There's Something Rotten in the State of New York

[TalkingDog]

I was having this exact discussion with the spouse last week. Numbers don't just get stuck and stay there. They fluctuate.

Shenanigans.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/16/1516313/-There-s-Something-Rotten-in-the-State-of-New-York

It started out as curiosity... about two and a half weeks ago I, and many others, marveled at how Bernie Sanders had been able to whittle Hillary's lead in New York from a 43 point lead down to 7 and a half points. I was following the polling to see how much further he could whittle it down and looked forward to seeing Bernie pull ahead. But then something....odd.... happened. I went a week with no new polling data coming out, which, given the importance of the New York primary, I thought, well, ODD.

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After just a couple hours of research and going over polling procedures I started to become troubled. It appeared some of the polling in the last week or so taken in New York was done so in order to give a false appearance of majority support for Hillary Clinton. CNN as well as an NBC affiliate, the Wall Street Journal, and Marist all apparently targeted area's in New York which heavily favored Sec. Clinton in previous races including her Senate runs and the 2008 primary. Instead of having a broad base to poll, these organizations had apparently, and purposely, only polled in counties and demographic populations they knew had favored Clinton in the past.... I realized that if this turned out to be true, it would prove blatant manipulation of the process and polling data in order to misinform and suppress turnout for Bernie Sanders.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Cheaters!

... so it begins..

[Cheese Sandwich]

24. Looks like someone got inspired by your signature line image!

Your sig line :


and this

[ChisolmTrailDem]

2. Perhaps this will shed a little light on how it works...

vimeo.com/163178551

[CrowCityDem]

3. "Areas favoring Clinton" - that would be all of them!

[pressbox69]

5. Yes

just about all.

[DeadLetterOffice]

33. You haven't been upstate lately, have you? n/t

[CrowCityDem]

38. I live upstate.

[DeadLetterOffice]

55. May I ask where?

Because what I see is Bernie doing very, very well in the Capital District, Mid & Upper Hudson Valley, Adirondacks, North Country -- basically all the places that went for Teachout over Cuomo last gubernatorial primary.

[CrowCityDem]

56. The name is a clue.

The Syracuse area, and everything West, don't have the anti-Albany, anti-NYC tilt that the regions you mentioned do. Bernie will at best run even up here, which isn't good enough.

[DeadLetterOffice]

58. Today is gonna be an interesting day.

One way or another.

[brooklynite]

60. Teachout lost 2-1

[DeadLetterOffice]

64. Statewide, yes. Upstate, not hardly.

[antigop]

4. Hillary's Campaign Manager: "“A lot of the public polling is not very reliable"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251415834

[hack89]

6. Lets unskew those polls! It certainly worked for Romney, why not for Bernie? nt

[blm]

7. I see this as helpful for Sanders. HRC voters won't be motivated by urgency

and will assume she has it in the bag and many of those might just skip the vote altogether, while Sanders voters are beating the bush for every vote.

[CoffeeCat]

9. Polls are chronically used to make people give up

Have you noticed how polls are used on DU? They're a brazen attempt at demoralizing Sanders supporters.

I paid very close attention in Iowa, because I knew that most of the polls posted on DU were laughable, utter bullshit.

There were many polls that were so rigged to favor Clinton and their methodology was laughable. It was as if the poll was conducted to get a skewed, pro-Hillary result. No question.

Someone posted a Monmouth Poll that had Hillary winning Iowa by 20 points. 70 percent of those polled were over the age of 60!
60 percent were female.

Many, many polls that favor Clinton have been like this.

And the biggest problem? These inaccurate polls are rolled into the RCP average--further skewing more results.

Crazy.

[blm]

12. "Giving up" works both ways. See Mario Cuomo, Ann Richards c1994.

People assumed by the polls showing wins that some stayed home.

I live in a state that turned GOP because Dems didn't come out as usual and assumed polls were accurate.

[CoffeeCat]

21. Yes, polls can be used to achieve different results when it comes to voter behavior

And people can get lazy if their candidate is far ahead.

However, cooked polls are another thing. Cooked polls showing false numbers--in which one candidate is beating another by 20+ points are often used as weapons.

I think this tactic has been neutered throughout the duration of the primary though. So many inaccurate polls that people no longer see them as reliable--and they vote or don't vote--irrespective of what these polls say.

[litlbilly]

19. kinda like this one. Bernie is gonna pull out NY, no Bernie supporters will stay home.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107105898

[CoffeeCat]

28. Intentional voter suppression

With a healthy dose of sorority-girl mocking.

I picture these types at their keyboards, chewing and loudly smacking a giant wad of Bubble Yum as they type.

I can't say that someone like this has affected my voting choices!

[litlbilly]

29. Not mine thats for sure:)

[mhatrw]

49. I'd say 50% of the Clinton OPs that make the greatest page are bullshit polls.

Hmmmmm. Why are they constantly promoting bullshit polls showing Clinton far in the lead?

Could it be that all of these rigged polls discourage Sanders supporters from volunteering and voting as well as provide cover for all of the other Democratic party machine's vote suppression dirty tricks?

[Betty Karlson]

61. Thanks for that clear voice of reason.

[CoffeeCat]

8. We've witnessed countless examples of

shenanigans, suppression, rigging, anomalies and all kinds of weird happenings in our Democratic primary.

What bothers me is that it appears that the polling is rigged. As this article indicates, much of the polling is done in areas and with demographics that favor Clinton.

Ok...why would someone be purposely skewing the polls to favor Clinton? One could argue that polling that favors Clinton could have a dampening effect on Bernie supporters, who may be dispirited and not turn out to vote.

On the other hand, maybe the polling is being forced to match a dirty final, rigged result?

What would happen if pre-primary polling favored Bernie and then Clinton won?

Notice how some states to exit polling and others don't? What's up with that?

[litlbilly]

31. I think no early voting in NY helps Bernie. They cant show up late and say, hey we found another 5

thousand early votes for Hillary

[TheFarseer]

62. Is there any form of absentee/mail in voting?

I swear about half her "votes" come in this form.

[litlbilly]

63. I dont think so in NY. I could be wrong

[CrowCityDem]

32. Yes, the polling is done in Hillary strongholds... because that's where the people are.

[DeadLetterOffice]

34. This? This is why so many upstaters don't like NYC people... n/t

[CrowCityDem]

39. I am an upstater. All my life.

[DeadLetterOffice]

59. My apologies for tarring you unfairly.

[xloadiex]

52. I have thought this all along

Make the polls look like she is winning so nobody will pay any attention when the machines get rigged to come out in her favor. I only hope anonymous is watching and stop any shenanigans like they did to Rove.

[speaktruthtopower]

10. Buildings fall down when they shouldn't...

the path to the Senate opens like the Red Sea for the wife of the recent President.

State polls completely inconsistent with national trends.

Voter registration deadlines before anyone knows who the candidates will be.

We'll see what happens Tuesday night.

[COLGATE4]

35. Hillary will win by 15 points. nt

[dchill]

11. I have expected this very thing to be happening...

It gives cover for vote-flipping. Then all they have to do is revert to the Rovian slamming of exit polls.

I suspect that real polling would show a Bernie surge. And a lead.

[geek tragedy]

13. so all the pollsters are part of a grand anti-Bernie conspiracy, valiant effort at excuse-making nt

[randome]

15. The conspiracy grows! It grows!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[dchill]

16. Just because you don't see something...

doesn't mean it isn't there. Especially if you don't even want to look.

[COLGATE4]

36. And the more reliable corollary to that is

" if you see something doesn't mean it's there". Especially when you're looking so hard to find it.

[BreakfastClub]

23. The only pure people in the world are Bernie and his followers.

Everyone else is bought off by Wall Street and is on the take.

[Tarc]

14. So, not only does Camp Hillary hack the voter registration database to knock Sanders voters offline

they also manipulate the opinion polling to maintain the illusion of a lead, thereby discouraging Bernie voters from even showing up.

Also, she keeps hot sauce with her at all times.

Did I miss anything?

[randome]

17. You forgot lesbian baby-muncher!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[beedle]

30. Did you even bother to read the article and look at the evidence presented?

No, of course not ... which is fine ... don't worry, you're up by at least 20 points, trust the polls ... you probably don't even need to vote really.

[COLGATE4]

37. Yes. She's married to Bill Clinton and she killed

Vince Foster.

[Tarc]

44. I heard that once, in 3rd grade...

It really was Hillary who had her hand in the cookie jar.

[COLGATE4]

53. Don't forget "Travelgate" when Hillary singlehandedly made every

WH Travel Office cry and spill their milk.

[lagomorph777]

18. Amazing to see this reported on an anti-Bernie site.

That lends some credibility.

[LonePirate]

25. You don't spend much time on Daily Kos if you think that.

[lagomorph777]

41. I listened to an interview with Marcos the other day

...seemed pretty clear to me.

[LonePirate]

43. Even if Markos does support Hillary, his site contains far more new pro-Bernie content.

It is no different than DU. Skinner, I believe, is a Hillary supporter,; but DU is certainly not an anti-Bernie site based on the number of pro-Bernie posters and threads. Kos is no different.

[workinclasszero]

20. You can always tell when Bernie is in trouble around here

by the number of posts claiming VOTE FRAUD!!11!

And SHENANIGANS!!!111!

[KingFlorez]

22. Se Acabo

[LonePirate]

26. Oh great, just what we needed - more chum in the water for the tin foil hatted sharks.

[Turn CO Blue]

27. Remember 2008, where precincts in Harlem reported ZERO votes for Obama.... until audited?

Yeah, we are definitely up against a political machine in New York.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Democratic_primary,_2008

Vote discrepancies


After the votes were initially counted on election night, certain districts near New York City were found to be missing their vote tallies for Obama.[2] The New York Times conducted a review of the unofficial results from the primary. They found that, among New York City's 6,106 election districts participating, 80 districts did not record a single vote for Obama, including heavily black districts like Harlem, as well as districts next to others where Obama had very favorable results. City election officials reviewed the vote tallies and found several inaccuracies. For example, in Harlem where Clinton led Obama 141 to 0, the recounted vote was counted as 261 to 136, Clinton.[3] In Brooklyn the primary night vote was 118 to 0, Clinton, whereas the recounted vote went 118 to 116, Clinton.[3]

Democratic leaders blamed the discrepancies on "human error" due to weary election officials on primary day. According to ABC News, however, other candidates such as John Edwards did not have this problem; it seemed to be almost exclusive to Obama.[4]

[xynthee]

42. Whoa! I don't remember that!

Why the hell hasn't anything been done about this??!!

[janlea]

40. Yeah

I think so, too. It's still the ongoing smear to try to bury Bernie. Look how far he's come anyway!!!!!!
Love that man!!

[Sheepshank]

45. EVERY single fucking State Bernie loses.....

we have to listen to all the "shenanigans". Not once have the BS supporters simply admitted that the people have spoken...not fucking once.

[bkkyosemite]

46. Yes you do because they are true!

[Sheepshank]

47. woo is not true

[brooklynite]

54. In that case, point to a single complaint Bernie Sanders has filed about a Primary/Caucus result

[restorefreedom]

48. the polls have been cooked

1 to supress votes
2 so that when ny is stolen, people can say "well the polls predicted this "win"

[Seeinghope]

50. Wouldn't this work against Clinton though?

The urgency to vote for Clinton wouldn't be there if she appears to already be the win we.

[MFM008]

51. all this starts

when Sanders is on the verge of a lose.

[AzDar]

57. K & R