2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI was in a dress shop yesterday and the sales lady (no one else in the store) said about these
elections, starting a conversation with me. I said yes? That got my attention. She said I'm 63. I said well I'll be 70 the end of this month. She said you know we both know the truth about Hillary Clinton (hadn't said anything about politics at this point and this is a red county). I thought oh oh she is a Republican and now I'm gonna hear it.
She then said that she is dishonest and her history is all there. She said the younger people just don't know what she is really like or her background, she's dishonest, and you know (she says) and all those dealings with her and her husband. Her character is the issue for me. At this point I'm thinking she's voting for Trump.
I said can I ask who you will vote for. She said...Bernie Sanders. He tells the truth and has not swayed in all these years from his beliefs. That's integrity which is not what Clinton has. (above paraphrased). I was surprised that she would be so bold in a red county to just spit that out. But she did.
She was telling me specifics about Hillary's past that I know but did not think the average person knew. She is that person out there who is really paying attention and has been for years. She is a Democrat. Her final comment was..."the older you are the more you remember about the Clinton's".
I said nice talking to you and left the store. As I walked out I thought how many more of us oldies feel that way because older people (seniors) are said to support HRC. Interesting day shopping for sales.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)a sexist, RW-meme loving, Millennial, Bernie-Bro.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)I re read it and I think I knee jerked my response... apologies.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Ladies in clothing stores just talk, it takes a mail-in ballot to vote!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)vimeo.com/163178551
And an early happy birthday to you, bkkyosemite!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Goldwater got beat was because of his hawkish stance and the apple (Hillary) doesn't fall far from the tree. The country was afraid that Goldwater would keep us at war forever.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)It took a few years, but once I was living on my own, I was able to make up my own mind.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)where they arranged an attack on Sanders for supposedly not doing what he was actually doing at the time. So if the 1960s are fair game to lie about Sanders, who opened up the can of worms?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Makes me wonder if we might look forward to her next foundation with Henry Kissinger.... WarCriminalsRuS!
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)My memories of the Clinton's are very much intact.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... cause their either republican or the "republican" mindset.
I think the sales lady confiirms such
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)in the 90s. I was proud Hillary was chosen to be Secretary of State.
Now her constant lies, position changes on key issues that I care deeply about and what appears to be horribly careless and/or possible criminal behavior (emails/waiting on FBI) with the appearance of impropriety and corruption relating to her personal financial situation has me positively loathing her.
Still not a Republican. Still adore President Obama. Still neither male nor millennial.
My reality does not match with your opinion.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)that the proudest day of my life was when I caucused for her here in CO. Proudly voted for Obama twice, the second time even though I was disappointed in some of his actions. You have no clue
jwirr
(39,215 posts)are voting for Hillary. For years we have watched what they did. But one thing I think is that they do not understand what the results of what the Clintons did for future generations. How many older people understand that so many black people and families have been destroyed by the tough on crime laws and the so called welfare reform? How many even know what the Glass-Steagall bill was all about?
I knew about the first two because I was personally involved. But I did not know about Glass-Steagall at the time.
Only now when we are hearing about this from the internet and Bernie are we getting educated enough to think about it. Once the DLC/Third Way got control of the WH/Congress nothing was said about any of it.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)At the time it looked like prosperity. It turned out to be a financial market bubble and the early stages of a housing bubble. It took some years to see the long term impact of NAFTA, Glass-Steagall, deregulation of derivatives, the Crime Bill, Welfare Reform, the Telecommunications Act and other policies from the Clinton years.
Thomas Frank, from his book "Listen, Liberal:"
<Only a Democrat was capable of getting bank deregulation passed; only a Democrat could have rammed NAFTA through Congress; and only a Democrat would be capable of privatizing Social Security, as George W. Bush found out in 2005. "It's kind of the Nixon-goes-to-China theory," the conservative Democrat Charles Stenholm told the historian Steven Gillion on this last subject. "It takes a Democrat to do some of the hard choices in social programs."
To judge by what he actually accomplished, Bill Clinton was not the lesser of two evils, as people on the left always say about Democrats at election time; he was the greater of the two. What he did as President was beyond the reach of even the most diabolical Republicans. Only smiling Bill Clinton, well-known friend of working families, could commit such betrayals.>
jwirr
(39,215 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)that I'm voting blue no matter who.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)...in every wonderful way imaginable!
oasis
(49,389 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)You know how Jews are not going to vote for Bernie? My friend M...., a college English professor on Long Island, and Jewish, is proudly and enthusiastically voting for Bernie today and so are many of his Jewish neighbors.