2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary claims to be a Progressive
Yet she won't release her transcripts?
You'd think a real Progressive would be proud of what they told the blood sucking leeches?
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)A leader says "I'll go first".
A follower says "I'll do it after everyone else does".
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...will stop her candidacy in its tracks.
If she had nothing to hide, she would release them. She isn't releasing them. That means she has something to hide.
mike45567
(12 posts)She really can't be more blatant than the last debate. She actually quotes swiftboater "bridge to the future" fracking sales lines.
Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger made her what she is. Too bad New York is unaware of atmospheric methane levels.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)If beating Sanders by over 2.5 Million votes is an illusion, the hell with reality
If making it impossible for Sanders to win the nomination is an alternate reality, I'm moving there.
But if your are Sanders fan, than you have been living in an illusion by definition.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...how quaint.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)..... how quaint.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)she's going to have a hell of a time in the general with an American public that DESPISES her.
Prance around on your high horse celebrating your glorious leader's slim lead in a contest in which SHE HAD EVERY ADVANTAGE IMAGINABLE going in.
She's going down in November in a fireball of dirty corporate money, overpriced pantsuits, and a lifetime of lies, chicanery, and selfishness. If Trump gets elected, we'll deal wth that POS in due time. But HRC is just as bad because she's sold out to the very forces Democrats are supposed to fight.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)That would only be your concern if there was an alternate candidate like Bernie Sanders that had even a ghost of a chance of winning the nomination. Since there is no such candidate, it is completely out of your hands. Thanks for your thoughts though; you can stop worrying now.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...matter to any of you what she claims or whether or not she is honest or whether or not she is corrupt with corporate funding. None of her negatives matter to you and your peers. That is the problem with your side of this contest - it just doesn't matter to you.
SMH.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Reality keeps pounding Sanders fans in head whether they live in the Bernie dream world or not.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)she claims. Instead, you attack Sanders "fans". You didn't even attempt to defend Hillary from my remarks. Because it does not matter to you what she says or does or lies about or for what she votes. You. Don't. Care.
Absolutely astounding!
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Which means I defend yer 100% against all charges posted by Sanders fans on DU-P. Any thing else before ignore any any additional posts?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...that supports a candidate who doesn't care what she claims and will vote for her no matter what she says, even if it's not true. It doesn't matter to you what she claims. You will follow her unconditionally.
Now, do your thang.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I just simply ignore any addition posts on a thread after people have demonstrate that they have nothing important to say. We have obviously reached that point with you.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...we've reached with you. You don't care what she claims. You will follow her unconditionally, no matter what she claims. That is clear.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)White noise machines and transcripts that she refuses to release?
You're supporting a candidate that is blatantly non transparent.
How is that invalid? Why doesn't that matter to you?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Buh-bye...
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Not good!
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Frankly my dear.....
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Far left liberals are weird
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)quantumjunkie
(244 posts)I mean, when u read her record above it seems the only person who would vote for her is someone who is a republican.
Just curious.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)and you're one of the deepest
delrem
(9,688 posts)The entirety of her terms in office, first as Senator and then as SoS, proves it.
She doesn't know what the term 'progressive' means. It's just a sound she hears, that's all.
She set up a private server so as to completely and absolutely foil FOIA requests.
Now there's THAT mess, and I'm sure her handlers told her that they would handle it - since there's no way they wouldn't have known that the mess was coming down the line.
"The transcripts" are nothing, whatever is in them. Empty words. The essence of it is the money paid to the Clinton's private account to the tune of a couple hundred million dollars so far. The essence of it is the money paid to the Clinton Foundation, entrusted to the direction of the Clinton Family, to the tune of a couple billion dollars so far.
The only thing the Clintons have to sell is political favor, and that's a fact.
And that money is chicken feed to the money raked in by those for whom she does the political favors, that they bought fair and square.
The ground is slick with the salivation as the hounds gather for what comes after a Hillary win. They can't wait.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)After tomorrow it will be almost impossible for Sanders to win the nomination, So no matter how bad a candidate she is,m she will be the Democratic nominee, so you will just have to get used to the idea.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)That woman has clearly been damaged by the raging liberal professors of her old law school.
merrily
(45,251 posts)she was a founding member of the DLC, which was center right; she's claimed to be a moderate; and she's claimed to be a progressive, but she corrected Matthews PDQ when he referred to her as "liberal."
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Unless you are far left wing, in which case anything to the right of Elizabeth Warren is a far right conservative. By normal people Hillary is considered very liberal.
There have been several objective examinations of how liberal the candidates are:
Here is one which show that Hillary at 6.5L is more liberal than Andrew Cuomo (5.5L), Jim Webb
(5.4L), and Joe Biden (4.5L), but of course not as liberal as Bernie Sanders (8.2L):
https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidate_ratings_and_scorecards
Here is another comparison:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/findthebest-/every-2016-candidate-from_b_7562176.html
Here is another comparison:
http://dailysignal.com/2015/01/15/political-startup-ranks-conservative-liberal-2016-candidates/
There many others that you can google up - all of these comparisons show that the standard Sanders fan meme that Hillary isn't liberal enough is just plain bull shit. (I would be more discrete, but the initials BS has become associated with Bernie Sanders on DU and I don't want any misunderstandings.
Frankly I am more worried that normal people may consider Hillary too liberal than what weird folks on the far left think.
merrily
(45,251 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Sorry if you don't like that. Maybe when Bernie catches up and does more than the bare minimum when it comes to transparency, he can have even the slightest bit of an argument to ask for a historic and unprecedented level from Hillary.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Actions speak louder than words in my book, and Hillary's actions in her public life aren't anything close to progressive.