not matter to you what she says or does or lies about or for what she votes. You. Don't. Care.

Absolutely astounding!

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
17. Okay, I defend Hillary 100% against all invalid charges
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

Which means I defend yer 100% against all charges posted by Sanders fans on DU-P. Any thing else before ignore any any additional posts?

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
20. No, just go ahead and put me on ignore so you can't see what I'm posting. I don't need anyone...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016

...that supports a candidate who doesn't care what she claims and will vote for her no matter what she says, even if it's not true. It doesn't matter to you what she claims. You will follow her unconditionally.

Now, do your thang.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
27. Nah, I put no one on ignore....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

I just simply ignore any addition posts on a thread after people have demonstrate that they have nothing important to say. We have obviously reached that point with you.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
33. Well, goody for you. Go one thinking it doesn't matter what Hillary says. That's the point...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

...we've reached with you. You don't care what she claims. You will follow her unconditionally, no matter what she claims. That is clear.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
28. whats invalid about
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

White noise machines and transcripts that she refuses to release?

You're supporting a candidate that is blatantly non transparent.

How is that invalid? Why doesn't that matter to you?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
45. Okay, that bit of vacuous inanity earned you a trip to where most of your fellow acolytes reside.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:31 PM
Apr 2016

Buh-bye...

 

quantumjunkie

(244 posts)
31. Curious..do you view yourself as a center-right?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

I mean, when u read her record above it seems the only person who would vote for her is someone who is a republican.
Just curious.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
38. did ya realize ya called me a name first... clintonites have their heads so far... in the sand...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

and you're one of the deepest

delrem

(9,688 posts)
22. Hillary is a neocon.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

The entirety of her terms in office, first as Senator and then as SoS, proves it.
She doesn't know what the term 'progressive' means. It's just a sound she hears, that's all.

She set up a private server so as to completely and absolutely foil FOIA requests.
Now there's THAT mess, and I'm sure her handlers told her that they would handle it - since there's no way they wouldn't have known that the mess was coming down the line.

"The transcripts" are nothing, whatever is in them. Empty words. The essence of it is the money paid to the Clinton's private account to the tune of a couple hundred million dollars so far. The essence of it is the money paid to the Clinton Foundation, entrusted to the direction of the Clinton Family, to the tune of a couple billion dollars so far.

The only thing the Clintons have to sell is political favor, and that's a fact.

And that money is chicken feed to the money raked in by those for whom she does the political favors, that they bought fair and square.

The ground is slick with the salivation as the hounds gather for what comes after a Hillary win. They can't wait.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
41. You know you no longer have to worry about Hillary Clinton
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

After tomorrow it will be almost impossible for Sanders to win the nomination, So no matter how bad a candidate she is,m she will be the Democratic nominee, so you will just have to get used to the idea.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
26. She also is part of a family that argues what the meaning of is is.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:48 AM
Apr 2016

That woman has clearly been damaged by the raging liberal professors of her old law school.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. Well, she has claimed her politics are rooted in the conservatism with which she was raised;
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:51 AM
Apr 2016

she was a founding member of the DLC, which was center right; she's claimed to be a moderate; and she's claimed to be a progressive, but she corrected Matthews PDQ when he referred to her as "liberal."

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
42. The DLC is center left - but prospective is everything.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

Unless you are far left wing, in which case anything to the right of Elizabeth Warren is a far right conservative. By normal people Hillary is considered very liberal.

There have been several objective examinations of how liberal the candidates are:

Here is one which show that Hillary at 6.5L is more liberal than Andrew Cuomo (5.5L), Jim Webb
(5.4L), and Joe Biden (4.5L), but of course not as liberal as Bernie Sanders (8.2L):

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidate_ratings_and_scorecards

Here is another comparison:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/findthebest-/every-2016-candidate-from_b_7562176.html

Here is another comparison:

http://dailysignal.com/2015/01/15/political-startup-ranks-conservative-liberal-2016-candidates/

There many others that you can google up - all of these comparisons show that the standard Sanders fan meme that Hillary isn't liberal enough is just plain bull shit. (I would be more discrete, but the initials BS has become associated with Bernie Sanders on DU and I don't want any misunderstandings.

Frankly I am more worried that normal people may consider Hillary too liberal than what weird folks on the far left think.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
32. Hillary's been more transparent than any candidate in history.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

Sorry if you don't like that. Maybe when Bernie catches up and does more than the bare minimum when it comes to transparency, he can have even the slightest bit of an argument to ask for a historic and unprecedented level from Hillary.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
37. Hillary claims a lot of things; doesn't mean they're true.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

Actions speak louder than words in my book, and Hillary's actions in her public life aren't anything close to progressive.

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