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Related: About this forumHillary's Regime Change in Libya Has Strengthened Nigeria's Terrorists, Boko Haram
NY Times Top Story: Hillary Pushed Obama to Bomb Libya, Leaving It A Failed State & ISIS HavenThis is how Hillary pushed Obama---against his better inclination----to bomb Libya. Part of her neocon perspective, and no doubt influenced by Kissinger, her self-proclaimed role model.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Deadliest Terror in the World: The Wests Latest Gift to Africa
A UN report published in early 2012 warned that large quantities of weapons and ammunition from Libyan stockpiles were smuggled into the Sahel region, including rocket-propelled grenades, machine guns with anti-aircraft visors, automatic rifles, ammunition, grenades, explosives (Semtex), and light anti-aircraft artillery (light caliber bi-tubes) mounted on vehicles, and probably also more advanced weapons such as surface-to-air missiles and MANPADS (man-portable air-defence systems). NATO had effectively turned over the entire armory of an advanced industrial state to the regions most sectarian militias: groups such as the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and Boko Haram.
The earliest casualty of NATOs war outside Libya was Mali. Taureg fighters who had worked in Gaddafis security forces fled Libya soon after Gaddafis government was overthrown, and mounted an insurgency in Northern Mali. They in turn were overthrown, however, by Al Qaedas regional affiliates flush with Libyan weaponry who then turned Northern Mali into another base from which to train and launch attacks. Boko Haram was a key beneficiary.
As Brendan O Neill wrote in an excellent 2014 article worth quoting at length: Boko Haram benefited enormously from the vacuum created in once-peaceful northern Mali following the Wests ousting of Gaddafi. In two ways: first, it honed its guerrilla skills by fighting alongside more practiced Islamists in Mali, such as AQIM; and second, it accumulated some of the estimated 15,000 pieces of Libyan military hardware and weaponry that leaked across the countrys borders following the sweeping aside of Gaddafi. In April 2012, Agence France-Presse reported that dozens of Boko Haram fighters were assisting AQIM and others in northern Mali. This had a devastating knock-on effect in Nigeria. As the Washington Post reported in early 2013, The Islamist insurgency in northern Nigeria has entered a more violent phase as militants return to the fight with sophisticated weaponry and tactics learned on the battlefields of nearby Mali. A Nigerian analyst said Boko Harams level of audacity was high [in late 2012], immediately following the movement of some of its militants to the Mali region.
Colonel Gaddafi was a lynchpin of the informal Sahel security plan.
That NATOs Libya war would have such consequences was both thoroughly predictable, and widely predicted. As early as June 2011, African Union Chairman Jean Ping warned NATO that Africas concern is that weapons that are delivered to one side or another are already in the desert and will arm terrorists and fuel trafficking. And both Mali and Algeria strongly opposed NATOs destruction of Libya precisely because of the massive destabilization it would bring to the region. They argued, wrote ONeill, that such a violent upheaval in a region like north Africa could have potentially catastrophic consequences. The fallout from the bombing is a real source of concern, said the rulers of Mali in October 2011. In fact, as the BBC reported, they had been arguing since the start of the conflict in Libya that is, since the civil conflict between Benghazi-based militants and Gaddafi began that the fall of Gaddafi would have a destabilizing effect in the region.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/the_west_and_boko_haram
The earliest casualty of NATOs war outside Libya was Mali. Taureg fighters who had worked in Gaddafis security forces fled Libya soon after Gaddafis government was overthrown, and mounted an insurgency in Northern Mali. They in turn were overthrown, however, by Al Qaedas regional affiliates flush with Libyan weaponry who then turned Northern Mali into another base from which to train and launch attacks. Boko Haram was a key beneficiary.
As Brendan O Neill wrote in an excellent 2014 article worth quoting at length: Boko Haram benefited enormously from the vacuum created in once-peaceful northern Mali following the Wests ousting of Gaddafi. In two ways: first, it honed its guerrilla skills by fighting alongside more practiced Islamists in Mali, such as AQIM; and second, it accumulated some of the estimated 15,000 pieces of Libyan military hardware and weaponry that leaked across the countrys borders following the sweeping aside of Gaddafi. In April 2012, Agence France-Presse reported that dozens of Boko Haram fighters were assisting AQIM and others in northern Mali. This had a devastating knock-on effect in Nigeria. As the Washington Post reported in early 2013, The Islamist insurgency in northern Nigeria has entered a more violent phase as militants return to the fight with sophisticated weaponry and tactics learned on the battlefields of nearby Mali. A Nigerian analyst said Boko Harams level of audacity was high [in late 2012], immediately following the movement of some of its militants to the Mali region.
Colonel Gaddafi was a lynchpin of the informal Sahel security plan.
That NATOs Libya war would have such consequences was both thoroughly predictable, and widely predicted. As early as June 2011, African Union Chairman Jean Ping warned NATO that Africas concern is that weapons that are delivered to one side or another are already in the desert and will arm terrorists and fuel trafficking. And both Mali and Algeria strongly opposed NATOs destruction of Libya precisely because of the massive destabilization it would bring to the region. They argued, wrote ONeill, that such a violent upheaval in a region like north Africa could have potentially catastrophic consequences. The fallout from the bombing is a real source of concern, said the rulers of Mali in October 2011. In fact, as the BBC reported, they had been arguing since the start of the conflict in Libya that is, since the civil conflict between Benghazi-based militants and Gaddafi began that the fall of Gaddafi would have a destabilizing effect in the region.
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Hillary's Regime Change in Libya Has Strengthened Nigeria's Terrorists, Boko Haram (Original Post)
amborin
Apr 2016
OP
merrily
(45,251 posts)1. She knows how to gets things done! Just not in Congress.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)2. Libya's a business opportunity, don'tcha know.
merrily
(45,251 posts)3. Wasn't that Iraq and Libya was "We came; we saw; he died HA HA HA"?
Oh, hell, never mind: As long as it wasn't Israel, it doesn't matter which Middle Eastern nation got bombed.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)7. Basically. nt
think
(11,641 posts)4. From the UN via Reuters:
Arms from Libya could reach Boko Haram, al Qaeda: U.N
UNITED NATIONS | BY LOUIS CHARBONNEAU - World | Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:16pm EST
The Libyan civil war may have given militant groups in Africa's Sahel region like Boko Haram and al Qaeda access to large weapons caches, according to a U.N. report released on Thursday.
The report on the impact of the Libyan civil war on countries of the Sahel region that straddle the Sahara - including Nigeria, Niger and Chad - also says some national authorities believe the Islamist sect Boko Haram has increasing links to al Qaeda's North African wing. Boko Haram killed more than 500 people last year and more than 250 this year in Nigeria.
The U.N. Security Council met to discuss the report, which was prepared by a U.N. assessment team that met with officials from countries in the region. The discussion highlighted the deep divisions between Western powers and Russia over NATO's intervention in the North African oil-producing state.
"The governments of the countries visited indicated that, in spite of efforts to control their borders, large quantities of weapons and ammunition from Libyan stockpiles were smuggled into the Sahel region," the report said...
Read more:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-un-arms-idUSTRE80P1QS20120126
UNITED NATIONS | BY LOUIS CHARBONNEAU - World | Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:16pm EST
The Libyan civil war may have given militant groups in Africa's Sahel region like Boko Haram and al Qaeda access to large weapons caches, according to a U.N. report released on Thursday.
The report on the impact of the Libyan civil war on countries of the Sahel region that straddle the Sahara - including Nigeria, Niger and Chad - also says some national authorities believe the Islamist sect Boko Haram has increasing links to al Qaeda's North African wing. Boko Haram killed more than 500 people last year and more than 250 this year in Nigeria.
The U.N. Security Council met to discuss the report, which was prepared by a U.N. assessment team that met with officials from countries in the region. The discussion highlighted the deep divisions between Western powers and Russia over NATO's intervention in the North African oil-producing state.
"The governments of the countries visited indicated that, in spite of efforts to control their borders, large quantities of weapons and ammunition from Libyan stockpiles were smuggled into the Sahel region," the report said...
Read more:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-un-arms-idUSTRE80P1QS20120126
polly7
(20,582 posts)5. +1000. The horror resulting from that atrocity would have been known
to anyone with functioning grey matter ... especially after the experiences of Iraq and its people.
Those who pushed for it just DID NOT, and DO NOT CARE She learned well. Business opportunities. Using the worst of the worst radicals to 'protest' gov'ts who so far had kept their extremism and barbarism at bay, to destroy whole nations - it doesn't get any more evil than that, imo.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)6. The Libya aftermath was Obama's biggest mistake, according to Obama
Shouldn't Hillary share some blame?
The bottom line, which will be ignored by Hillary supporters, is Hillary is a warhawk and promotes American disaster capitalism.
amborin
(16,631 posts)8. kicking