2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWas this sexist?
FIFA boss, during a corruption protest, is showered with money.
Was it sexist to protest Monsanto in the Senate building?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1481916.1381431252!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/protest11n-1-web.jpg
I have been an ACTIVE feminist since I was 14 years old. I find it insulting to me, as a woman and a feminist, that a peaceful and meaningful manner of protest is now labeled sexist merely because of the fact that Hillary is a woman.
The criticism is demeaning and infantilizing.
Feminism demands equality. It does not demand treating women like children... too gentle to take the heat.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)vimeo.com/163178551
All in it together
(275 posts)LABELING this as sexist is insulting.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)There is and has been sexism, not from Sanders that I have seen, but this is nothing more than a protest. They would do the same if it was a man involved.
***sexism is my auto correct not allowing the word sexism without me going through giant hoops to make certain it does not become "seismic". Joking of course but damn! Other words are remembered but sexism never is. I just had to go change every one of them back again. WTF? It remembers WTF?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)They've been part of the last straw for feminism for me. All this idiotic clowning helped drive the last nail into that coffin.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Now the intent, might not have been sexist, but intentions rarely take into account cultural conditioning in a patriarchy. What, we need to "lighten up" some? Get tough? Own words? Root out institional and cultural sexism by ignoring it?
Feminists who deny Hillary is a frequent victim of sexism are baffling to me. Fortunately, there are not that many.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Hilary certainly has been the victim of sexism...but this isn't an example. It's a well-known (and non-gender-specific) form of protest against oligarchs and their corrupt, venal puppets.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)I'm not going to argue the relative symbolic sexism of dollar bills here. I'm not even going to argue that for feminists, there is very little symbolism doesn't contain embedded sexism--the only thing to be decided is the degree.
In fact, as usual, I already regret my foray here.
I just want a reasonable acknowledgment that Hillary does experience sexism. One doesn't have to approve of her as a candidate for POTUS to simply do that.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)And no, I most certainly don't approve of her as a potential president...but that's a separate issue.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)"HOW DARE THEY TREAT HILLARY LIKE A LOWLY STRIPPER."
As a feminist, people who equate the action with "throwing money at a stripper", are revealing extreme sexist stereotypes that they themselves hold. It insinuates that strippers, mostly women and many who are feminists, are not as special as Hillary Clinton. It also implies that Hillary, an extremely powerful woman should be sheltered from precisely the same kind of criticism that would be levied against a man in her position.
I will protest a woman in the same manner I would protest a man. I absolutely DO NOT deny that Hillary has had sexist attacks levied against her. But this is not one of those times.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)The two episodes converged in people's minds. This is not a forum to discuss feminism, but I would have a hard time believing that none of those dollars thrown had a deliberate sexist intent. And, yes precisely because she is a woman.
Now the overall intent, as I said earlier, may have been something entirely different. Intentions aren't necessarily what supports a sexist narrative, that's cultural.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)at her with the intent to humiliate her would go unnoticed. Look at how the mere comments about Jane are policed here. I can only imagine if real-life people went and attacked Jane with vulgar language and hostile attacks meant to demean how these boards would look.
Jury: This post is in response to a thread about sexists attacks, and I'm just juxtaposing (substituting) Jane Sanders in place of Hillary as my example. Please note that I am not calling Jane Sanders those names myself. Thank you.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Reframed and clarified.
delrem
(9,688 posts)A politician with nothing else to sell except political influence, who rakes in $200million for speaking fees, the astronomical takes increasing as her prospective term in office as POTUS nears, could be called a "corporate whore" whatever political party they belong to, whatever sex or sexual orientation, or race they might accidentally be.
It is not a sexist term.
Nor is the action of throwing money, in derision, at a politician who is obviously bought, a sexist act.
This is just plainspoken language.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I mean take a single dollar bill, and THROW! that motherfucker as hard as you can!
If you are lucky it may make it 2-3' away LOL- May just turn and land on your nose
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)on the ballot in November. I guess Bernie is going to try to keep dems in power by railing against the system and declaring Wall Street evil. It ain't gonna work. Bernie took money when he needed it to win, from the NRA. He's not Snow White.
By the way, doing something to a white male isn't the same as doing it to a woman. What is seen as merely insulting can quickly become sexist or racist depending on the person being targeted. This is just common sense.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... it's about income inequality and corruption, neither of which is Hillary's strong suit.