2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI think Hillary is headed to a landslide in NY.
From my and other canvassing of Brooklyn and this city and state I think Hillary is on target to get close to 60% of the vote in NY. I think at this point the only borough that is competitive is Manhattan. The other 4 are firmly in Hillary's camp. Long Island which has a huge amount of voters also trending heavily towards Clinton. Most if not all of the immediate suburban counties above NYC should also be in Hillary's corner. Dutchess, Putnam, Ulster, and Sullivan maybe battles and Sanders might take one or two but Hillary will hold her own there.
Hillary will do well in the smaller cities upstate. Sanders will do well in rural counties and college towns. In the end I expect Hillary and Sanders to tie the upstate region and Hillary to overwhelm the southern tier.
Brooklyn will be 65% for Hillary. Large rallies are nice but NYers are used to seeing rallies all the time. Yes these were impressive but rallies don't win elections in NY.
Tomorrow will be the big push and I expect to be out at 6 am.
rock
(13,218 posts)About 60% to Hillary's 65%, he's going to be crushed! (You do realize I'm using Sanders math don't you?)
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Should be exciting....
Looking for a great victory for Hillary tomorrow
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)disenfranchise voters.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Nobody cried about them before. The Obama campaign accepted them.
George II
(67,782 posts)...was 1998, and only for a few counties.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)but I'm going to predict 56-44. 60% sounds too high to me, even here. It's hard to judge, though, since internet fervor makes it hard to judge how many are on either side.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You also said it would be over after Iowa and that he peaked in September
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Well?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And he has been accelerating.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She will continue decelerating whether she wins or loses the nomination.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)I heard California polls are solidifying, too. While waiting in line to try and get into Hillary's rally on Saturday at the Los Angeles Southwest College, I heard a lot of conversations from REAL Democrats, millennials included, and they were very level-headed and committed in their support for Hillary. There are obviously more real Democrats who are firmly supporting Hillary than the social media attention seekers suggests. Just look at the popular vote.
At Saturday's rally, I didn't hear too many people openly denigrating Bernie like you see from the EXTREME Hillary haters here who engage in nonstop viciousness about her. A couple people couldn't stand Bernie and were loud and vocal about the lack of vetting Bernie has gotten by with. Lots of conversations about how Hillary has stood up to the GOP for 25 years; whereas, Bernie is unproven. Lots of comments that he hasn't accomplished much over a long political career. Some of the younger people, the millennials, were saying that they haven't heard a politician yet who they agreed with every single point they made, but Hillary was the most comprehensively realistic candidate.
Thanks for your updates about New York. That New York Daily News interview of Bernie really opened eyes about his lack of preparedness, so I've been impressed with the level of sophistication coming from New York.
Also, hearing Bernie talk glowingly about New York after he left so young and never came back is a little odd. I'm sure native New Yorkers have taken note of that. I even heard him say he preferred the rural life, so he obviously wasn't happy in NY, which is not a good thing to share. Hillary loves New York!
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apcalc
(4,465 posts)Comments from you folks on the ground.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Good luck tomorrow!
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)but she ain't winning upstate. She does well with comfortable people who watch lots of TV news.
I have not seen one Hillary sign or bumpersticker in my county. I don't even know if there are bumperstickers for Hillary.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)NY has some of the lowest turnout in the country and NYC turnout is even lower than that of the State, 2014 NY had 29% turnout while in NY City it was just 20%. They had tons of Democrats in 2014 as well. They just did not show up. This is repeated in all of the last several cycles and it should be all any NY Democrat is talking about all year until they fix it.
I hope your turnout is up. 2014 NY had the lowest turnout of any Blue State, Indiana and Texas has lower turnout, that's it. Bottom three.
The Old Lie
(123 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:22 AM - Edit history (1)
Just not the way you want it.
Feel the BERN.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Tonedeaf much?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You putting money down on that?
The Old Lie
(123 posts)Done deal? I get the Bernie win, you get the Hillary win.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The Old Lie
(123 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Verification? Or is this a gentleman's bet?
The Old Lie
(123 posts)And yes, it'll be a gentleman's bet with verification after the results of the New York primary.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The numbers will not be in the single digits.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)turnout was about 20%, nearly 10% lower than the State overall which was as I said, very low. This low turnout and voter apathy has been a regular feature of the last few cycles in the Empire State. Oregon's 2014 turnout was double that of NY. Double.
Also I wonder how long it has been since you or the other City NYers have been to say, Sullivan County? I sure don't see it as suburban in Sullivan, it's Catskills, rural and about 70 people to the square mile.....
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Turnout will likely be 2,000,000 to 2,500,000 people.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)NY State and City have big election problems that are not candidate specific and are ongoing and worsening.....
http://www.gothamgazette.com/index.php/government/5432-forty-years-of-freefall-in-new-york-voter-turnout
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)they would disagree.
Ny has always been a mess. We need automatic voter registration.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)'Northern Tier PA' and they are the 'twin Tiers'. It's the country, it's beautiful and I have been schooled by Sullivan/Broome County mavens for years. A friend writes on a paper there. I agree it will be close in that region.
I don't expect landslide for either candidate, Hillary probably will win but not by the margins she's like. But either way if NY manages to have decent turnout then the NY Primary is a success no matter who wins it, if the turnout is low it's not, again no matter who wins. It pains me that NY votes in such low numbers. I love your State and have big, public relationship with NY, most people in the world think I am a NYer, from NY City. I have friends and family in every corner, I've spent much time and done much work in NY, from Buffalo to Battery Park.
And calling NY elections is impossible for me. Impossible. I know it better than any State other than CA and Oregon yet I can't even start to predict outcomes. I do better with places I barely know.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)From your lips to God's ears!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though obviously the City will be weaker for him compared to upstate.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)So I'm probably going with an outdated image of it in my head.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)It's really her home turf, after all, and more conservative, like most burbs (only moreso).
Bernie will do well in Columbia County upstate, which is very small. He has a lot of enthusiasm in the town of Hudson, which is the only town in the county. He should do well in most of the counties that went for Teachout, but that's not where the population is.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)A God, i tell you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they may put his face on their local currency (yes that is a thing)
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)This is a big one, for sure.
Marr
(20,317 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)Her dwindling numbers are reason to worry how well she may perform with the nomination.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)A rich town on the North Shore that should have been heavily for Clinton, but I found that it was about evenly split, maybe a slight edge for Clinton at best.
I expect her to win NY but I don't think she will get 60%.