2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMeme of the day recycled: Clinton (again) asks where Sanders was during the health care fight of 90s
https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/721821306057068544We need to get video of this... Who does she think she is fooling...
dchill
(38,505 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)before the truth gets its pants on.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)8 years of Dubyah, etc., have made Americans immune to non-stop lying.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)amenable to healthcare.
20 years worth.
When it would have been cheaper to just give it to people.
But, they lied and probably over a million poorer Americans died, as the Doha Development Agenda talks dragged on.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've posted the info before and it got little notice.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)It didn't get much attention. Someone else posted about the same thing and it did, so I am glad that issue finally got some attention. Maybe after a few people bring it up.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)"Taken off the table" by the DLC, Repubs didn't have to do anything. Insurance lobby coup de money.
Response to dchill (Reply #8)
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)What the hell kind of hide is that??? I guess you are being alert stalked, though since there's no time outs I don't know why they bother.
What is wrong with what you said? Dean did sell out. He's a paid lobbyist now. Duh.
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haikugal
(6,476 posts)We have special rules for the special few...
Ok...that's a bogus hide by a bunch of stalkers!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)It is really a stupid hide. How can they do that for such a nothing post that is factually accurate?
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Thanks!
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)TSIAS
(14,689 posts)How could it possibly have been hidden. Is Howard Dean a sacred cow at DU now?
Nothing personal against a DU'er. Hardly the worst insult leveled at a POLITICIAN.
Now that cali has decided to stay away I guess the Clinton Cave has found a new target.
jillan
(39,451 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)who hide posts that have no business being hidden (or not hiding posts that deserve to be hidden)?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)has had a target on her back for a long time here.
If his announcement earlier meant anything at all, she'll be back straightaway. And some people should definitely lose jury privileges over this.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Just a thought.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I think he meant he wanted to level the playing field on the juries between Sanders supporters and Clinton fans.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)I've never seen this be allowed before. In the past 2 days, though, I've seen 3 replies to hidden posts.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)She has been alert stalked by the campers for a long time.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)On Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:22 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
That hide was bullshit, and those animals deserve to lose their jury privs.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1767233
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Calling DU'ers and jurors "animals" is beyond the pale.This kind of viciousness just doesn't belong here. Skinner will deal with any untoward actions on the part of jurors. This is exactly the kind of nastiness that needs to be addressed.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:34 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The HRC people are out of control on this site and it's becoming tiresome. I've been on this site since 2004 and I've never seen a group run amok like these folks. Let VP's post stand and give it a rest.
Ned_Devine
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is more than enough nastiness going around these days. This is close to the edge but emotions are running so high so I'm iffy on this. When in doubt, I don't hide.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: it's just an opinion yet I guess some may take it as disparagement. Still, we certainly aren't flora. very mixed on this one.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)It's like they expect someone who's been slandered as a tea partier, a misogynist, and a racist to not punch back. Heat, kitchen, all that. You're a saint, Ned.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)The real reason we can't have affordable health care without selling out our doctors and nurses and brining in foreign temps - is that those jobs have been put into a sort of global poker game- Its a fake crisis created to push the country into allowing more Mode Four- Mode Four is part of a WTO services trade deal-
GATS is a trade deal signed by Bill Clinton in 1994 - The General Agreement on Trade in Services. It is the real reason our health care and education are so screwed up.
Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)And it should certainly be its own thread!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Haven't seen you around much, hope you're enjoying the beautiful spring weather.
Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)Spring has finally come to New England and the weather is lovely. I've been around, mostly just lurking. It's better for my blood pressure, lol!
senz
(11,945 posts)It's horrifying.
It would make a great OP which would put the information out where more people could see it. Maybe a few New Yorkers would be interested.
George II
(67,782 posts)And why not give a full summary of contributors to the Clinton Global Initiative?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)She is not all that good at "getting things done." At least not positive things.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Sitting on Brock's desk?
Contact the media. Today's spin will be....
They must be starting over.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)from all the sniper fire in Bosnia that she was subjected to?
Thanks for the thread, GeorgiaPeanuts.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It has absolutely nothing to do with her own actions.
Really.
the meme says so, so it must be true.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Her supporters say she's the true Democrat, but that is just words. . .
Look at her, Rebpulican 101. . .
Ignore the facts, ignore the truth, ignore your own lying EYES. . . .
and double down on the BIG LIE! It's who she is.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Something along the lines of "Hillary asks: where was Senator Sanders during my speech on healthcare?"
Song in the background playing : "There is someone walking behind you. Turn around look at me"
Come on, someone do it! LOL.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)vimeo.com/163178551
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)There is a reason he has as few Senate endorsements as Ted Cruz. He doesn't work well with others. All he does is talk down to people. If that's what he did in the 90s during the health care push, it's no wonder he could be said to not have helped.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)To listen to him. Perhaps we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
Corporations are people too just keep the money flowing to our campaigns, keep giving us more and more and we'll quid pro quo the hell out of the 99%. Been working at getting it just right for many a decade now and the cake is nearly done! It'll be a gas!
Ha Ha Ha Yuckety Yuck.
Suckas.
randome
(34,845 posts)And the unavoidable method to use to push through that is...diplomacy. In fact, it's essential.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Is she getting terribly bad advice from her handlers or is her memory really this bad?