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Bernie is what I call a camplaigner. (Original Post) boston bean Apr 2016 OP
Hillary is what I call corrupt. Barack_America Apr 2016 #1
He's got you all riled up! That was the goal. boston bean Apr 2016 #5
No. Hillary is corrupt. Only those too enamored can't see the obvious... think Apr 2016 #6
What actions has she taken that you view as corrupt? Bernie couldn't think of any. pnwmom Apr 2016 #81
The UBS bank IRS intervention while SoS to name 1. Bill then got $1.5 million to speak to UBS think Apr 2016 #85
Actually, no indigoth Apr 2016 #9
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #12
Nah, Hillary is what riles me. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #17
She's got you riled up bostonbean,lol! wendylaroux Apr 2016 #54
Great hair can't have flakes! Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #76
I like it! MoonRiver Apr 2016 #2
Sanders is all talk apcalc Apr 2016 #3
Single payer, a living wage, breaking up criminal too big to fail banks, fighting climate change think Apr 2016 #4
And a free pony for everybody! Zorro Apr 2016 #57
Man, there's nothing like a good Jewish stereotype! Bonobo Apr 2016 #7
How the fuck is complaining a "Jewish stereotype", where do SBS supporters get this shit from?! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #14
Calm down, you'll bust something! Bonobo Apr 2016 #22
How bout bustin Sanders camplaining?! Perfect description of him uponit7771 Apr 2016 #34
That's awfully close to Jew baiting. Too close. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #61
have you heard from bravenak lately? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #55
Havent seen her since her 12th hide AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #63
Most likely alerted stalked like a lot of AA posters have been done on DU uponit7771 Apr 2016 #65
really? mmmm hmmm... wendylaroux Apr 2016 #70
Archie Bunker wasn't Jewish. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #30
Huh? nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #48
Really, really lame. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #8
really really true, all gripe and no answers uponit7771 Apr 2016 #18
And how do you know that? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #26
Because he says "I don't know" when asked about major parts of his platform that's how uponit7771 Apr 2016 #29
That might be one reason.. or his answer is revolutin tootin son of a guns! boston bean Apr 2016 #44
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10
Single payer healthcare GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #11
I can't believe how many Hillary supporters are so non-substantive. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #13
So, business as usual is just fine, in HRC Land TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #15
Under Obama America has progressed, that's a lot better than complain and get nothing done uponit7771 Apr 2016 #20
You think Hillary will improve anything? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #24
Yes, slow and sure cause of congress but yes...not dogmatic and complaining a lot uponit7771 Apr 2016 #31
She'll fit back in with the good 'ol boys down there TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #40
Perfect description! Well done, you! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #16
I suspect it's more that anyone to the left of Nixon Broward Apr 2016 #19
Coming to a campaign without fame or money, but with an increasingly popular message? Orsino Apr 2016 #21
Meh CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #39
Very Good! :) LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #23
They both rile me up at this point. nruthie Apr 2016 #25
Sanders and Trump are both competing for "Camplaigner in Chief". DCBob Apr 2016 #27
A lot of people live in a state of permamanent agitation BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #28
"no substantive, reasonable or attainable solutions" as opposed to giving Wall St whatever it wants? hobbit709 Apr 2016 #32
As opposed to giving gun corps immunity from legal proceedings!? Again, Sanders cant throw stones uponit7771 Apr 2016 #37
Never mind, just read my sig line. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #38
That's about it. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #33
Bernie is an idealist griffi94 Apr 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #36
All hat, no cattle? firebrand80 Apr 2016 #41
oh good one cowboy. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #59
Apparently you have not been listening. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #42
You haven't been paying attention, have you? n/t AirmensMom Apr 2016 #43
Do not confuse his responding to every Clinton attack as complaining. peace13 Apr 2016 #45
Nice dogwhistle. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #46
How is the term camplaigner a dog whistle? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #72
A whining, complaining Jewish person. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #73
I've never heard that shit, the Jewish people I know are tough as nails and hardly complain about uponit7771 Apr 2016 #75
Actual issues confuse Hillary supporters AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #47
This is an issue, believe me! LOL boston bean Apr 2016 #50
Actually it's projection AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #51
Actually, no. boston bean Apr 2016 #64
Actually yes. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #78
No. boston bean Apr 2016 #87
We get it My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #49
Poor people are the ones who support Hillary. athena Apr 2016 #62
i like cartoons artyteacher Apr 2016 #52
Oh ahyukhyuk JackInGreen Apr 2016 #53
he makes regular appeals to his supporters' cynicism bigtree Apr 2016 #56
He's running on a policy of changing things, which can be interpreted as "complaining" gollygee Apr 2016 #58
Complaining and having no practical solultions uponit7771 Apr 2016 #66
Yes I'll bet you've used that term dozens of times to describe politicians. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #60
yep, thaat's all folks! Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #67
Nope, Bernie doesn't have one single solution. Not one!!!! Avalux Apr 2016 #68
Trying out a new meme? Matariki Apr 2016 #69
This one works, explains Sanders to a T uponit7771 Apr 2016 #71
Not exactly a new term: Dr. Strange Apr 2016 #74
did you think up that brilliant little portmanteau all by yourself? TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #77
Looks like it goes back to '06 Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #79
Said the "Sarcastinator"! Haveadream Apr 2016 #80
Up until this very moment, I thought I had. But looks like, from up thread, I am not the only one! boston bean Apr 2016 #84
My favorite one is when Hillary and the DNC forces his crew to steal data Sheepshank Apr 2016 #82
Great description of Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #83
In all honesty ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #86

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
81. What actions has she taken that you view as corrupt? Bernie couldn't think of any.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:51 PM
Apr 2016

And it would be a stretch since they voted together 93% of the time.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
85. The UBS bank IRS intervention while SoS to name 1. Bill then got $1.5 million to speak to UBS
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

Soft core corruption is legal but it shouldn't be. Many of the inflated weapons deals to dictators who donated to Hillary's foundation also wreak.

Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

~Snip~

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

But even that wouldn’t make accepting the $1.5 million excusable.

If you’re Bill Clinton and your wife has recently intervened, in her capacity as a cabinet secretary, to help a giant corporation avert a significant threat to its bottom-line, the very least you could do, if only to avoid the appearance of impropriety, is to avoid negotiating seven-figure paydays with that same corporation. This is particularly jaw-dropping because ultra-wealthy Bill Clinton has virtually unlimited opportunities to give lucrative speeches to any number of audiences not directly implicated by decisions that his wife made as secretary of state.

But maximizing the Clinton family’s wealth and power requires him to speak before the very wealthiest paymasters. And that’s exactly what the ex-president has done...

Read more:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/


And 7 out 14 banks that are being sued by a pension fund for rigging interest rates didn't just pay Hillary millions in speaking fees because of her expertise on banking. That's a lot of corrupt banks paying HUGE money to a future presidential candidate that if elected would be in charge of appointing people to police and regulate these corrupt banks. I sure as hell don't trust her to not be influenced by all that money.

You can believe that if you want. But a Hilary administration would most likely be just as soft on bank crime as the Obama administration and that's just wrong. Criminal banks deserve to be prosecuted where people go to jail for their crimes.

When Goldman Sachs admits defrauding its customers and no one goes to jail the system is corrupt.

U.S. judge rejects 14 banks' bid to throw out rate-rigging lawsuit

Deals | Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:23pm EDT

A federal judge in Manhattan on Monday rejected an effort by 14 of the world's biggest banks to throw out a private lawsuit accusing them of rigging an interest rate benchmark used in the $553 trillion derivatives market.

U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman said investors led by several pension funds and municipalities could pursue federal antitrust claims over an alleged conspiracy to rig "ISDAfix" from 2009 to 2012, and breach of contract and unjust enrichment claims against most defendants. Other claims were dismissed.

The defendants include Bank of America Corp, Barclays Plc, BNP Paribas SA, Citigroup Inc, Credit Suisse Group AG, Deutsche Bank AG, Goldman Sachs Group Inc, HSBC Holdings Plc, JPMorgan Chase & Co, Morgan Stanley, Nomura Holdings Inc, Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, UBS AG and Wells Fargo & Co....

Read more:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-banks-rigging-lawsuit-idUSKCN0WU1E8


indigoth

(137 posts)
9. Actually, no
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

She managed the corrupt part all by herself. Bernie had nothing to do with it. He's not even the only one pointing it out.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
54. She's got you riled up bostonbean,lol!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

why do you have a Head and Shoulders ad, starring Hillary, in your post?

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
3. Sanders is all talk
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

Very little action

Not that his ideas are bad...

To me, he's a talker , not a doer.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
4. Single payer, a living wage, breaking up criminal too big to fail banks, fighting climate change
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

and you call this complaining...

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
7. Man, there's nothing like a good Jewish stereotype!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks, you're really channeling Archie Bunker here!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
61. That's awfully close to Jew baiting. Too close.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

by far. There's absolutely ZERO in the post you were supposedly responding to that mentions 'Jews' or refers to Bernie as a Jew. You threw that in gratuitously. And it's a remark that says more about your sterotypes than anything else.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
8. Really, really lame.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

You actually think his millions of loyal followers don't share the same visions and goals?

Wow.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
13. I can't believe how many Hillary supporters are so non-substantive.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:11 AM
Apr 2016

My ignore list is getting SO long. But I do add the names of people who have nothing to say, all of those with empty, vacuous mud slinging. . . . .
Congratulations! You've made the list, buh bye

YOU are the non-substantive compliainers.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
24. You think Hillary will improve anything?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

She represents the old guard.

C'mon. It'll be more of the same old - same old.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
40. She'll fit back in with the good 'ol boys down there
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

Business as usual, and the little guy takes it in the neck, again.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
21. Coming to a campaign without fame or money, but with an increasingly popular message?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

I'd say he's a hell of a campaigner.

nruthie

(466 posts)
25. They both rile me up at this point.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

This campaign has been going on for way too long; the more I see and hear of them the more irritating they become. It has turned into a circus on both sides.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
28. A lot of people live in a state of permamanent agitation
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:26 AM
Apr 2016

On the left, he has become their king. As mayor of Burlington, he got a lot done. Washington, with all of its mud and complexity, is much less of a fit, especially if he wants to be its highest-ranking officer. His ambitions far outstrip his abilities, but he will be the last to admit it. He is not, thankfully, a destructive person so he will be on board with defeating the GOP in November. I'm interested to see how that goes. Hillary and Bernie are both a little thin-skinned. I expect the President will be of some help.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
32. "no substantive, reasonable or attainable solutions" as opposed to giving Wall St whatever it wants?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

Or the arms industry, or the corporations that outsourced all the jobs.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
35. Bernie is an idealist
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

his ideas sound great until you start trying to make them work.
He's tapped into a lot of youthful anger by basically saying Life isn't fair over and over.


Response to boston bean (Original post)

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
42. Apparently you have not been listening.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

There are solutions to everything that he "complains" about. Just listen a little deeper.

Clinton, on the other hand has not definitive plans, she's just a "No We Can't" candidate. Okay if you like the status quo. I guess if you want things to remain as they are, that's your business.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
45. Do not confuse his responding to every Clinton attack as complaining.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

You need only to look at John Kerry to see that letting a false claim ride without a full on response can find a swift boat, engine running, with your name on it. Sanders is answering false claims which in turn are twisted and turned by Clinton. Don't expect Bernie to take any crap. If you do you will be disappointed.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
75. I've never heard that shit, the Jewish people I know are tough as nails and hardly complain about
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

... anything.

Hmmmm, there should be a book of stereotypes or something

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
47. Actual issues confuse Hillary supporters
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

They don't recognize them when they see them. Talking about actual issues registers as whining and complaining to them. That's because they are satisfied with the status quo (right wing conservatives).

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
51. Actually it's projection
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary supporters dont discuss issues, they whine and complain instead. This OP is a prime example of it.

athena

(4,187 posts)
62. Poor people are the ones who support Hillary.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

That's why Bernie does so well in caucus states. The poor who work three jobs just to make ends meet can't afford to spend three hours to vote for the person they support. Caucuses favor those who have few responsibilities, no children, no disabilities, and a lot of money.

And yet we're told over and over again that Hillary is the rich person's candidate.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
53. Oh ahyukhyuk
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

Oh beano, you're such a gasser.
Keep working on it, you might sum up enough wit to power a piss ants go cart half a lap around a tictac.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
58. He's running on a policy of changing things, which can be interpreted as "complaining"
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

But that's just an interpretation. And he does have substantial plans. They're on his website.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
60. Yes I'll bet you've used that term dozens of times to describe politicians.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

Tell the truth... when it came to you as you lay in bed last night you thought it would go over big on DU this morning. Congratulations on making up a new word... that's always fun.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
68. Nope, Bernie doesn't have one single solution. Not one!!!!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

Amazing how he's managed to snowball millions of us stupid voters who don't do research, as well as a lot of economic experts.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
69. Trying out a new meme?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

That seems to be all the Clinton campaign has. Well that and a whole bunch of baggage.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
77. did you think up that brilliant little portmanteau all by yourself?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

Impressive.....I'm sure it will be as big as "spork" or "brunch".

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
80. Said the "Sarcastinator"!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

The irony!

Oh, come on. It is actually pretty funny and I predict it gets some traction. It applies to so many politicians, Trump being an even better example!

Btw, your screen name is excellent.






ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
86. In all honesty
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

I think he gets terrible advice from someone, probably Weaver. One cluster after the other.

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