2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie is what I call a camplaigner.
Lots of complaints about everyone and everything, but no substantive, reasonable or attainable solutions.
Rile 'em up... That's about all he's got.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)think
(11,641 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And it would be a stretch since they voted together 93% of the time.
think
(11,641 posts)Soft core corruption is legal but it shouldn't be. Many of the inflated weapons deals to dictators who donated to Hillary's foundation also wreak.
CONOR FRIEDERSDORF JUL 31, 2015
The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.
~Snip~
The article adds that there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clintons involvement in the case and the banks donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton. Maybe its all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasnt even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.
But even that wouldnt make accepting the $1.5 million excusable.
If youre Bill Clinton and your wife has recently intervened, in her capacity as a cabinet secretary, to help a giant corporation avert a significant threat to its bottom-line, the very least you could do, if only to avoid the appearance of impropriety, is to avoid negotiating seven-figure paydays with that same corporation. This is particularly jaw-dropping because ultra-wealthy Bill Clinton has virtually unlimited opportunities to give lucrative speeches to any number of audiences not directly implicated by decisions that his wife made as secretary of state.
But maximizing the Clinton familys wealth and power requires him to speak before the very wealthiest paymasters. And thats exactly what the ex-president has done...
Read more:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/
And 7 out 14 banks that are being sued by a pension fund for rigging interest rates didn't just pay Hillary millions in speaking fees because of her expertise on banking. That's a lot of corrupt banks paying HUGE money to a future presidential candidate that if elected would be in charge of appointing people to police and regulate these corrupt banks. I sure as hell don't trust her to not be influenced by all that money.
You can believe that if you want. But a Hilary administration would most likely be just as soft on bank crime as the Obama administration and that's just wrong. Criminal banks deserve to be prosecuted where people go to jail for their crimes.
When Goldman Sachs admits defrauding its customers and no one goes to jail the system is corrupt.
Deals | Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:23pm EDT
A federal judge in Manhattan on Monday rejected an effort by 14 of the world's biggest banks to throw out a private lawsuit accusing them of rigging an interest rate benchmark used in the $553 trillion derivatives market.
U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman said investors led by several pension funds and municipalities could pursue federal antitrust claims over an alleged conspiracy to rig "ISDAfix" from 2009 to 2012, and breach of contract and unjust enrichment claims against most defendants. Other claims were dismissed.
The defendants include Bank of America Corp, Barclays Plc, BNP Paribas SA, Citigroup Inc, Credit Suisse Group AG, Deutsche Bank AG, Goldman Sachs Group Inc, HSBC Holdings Plc, JPMorgan Chase & Co, Morgan Stanley, Nomura Holdings Inc, Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, UBS AG and Wells Fargo & Co....
Read more:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-banks-rigging-lawsuit-idUSKCN0WU1E8
indigoth
(137 posts)She managed the corrupt part all by herself. Bernie had nothing to do with it. He's not even the only one pointing it out.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)She could breathe and the carbon dioxide would come out crooked.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)why do you have a Head and Shoulders ad, starring Hillary, in your post?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Really rings true!
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Very little action
Not that his ideas are bad...
To me, he's a talker , not a doer.
think
(11,641 posts)and you call this complaining...
Zorro
(15,740 posts)You forgot that one.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Thanks, you're really channeling Archie Bunker here!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)by far. There's absolutely ZERO in the post you were supposedly responding to that mentions 'Jews' or refers to Bernie as a Jew. You threw that in gratuitously. And it's a remark that says more about your sterotypes than anything else.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)SMH
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)You actually think his millions of loyal followers don't share the same visions and goals?
Wow.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Bernie hasn't been in the Oval Office.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Tuition free public college
$15 hour minimum wage
etc.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)My ignore list is getting SO long. But I do add the names of people who have nothing to say, all of those with empty, vacuous mud slinging. . . . .
Congratulations! You've made the list, buh bye
YOU are the non-substantive compliainers.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)No. Thank. You.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)She represents the old guard.
C'mon. It'll be more of the same old - same old.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Business as usual, and the little guy takes it in the neck, again.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)is too liberal for you.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I'd say he's a hell of a campaigner.
People like free stuff. He's far from the first person to tap into that.
LiberalFighter
(50,947 posts)nruthie
(466 posts)This campaign has been going on for way too long; the more I see and hear of them the more irritating they become. It has turned into a circus on both sides.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)On the left, he has become their king. As mayor of Burlington, he got a lot done. Washington, with all of its mud and complexity, is much less of a fit, especially if he wants to be its highest-ranking officer. His ambitions far outstrip his abilities, but he will be the last to admit it. He is not, thankfully, a destructive person so he will be on board with defeating the GOP in November. I'm interested to see how that goes. Hillary and Bernie are both a little thin-skinned. I expect the President will be of some help.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Or the arms industry, or the corporations that outsourced all the jobs.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)griffi94
(3,733 posts)his ideas sound great until you start trying to make them work.
He's tapped into a lot of youthful anger by basically saying Life isn't fair over and over.
Response to boston bean (Original post)
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firebrand80
(2,760 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)There are solutions to everything that he "complains" about. Just listen a little deeper.
Clinton, on the other hand has not definitive plans, she's just a "No We Can't" candidate. Okay if you like the status quo. I guess if you want things to remain as they are, that's your business.
AirmensMom
(14,643 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)You need only to look at John Kerry to see that letting a false claim ride without a full on response can find a swift boat, engine running, with your name on it. Sanders is answering false claims which in turn are twisted and turned by Clinton. Don't expect Bernie to take any crap. If you do you will be disappointed.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Do you have a problem with those things he doesn't like?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Yeah, that's not the thing of stereotypes.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... anything.
Hmmmm, there should be a book of stereotypes or something
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They don't recognize them when they see them. Talking about actual issues registers as whining and complaining to them. That's because they are satisfied with the status quo (right wing conservatives).
boston bean
(36,221 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillary supporters dont discuss issues, they whine and complain instead. This OP is a prime example of it.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Final answer.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Final, Final answer.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)you wish the poors would just shut up already.
athena
(4,187 posts)That's why Bernie does so well in caucus states. The poor who work three jobs just to make ends meet can't afford to spend three hours to vote for the person they support. Caucuses favor those who have few responsibilities, no children, no disabilities, and a lot of money.
And yet we're told over and over again that Hillary is the rich person's candidate.
artyteacher
(598 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Oh beano, you're such a gasser.
Keep working on it, you might sum up enough wit to power a piss ants go cart half a lap around a tictac.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and doesn't offer much hope or optimism.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)But that's just an interpretation. And he does have substantial plans. They're on his website.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Tell the truth... when it came to you as you lay in bed last night you thought it would go over big on DU this morning. Congratulations on making up a new word... that's always fun.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Amazing how he's managed to snowball millions of us stupid voters who don't do research, as well as a lot of economic experts.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)That seems to be all the Clinton campaign has. Well that and a whole bunch of baggage.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Impressive.....I'm sure it will be as big as "spork" or "brunch".
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)The irony!
Oh, come on. It is actually pretty funny and I predict it gets some traction. It applies to so many politicians, Trump being an even better example!
Btw, your screen name is excellent.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)a classic, to be sure.
Gothmog
(145,320 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)I think he gets terrible advice from someone, probably Weaver. One cluster after the other.