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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:15 PM Apr 2016

Was this sexist?

FIFA boss, during a corruption protest, is showered with money.



Was it sexist to protest Monsanto in the Senate building?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1481916.1381431252!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/protest11n-1-web.jpg

I have been an ACTIVE feminist since I was 14 years old. I find it insulting to me, as a woman and a feminist, that a peaceful and meaningful manner of protest is now labeled sexist merely because of the fact that Hillary is a woman.

The criticism is demeaning and infantilizing.

Feminism demands equality. It does not demand treating women like children... too gentle to take the heat.

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Was this sexist? (Original Post) Luminous Animal Apr 2016 OP
They would have nothing without the gender card to play. ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #1
Yes to your post All in it together Apr 2016 #2
I agree. MuseRider Apr 2016 #3
I must have all the Hillary supporters in this thread on ignore. I can't see their responses. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #4
Nah, there's only six replies. What you're seeing is crickets. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #6
K&R Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #5
Thank you for this. vintx Apr 2016 #7
Anything but Hillary running unopposed is sexist nt BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #8
Active feminist, and can't see how dollar bills thrown at a woman is sexist? ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #9
Feminist from childhood here...and it's obviously not sexist. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #10
That's all I ask ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #11
No rationally denying that. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #12
There was no gender in this action until Hillary supporters invoked it on the backs of OTHER WOMEN. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #14
I think coming after the "whore" comment ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #16
Yup, and I doubt that calling Jane Sanders a whore and then throwing dollar bills R B Garr Apr 2016 #17
Exactly ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #19
The phrase "corporate whore" is not sexist. delrem Apr 2016 #21
I can't see how dollar bills made it very far, was their a tail wind or something? snooper2 Apr 2016 #18
Yes. Nothing but pictures of WHITE MEN on those bills so it was sexist AND a symbol of privilege.nt cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #13
It was stupid to throw money at Hillary. She was raising money for democrats BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #15
Hillary and her supporters desperately want this election to be about gender. Unfortunately ... Scuba Apr 2016 #20
It's clearly sexist against gigolos jfern Apr 2016 #22

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
3. I agree.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

There is and has been sexism, not from Sanders that I have seen, but this is nothing more than a protest. They would do the same if it was a man involved.

***sexism is my auto correct not allowing the word sexism without me going through giant hoops to make certain it does not become "seismic". Joking of course but damn! Other words are remembered but sexism never is. I just had to go change every one of them back again. WTF? It remembers WTF?

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
7. Thank you for this.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

They've been part of the last straw for feminism for me. All this idiotic clowning helped drive the last nail into that coffin.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
9. Active feminist, and can't see how dollar bills thrown at a woman is sexist?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

Now the intent, might not have been sexist, but intentions rarely take into account cultural conditioning in a patriarchy. What, we need to "lighten up" some? Get tough? Own words? Root out institional and cultural sexism by ignoring it?

Feminists who deny Hillary is a frequent victim of sexism are baffling to me. Fortunately, there are not that many.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
10. Feminist from childhood here...and it's obviously not sexist.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

Hilary certainly has been the victim of sexism...but this isn't an example. It's a well-known (and non-gender-specific) form of protest against oligarchs and their corrupt, venal puppets.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
11. That's all I ask
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not going to argue the relative symbolic sexism of dollar bills here. I'm not even going to argue that for feminists, there is very little symbolism doesn't contain embedded sexism--the only thing to be decided is the degree.

In fact, as usual, I already regret my foray here.


I just want a reasonable acknowledgment that Hillary does experience sexism. One doesn't have to approve of her as a candidate for POTUS to simply do that.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. No rationally denying that.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

And no, I most certainly don't approve of her as a potential president...but that's a separate issue.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
14. There was no gender in this action until Hillary supporters invoked it on the backs of OTHER WOMEN.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

"HOW DARE THEY TREAT HILLARY LIKE A LOWLY STRIPPER."

As a feminist, people who equate the action with "throwing money at a stripper", are revealing extreme sexist stereotypes that they themselves hold. It insinuates that strippers, mostly women and many who are feminists, are not as special as Hillary Clinton. It also implies that Hillary, an extremely powerful woman should be sheltered from precisely the same kind of criticism that would be levied against a man in her position.

I will protest a woman in the same manner I would protest a man. I absolutely DO NOT deny that Hillary has had sexist attacks levied against her. But this is not one of those times.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
16. I think coming after the "whore" comment
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

The two episodes converged in people's minds. This is not a forum to discuss feminism, but I would have a hard time believing that none of those dollars thrown had a deliberate sexist intent. And, yes precisely because she is a woman.

Now the overall intent, as I said earlier, may have been something entirely different. Intentions aren't necessarily what supports a sexist narrative, that's cultural.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
17. Yup, and I doubt that calling Jane Sanders a whore and then throwing dollar bills
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

at her with the intent to humiliate her would go unnoticed. Look at how the mere comments about Jane are policed here. I can only imagine if real-life people went and attacked Jane with vulgar language and hostile attacks meant to demean how these boards would look.

Jury: This post is in response to a thread about sexists attacks, and I'm just juxtaposing (substituting) Jane Sanders in place of Hillary as my example. Please note that I am not calling Jane Sanders those names myself. Thank you.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
21. The phrase "corporate whore" is not sexist.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:13 AM
Apr 2016

A politician with nothing else to sell except political influence, who rakes in $200million for speaking fees, the astronomical takes increasing as her prospective term in office as POTUS nears, could be called a "corporate whore" whatever political party they belong to, whatever sex or sexual orientation, or race they might accidentally be.
It is not a sexist term.
Nor is the action of throwing money, in derision, at a politician who is obviously bought, a sexist act.

This is just plainspoken language.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
18. I can't see how dollar bills made it very far, was their a tail wind or something?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:06 PM
Apr 2016

I mean take a single dollar bill, and THROW! that motherfucker as hard as you can!


If you are lucky it may make it 2-3' away LOL- May just turn and land on your nose

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
15. It was stupid to throw money at Hillary. She was raising money for democrats
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

on the ballot in November. I guess Bernie is going to try to keep dems in power by railing against the system and declaring Wall Street evil. It ain't gonna work. Bernie took money when he needed it to win, from the NRA. He's not Snow White.

By the way, doing something to a white male isn't the same as doing it to a woman. What is seen as merely insulting can quickly become sexist or racist depending on the person being targeted. This is just common sense.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
20. Hillary and her supporters desperately want this election to be about gender. Unfortunately ...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:58 AM
Apr 2016

... it's about income inequality and corruption, neither of which is Hillary's strong suit.

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