Game Changer

[angrychair]

As far as I am concerned.

Clinton stated that a 12 year old child wanted to get raped.

There is no amount of excuses for anyone, criminal defense lawyer or not, doing what she did.

Clinton's own words:
“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” Clinton, then named Hillary D. Rodham, wrote in the affidavit (my input: remember, a 12-year old child). “I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”

That is who you want to vote for???
I will leave you with the description of the attack she choose to defend in this manner.
What happened to that little girl:
"In her interview with The Daily Beast, she recounted the details of her attack in 1975 at age 12 and the consequences it had for both her childhood and adult life. A virgin before the assault, she spent five days afterwards in a coma, months recovering from the beating that accompanied the rape, and over 10 years in therapy. The doctors told her she would probably never be able to have children."

[FreakinDJ]

1. In a Comma

And Clinton attacked her

[COLGATE4]

12. Thank God she wasn't in a semicolon. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

14. .

[Cali_Democrat]

27. Jury Results for a ROFL smiley

I never knew a ROFL smiley could trigger an alert, but apparently it is possible!


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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1767469

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

These two are getting their yucks over a story about a 12 year old being in a coma after being raped. Rude and over the top.

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[Bobbie Jo]

34. Wow

Thank you, CD and jury.

Dear alerter: If you only knew what I have done for a living for the last 28 years, you would understand just how ridiculous this assertion really is.

i hesitate to post a facepalm smile for obvious reasons.

Thanks again.

[Betty Karlson]

16. I think you mean "in a coma"

and we all agree that attacking a 12 year old in a coma after she has been sexually abused is pretty disgusting, even for someone like Saint Hillary of Walmart, blessed lay of inevitability, and the affluent fruit of her labor.

[COLGATE4]

2. Hillary did what was expected of her by the justice system

when she was handed an on;igatory, court-appointed case to defend. We have an adversarial justice system where a defendant is entitled to receive a competent, vigorous defense. That's exactly what Hillary did. Your personal feelings about her conduct are not really relevant.

[angrychair]

6. Good call

Justifying Clinton saying a 12-year wanted to be raped and beaten is a good call.

Not sure what kind of lawyers you know but there are legitimate ways to give a person a good defense without saying it was a child's fault she was raped and beaten.

[COLGATE4]

11. I know lots and lots of lawyers, since I've been

in practice for over 25 years now. You are purposely distorting what the article reports. I'd love to hear your professional advice on how to give a person a 'good defense' without exploring all the possibilities that may have had bearing on the case. I'll be waiting...

[beedle]

7. Which is fine

just when asked about it your should be saying something like you just stated, not bragging how you knew he was guilty, blamed the victim and then gleefully laugh about it.

[karynnj]

13. It bothers ne that she opted to take this case as a favor

To people wanting the man's lawyer to be a woman. This was not an assigned case that she as a young lawyer was randomly assigned.

I get that everyone is entitled to a lawyer, but I am disheartened that she was willing to be part of what seems to have been a charade of justice. No one at any age "ASKS" for what this child got.

[COLGATE4]

18. There was no 'charade of justice' here. Unlike TV shows, criminal cases

are rarely neat, clean or particularly satisfying. While you say that you 'get that everyone is entitled to a lawyer' the implied subtext of what you're saying is "I get that everyone is entitled to a lawyer but, in this case, not a very good one'. There was no 'charade' of justice here. The guy was forced to plead guilty and went to jail. Most of the time that's about as good as it gets.

[DebDoo]

20. But she took this case as a favor. Because they wanted a woman. She said so herself

[COLGATE4]

35. So? Doesn't make it any less of a court-assigned case

where Hillary got paid not much of anything for the time she spent on it. I doubt if she even got reimbursed for any of the experts she consulted. There's no incentive for taking a court-assigned Defendant except that you're required by law to do it. You waste your time, your money, your emotions and, eventually (here years later) people criticize you for having done it.

[DebDoo]

22. She said in the interview posted below that she took the case as a favor.

[COLGATE4]

33. Yes. As I already said, she took the case because it was an assigned case AND

the Prosecutor asked her to take it as a favor because the Defendant asked for a female attorney. That doesn't change the fact that it was a court-assigned case.

[Avalux]

24. So what? Hillary said it regardless.

If she's willing to say something so horrible because it was expected as an attorney, then what did she say to Wall Street?

This is precisely why we'll never see her transcripts. Hillary will do and say anything, she has no moral compass.

[COLGATE4]

32. I get a huge chuckle out of people who have no idea what

they're talking about dragging out their own, individual and particular 'moral' compass to judge others. Hope it makes you feel good. To a whole lot of us, we're just not interested.

[Avalux]

36. Yes I know...I know, I'm stupid and judgemental according to you.

Let's just say Hillary does not conduct herself in a way that makes me want to vote for her. Just the opposite.

[COLGATE4]

42. Fine. That's entirely your prerogative. But don't try and morally

browbeat others into accepting your very personal (and very wrong) point of view.

[Avalux]

45. So my point of view is wrong? How judgemental of you. n/t

[COLGATE4]

47. No different than what you're pushing.

[ThePhilosopher04]

38. Maybe so from a technical standpoint but disgusting nonetheless. She had a choice and chose

trash the victim. Nothing she can do or say can change that.

[COLGATE4]

39. She did not 'trash' the victim. She pointed out facts to the court

which had an influence on how the rape victim's testimony would be viewed, What you insinuate is her "choice' would have been a conflct with her professional obligation to her client. Remember, she didn't represent the victim - she represented the accused. And, in our system, the accused has the right to vigorous, competent representation. No less.

[ThePhilosopher04]

40. She trashed her. Spin it however you want.

[COLGATE4]

43. Spoken like a person who has absolutely no idea

whatsoever as to how the legal system in our country works. "Philosopher" indeed.

[ThePhilosopher04]

44. I have a very good idea. It is what it is.

[COLGATE4]

48. Now there's an answer full of meaning and

incisive thought and tight reasoning,

[ThePhilosopher04]

49. Exactly.

[Bonobo]

3. She laughed about it and bragged about pleading him down to 2 months jail despite knowing he did it.

Fine, well done as a lawyer.

But when recounting it, WHY DID YOU LAUGH? WHY DID YOU SHOW ZERO FEELINGS?

[reddread]

4. sociopath

[Bonobo]

8. Could YOU recount that story without a sense of guilt or without showing signs of feeling troubled?

I sure as hell could not.

[reddread]

9. the Hillarity of a 12 year old being raped?

Hard to imagine

[Skwmom]

5. That should go over well with women voters (and fathers with daughters).

[ChisolmTrailDem]

10. All you need to know about Clinton here --->

vimeo.com/163178551

[Seeinghope]

19. This need to be it's own thread!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

21. It is, and it's trying to die. I will be kicking it all day. See it here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1765675

[DebDoo]

15. What happened to that little girl: "In her interview with The Daily Beast, she recount

Because there is NO reason to justify or explain this away I know the only alternative response is to bury the horrific details I will repost them here


What happened to that little girl:
"In her interview with The Daily Beast, she recounted the details of her attack in 1975 at age 12 and the consequences it had for both her childhood and adult life. A virgin before the assault, she spent five days afterwards in a coma, months recovering from the beating that accompanied the rape, and over 10 years in therapy. The doctors told her she would probably never be able to have children."

[DefenseLawyer]

17. There goes my nonexistent career in politics.

I'm a Sanders supporter and a Sanders donor. I can give you a thousand reasons why I don't support Hillary Clinton. This isn't one of them.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

23. You don't have to give a thousand reasons, just post this video:

vimeo.com/163178551

[democrattotheend]

30. Same here

As an attorney, I recognize that she was doing her job, and that it is important for criminal defense lawyers to mount a vigorous defense of their clients, even if that means taking unpopular positions.

[PCPrincess]

25. Okay, I'll Do It

First: I am Bernie Or Bust, one-hundred percent. Because I'd like to think that most readers here are intelligent, thoughtful, logical people, I'm not going to even waste my time stating that rape is horrific. That is a given.

Although I am now a computer scientist (programmer), my first passion was criminal law and I wanted nothing more than to work as a paralegal for a public defender's office. I believe firmly that ALL human beings deserve their day in court. I would need to add that the defendant in the above post was also entitled to his. He is also a human being.

Since none of us are privy to the facts of the case and to the people involved, we must allow that Hillary, at that time, was doing her job. Trust me, I'm NO fan of hers and will not vote for her, but, I think we all need to keep ourselves, at all times, above the fray, and insist on honesty, ethics, and fairness, in all matters.

[angrychair]

28. Sorry

I don't have a problem with the "everyone deserves their day in court and a strong defense" but nothing will make me believe that that defense should include saying a 12 year old child deserves to be raped and beaten because she had fantasies of older men.
That is "blame the victim " rape culture bullshit and is never ok.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

26. so who will receive your vote if Clinton wins the nomination?

Trump? At least, many Sanders fans are rejecting this Opening Post for the right reasons. Trump=Hitler; is it code?

[Prism]

29. If I have to read about Bernie's "rape fantasies" a billion times, this is fair game

And the thing is, I get that she was doing her job as a lawyer. Sometimes it's unsavory, and you have to give 100% for your client. Understood.

It's her reaction in the aftermath. She laughs and brags about getting the physical evidence thrown out.

You don't laugh and brag about getting a rapist off. You just sigh and go, "Well, that was my job. It sucked, but there it is."

She's weirdly heartless.

[BreakfastClub]

31. GAME CHANGER! Bernie said women fantasize about being raped. I can't vote for that! nt

[Prism]

37. Oh, Jesus

I'd say you should read his article and compare it to feminist literature at the time, but that would require reading, and I'm against imposing torture.

[Lizzie Poppet]

46. Some do.

You're basing your choice on objection to a truthful statement.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Was she the defense lawyer?

Because if she was, well that was her job