About all this talk of HRC being like Nixon; a Neocon; or moderate Republican.

[Buzz Clik]

The Sanders crew find it necessary to paint Hillary Clinton as a right winger because so many of Sanders's views are so extremely left that anyone and everyone are to the right. I suppose this is an attempt to convince Democrats that Sanders is in the center of the Party's values, and Clinton has abandoned them.

How's that working out so far?

[bkkyosemite]

1. They called her a Neocon on Morning Joe this morning.

[Buzz Clik]

4. We'll consider the source...

[Baobab]

47. Hillary's been a backer of economic integration for her whole life

That's basically redistributing wealth from "overpaid" workers in the US and EU to workers in less developed countries by making them compete for the same jobs by means of privatization of the public sector followed by e-tendering in government procurement implemented via massive trade deals.

It has the potential to be the largest redistribution of wealth in human history.

This is not disputable, its fact, a matter of record.

[mcar]

39. It's hysterical how DU loves Joe now

I remember when he was called " morning scum." Oh wait, that was just a few weeks ago.

The Daily Caller doesn't like Hillary either.

[EndElectoral]

2. When you've endorsements from Kissinger, Kagan and Cheney on foreign policy you're a neocon.

[Buzz Clik]

3. More bullshit about non-existent endorsements.

This is what the OP is about -- creating a narrative to convince the gullible. I bailed early on Sanders. Not looking back.

[EndElectoral]

7. suggest you look at this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511757202

[Buzz Clik]

8. If you believe that any of those three comments amount to an endorsement for President, ...

... then you have no idea what "endorsement" means.

[EndElectoral]

12. when those three comment favorably like that about her foreign policy, it is an endorsement

They'll never say I endorse HRC for President because right wing Repubs can never do that, BUT when their comments suggest they agree with her foreign policy decisions they are in essence endorsing her whether you like it or not.

[Buzz Clik]

14. Ok, please provide a direct quote from both Cheney and Kagan where they talked favorably...

... about her foreign policy and, in the same context, said they would vote for her.

Take all the time you need.

[Fawke Em]

49. Ask and ye shall receive...

Neoconservative historian Robert Kagan — one of the prime intellectual backers of the Iraq War and an advocate for Syrian intervention — announced in the Washington Post last week that if Trump secures the nomination, “the only choice will be to vote for Hillary Clinton.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/29/neoconservatives-declare-war-on-donald-trump/

[Buzz Clik]

53. Wrong. In Kagan's full quote, he is talking only...

...of all the GOP candidates and makes no mention of HRC at all until his very sentence, the one you quoted.

[Fawke Em]

46. Kagan did endorse her.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/25/neocon-kagan-endorses-hillary-clinton/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-the-gops-frankenstein-monster-now-hes-strong-enough-to-destroy-the-party/2016/02/25/3e443f28-dbc1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

And we know she and Kissinger are good friends.

Really? The things Hillary Ostriches don't know.

[bigtree]

9. Sanders has the right wing spending millions of dollars alongside his campaign

...in every state's primary against his Democratic rival, often using identical appeals.

Most of the money Hillary has raised will be used in the general election, but Sanders' money is being spent against the Democrat in this race almost as fast as he can raise it. He's hanging on to a 75k lawsuit he's filed against the Democratic party and he can't seem to lift a finger to support other Democrats.

One of the most telling endorsements comes from all but three members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus he founded in the House who are supporting Hillary for president. That has to bern.

[Buzz Clik]

15. +1!

[NCTraveler]

18. Can you link to their endorsements.

To be up front I believe you are knowingly promoting a lie.

[Armstead]

5. This...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html

Before this, from 1932-1976, the Democratic Party as a whole was far more progressive. The issues and approaches advocated today by Bernie Sanders were considered mainstream Democratic ideas by Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, and even many moderate Republicans. It was common to support strict financial regulation, liberal immigration, social services for the poor, and progressive tax policies.

Hillary Clinton and the conservative wing of the Democratic Party have moved rightward into a corporate centrist (neoliberal) position. This position has a certain amount of flexibility on social issues but adheres strictly to unregulated capitalism and favors international trade deals that benefit large corporations rather than domestic jobs, the environment, or fair wage or labor standards.

This rightward drift has pushed the “center” to a spot between Hillary Clinton and John Kasich. This “center” is to the right of even Social Security, abortion rights, labor unions, and quality public high schools. With that “center,” Republicans who wish to be considered “strong conservatives” compete for ground far out to the right, where little civic sanity is left. With that “center,” true progressive issues are never even discussed.

The arrival of Bernie Sanders heralds a potential rebalancing of the spectrum:

[My Good Babushka]

6. There is a class war

I am glad to be extreme. There is no way to be "too extreme" about inequality and corruption.
Bill Clinton's comment about Bernie supporters wanting "to line up and shoot Wall Street bankers" was a very revealing hyperbole, intended to reinforce the belief that doing anything about bank fraud and abuse would be ludicrous. It shouldn't even be considered. Clinton has no plans to reform the banking system or address inequality. There is a class war and I don't know how Hillary will convince anyone she is on the side of working people. This election isn't about incremental changes that might be possible if you just wait a while, it's about changing the whole meaning of what is politically possible. This is about redressing great crimes and inequalities.

[Buzz Clik]

10. I had a discussion on DU this weekend with one of your comrades. He suggested that $15/hr...

... is not a living wage and anyone making less than $30,000 per year (full time at $15/hr) had no economic future. Do you agree?

[My Good Babushka]

11. Is that a red-baiting slight?

I support the Fight for $15 as the very least, first step towards redressing the crimes against labor and human rights.

[Buzz Clik]

13. I asked a question. You're under no obligation to answer, but I was curious.

[The Old Lie]

16. Because it is true?

Take a look at some facts here... Here's the compass for 2016.



She is to the right of Nixon.

[Buzz Clik]

20. Excellent job of sourcing your material.

[mcar]

42. Link?

[baldguy]

56. Political Compass - the people that say Clinton is to the right of Hitler.

[NCTraveler]

17. It's what has to happen when their candidate is running on so little.

With so little to show for his career.

With so few ideas that fall within reality or are even completely thought out.

They have to make it one hundred percent about Clinton.

[Buzz Clik]

22. +1

[AgingAmerican]

28. Hillary is running on two decades old Sanders votes

And 'Yes We Can't!'

Pure projection.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Yer right. Nixon refused to use makeup in his debate.

[Buzz Clik]

23. Ok. A non sequitur can help spice things up.

[hobbit709]

21. Nixon was to the left of HRC on some issues.

The 1956 Republican Party platform was well to the left of her.

[Buzz Clik]

24. In 1956, the Democratic Party was socially conservative.

Let's try to update by a few decades.

[Kalidurga]

25. After Iraq and Libya are business opportunities I don't care where Hillary is on the scale

Left, Right, Center it really doesn't matter. That is the mind set of an arms dealer.

[Go Vols]

26. There's this

Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s.Hillary touts herself as Obama 3.0.

I voted against moderate R's,Raygun, in the '80s and still have no use for them.

[AgingAmerican]

27. It's called 'Third Way®'

[Buzz Clik]

31. It's called all kinds of stuff by berners. An endless list.

[AgingAmerican]

35. Its called 'Third Way' by Hillary and the third way

Her supporters call it, brace yourself, fresh thinking LOL

[ThePhilosopher04]

29. She is what she is. Her record is her record. She's a Neocon with old school Republican values.

[Buzz Clik]

32. She is what she is, for sure, but what you guys call her is waaaay off the mark.

[ThePhilosopher04]

37. I'm afraid not. Track record speaks for itself.

[ibegurpard]

30. Is the truth.

[Buzz Clik]

33. No.

[jack_krass]

34. "Sanders's views are so extremely left"

Wait, I thought the party line was that Sanders was a "right wing gun nut", and a tool of the NRA??? Come on team Hillary, make up your mind!

[ibegurpard]

36. They don't call them Camp Weathervane for nothing

[AgingAmerican]

38. His views are mainstream

And poll widely popular among all demographics.

[beedle]

45. The mainstream is too far left

for the Democrats. Smarten up you "mainstream".

This is what the Democrats have come to, You can be 'progressive' and belong to the Democratic party, but just as long as you keep your mouth shut and do as the conservative Repub... opps, I mean, Democrats tell you.

[AgingAmerican]

50. Which of his policies are "too far left"?

He is barely left of center.

[beedle]

51. I was agreeing with you actually

his views are essentially mainstream ... it's the Establishment Democratic party that is out of touch with the people.

[ScreamingMeemie]

41. Depends on the day.

[Aerows]

40. Oh my.

I hate putting people on ignore, but my list is populated with folks that cannot have a reasonable, cogent or civil discussion.

Congratulations, you have earned a place in it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

43. I removed them all for MIRT, and it is painful.

[Aerows]

48. Been there, done that

and I doubt I ever will again.

I don't cry easily. When you can be such an asshole in the MIRT forum, you have achieved a level of being a dick.

I hope it works out better for you than it did for me.

[Throd]

44. Definitely Nixonian.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

52. She's a centrist

campaigned for Nixon

[baldguy]

54. 2.3 million more Democrats have cast ballots for Clinton over Sanders.

So, not very well.

[Avalux]

55. Actions speak louder than words, my friend. There's a reason so many Democrats are saying it. n/t