Pennsylvania is also a closed primary state!

[Cali_Democrat]

Sweet!

[KingFlorez]

1. Expect several people to claim their registration was "changed"

[workinclasszero]

6. Untold thousands I'm sure!

[NurseJackie]

8. By OMNISCIENT clerks who have nothing better to do than to DIVINE which voters are Bernie fans...

... and then CHANGE their registration just by sheer intuition (leaving absolutely NO paper trail or data trail or audit-trail).






Go, Hillary! We love you!

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[sheshe2]

21. Ha!

[Buzz Clik]

30. That ranks up there with, "I know I put my keys RIGHT HERE! Where did you move them?"

[Stallion]

43. The Reason Clinton Supporters Aren't Claiming Registration Fraud Is Because They Are Real Democrats

are and always will be-they don't switch between Ralph Nader, Ron Paul or Jill Stein. They are reliable democrats who always vote Democrat. I'd bet these Sanders supporters made their own bed

[ieoeja]

57. I actually know quite a number of Hillary supporters who have never voted for other Democrats.

A lot of the Reagan Democrats flipped to vote for Bill Clinton and will do the same for Hillary. Most other Democrats they hate.

In fact, Bill's entire 1992 general election campaign was built on the argument that he, as a Democrat, could do a better job of controlling the out of control, liberal Democrats than could a Republican president. His constant harping on how bad liberal Democrats were was a big part of ending Democratic control of the House of Representatives for 60 years out of the previous 62 years.

For that matter, at least one Hillary supporter on DU right now dropped her Democratic registration in New York the day we nominated the Black guy. She only restored it this year to vote for Hillary, and says she plans to drop it again after the election.

[firebrand80]

2. Also a lot of "Dixie" votes in Philadelphia nt

[NurseJackie]

3. Brace yourself for more BMW-ing about being "disenfranchised" and how NON-PARTY members ...

... want to participate in PARTY ACTIVITIES.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

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[Buzz Clik]

4. 5 remaining primaries in April are closed:

NY, CT, DE, MD, PA.

607 delegates.

That's why the Bernie fans are so cranky.

[NurseJackie]

26. It's going to be a long rest-of-the-month for them... they're certainly going to be unhappy.

I'm just noting it ... not really caring about it one way or the other.

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[workinclasszero]

5. The injustice of it all!

Democrats voting for democrats!

[IamMab]

7. New Jersey too. We'll start prepping the whaaambulances now in anticipation!

[livetohike]

9. Cannot wait to vote here in PA! I work at the polls, so this should be fun.

[geek tragedy]

10. PA and MD and CT and DE. nt

[still_one]

27. Where registered Democrats determine their nominee

[berniepdx420]

11. That's it cali..cheer for voter suppression that fits you...democrat?

democrate? really?

in money only ...maybe



Glad my grandparents aren't alive to see whats become of their Party..

Guess these are the Democrats the Reagan Revolution and the Clinton Third Wayers brought us..

sad but

[sheshe2]

47. closed primaries=voter suppression

[metroins]

52. Primaries are for parties to select their nominee

It's actually one of the most non-suppressive rules in a representative democracy.

It stops cross overs from disrupting the utmost good faith nature of a party selecting the nominee that represents the party.

Anybody can participate in the general election because the parties have chosen their representatives.

[WhiteTara]

55. If they got out and worked in the committee or clubs

then they would not be unhappy. It's been a long time since primaries were closed to keep the other party of nominating their weakest candidate in hopes of beating them in the general.

But your name and post count indicate that you are something of a johnny come lately. Did you take any polisci in school at all?

[berniepdx420]

56. No white?tara.. it's voter suppression plain and simple.. no way around it.. if on the day of the

election if a voter wants to vote... why shouldn't they be able to.. same day registration same day voting is the only way to go... Party politics is a sham

[WhiteTara]

59. Well, I was going to suggest that you work

within the party to change things, but you ruled that out. Perhaps you can get a job in the election commission to help change things or you can complain and things will stay the same, except for your blood pressure.

[berniepdx420]

61. no no... not ruled out.. we are currently remaking the Party.. we are exposing the Reagan

Revolution and Clinton Third way Democrats. That doesn't preclude us from having open same day registration Primaries.. you are a bit confused and blinded by your allegiance.. and my BP is A ok..just had it checked the other day.. but thank you for your heart felt concern.

[COLGATE4]

34. You are getting close to delusional now. See your

health care provider. They have things that can help.

[dchill]

13. Yep. And I, a longtime registered Democrat, live here in PA.

As a Bernie supporter, I eagerly await Hillary and her shotgun barnstormer.

[silvershadow]

15. She has to do them all that way, since she draws less-than impressive "crowds". nt

[sheshe2]

49. Well if size really matters...

why isn't BS winning by a landslide? I keep reading all these posts that 10's of thousands of people are attending his rallies. Why haven't all these people voted?

[silvershadow]

54. He is like a steam train. He is still building up his momentum. You ain't seen nothing yet. nt

[sheshe2]

62. K

[ridgenvalley]

14. It's so sweet when you know the game is fixed!

[silvershadow]

16. One word: Convention. nt

[dchill]

17. Yep. That's in PA, too!

[ridgenvalley]

19. I'll second that.

[onehandle]

23. I highly doubt that Bernie will go all Ted Cruz at the convention. nt

[silvershadow]

25. I highly doubt that will even be the scenario. nt

[geek tragedy]

18. it's not fixed, Clinton lost to Obama under the same rules in 2008

Democrats choosing their own nominee is hardly a scandal

[rhett o rick]

22. Once again you logic fails. Just because Obama won doesn't mean the fix wasn't in.

You guys pretend you've never heard of voter disenfranchisement or out right election fraud before. But you are ok with it because it favors your side.

[sheshe2]

33. Closed primaries = election fraud now?

[rhett o rick]

35. I notice that it's a tactic to post something crazy and put a ? at the end.

The new Clinton motto seems to be: "Win at all costs." ?

[sheshe2]

37. K?

[WhiteTara]

38. Only this year. Don't you know?

Hillary wins, it's rigged.

[ridgenvalley]

39. It's not a free pass.

My s.o. and I switched I to D for the primaries, and double checked our status through the online PA portal. I was ok, s.o. was not. Had to verify his change had been made. Double-checking registration is good advice for anyone who has changed affiliation recently.

[onehandle]

20. Yep. My wife and I will be voting for Hillary in Philly. nt

[rhett o rick]

24. The easier to steal the election. nm

[Buzz Clik]

28. nm

[sheshe2]

32. Oh please....

[meow2u3]

29. PA DUers: be sure to check your voter registration status

https://www.pavoterservices.state.pa.us/pages/voterregistrationstatus.aspx

It's important to see if there have been any shenanigans, such as party registration being changed from Dem to independent or unaffiliated.

[ridgenvalley]

41. +1

[sheshe2]

31. Yay!

No more shenanigans~

[cloudythescribbler]

36. bernie's delegates should as a bloc, insist platform categorically OPPOSE closed primaries ...

... and hopefully some fair-minded hillary delegates will join them and make the change

but shouldn't "Democrats" choose the Democratic nominee? isn't that like having your neighbor choose your house's interior decoration?

in an era when, nationally, registered Independents outnumber Democrats as well as Republicans (and may soon outnumber the total number of BOTH parties' registrants) excluding them from the process of choosing the nominees is both wrong and foolish. insurgent outsiders (like Obama and Sanders) do much better among Independents than among those registered to the Party. Without those state contests that include Independents, Barack Obama might never have become the nominee -- to the Party's and the country's disadvantage (tho I know many would have preferred that, remembering how bitter the 07-08 cycle was on DU).

the notion that those registered to the Democratic Party somehow form a meaningful "club" as against registered Independents is really a myth -- it is in fact a way of keeping especially younger voters out of the increasingly crucial primary process to have primaries "closed" to Independents. And the inconsistency of having some states 'closed' and others 'mixed' distorts the political process even more

of course, as this OP reflects, whether the primary is 'closed' or not advantages some and disadvantages others, and those who are advantaged are often going to see the benefit. but in the frame I am raising, sanderistas would be trying to open the way for FUTURE insurgencies, and not changing their own future.

(there is at least some plausible reason to be skeptical of having primaries open to the other registered Party members, especially in a situation where only one Party has a competitive primary campaign. Let's say it was a situation like 2004, and Republicans had some motivation to flock to primaries where no Republican contest existed, in order to cause mischief. Not that that happened -- the campaign was quickly a Kerry coronation (unfortunately) and not heavily contested except at the beginning; also most states are not completely open but rather 'mixed'. keeping the primaries at least in most states 'mixed' at least radically reduces this possibility

to celebrate the exclusion of independent voices (although different in SOME respects) shares all too much with those who are glad to see 'voter ID' laws, which also advantage some politics (the GOP) against others (Democrats).

I'd be interested in how many hillary supporters are out there on DU who would support the rule change (even though as on this thread so far, I expect most would like to keep the "sweetness" of 'closed' primaries).

there are many things bernie should insist upon for the platform and this is one of them

[WhiteTara]

40. Bernie changed his registration to run as a Democrat

why shouldn't his supporters change their registration to vote for him?

[sheshe2]

50. Excellent question, WhiteTara.

[WhiteTara]

51. I think perhaps

most of them don't know how politics work and have paid scant attention in the past and are stunned they have to do something that requires them to take an action in advance. Bernie needed a better ground game or at least needed to explain how it all works at his rallies.

[obamanut2012]

67. That would make a great OP

That is a great point. The best point.

[LonePirate]

42. Sure let's open our primaries and watch the Repubs come flooding in

They will vote for the worst candidate or the most conservative one, which may vary per election. Is that what you want?

[Demsrule86]

64. Exactly

They have already done so in my opinion which is why Bernie has no coattails.

[msongs]

44. the hillary camp changed the rules in 1616 to cheat bernie out of the win in 2016 - must

be true cuz every time bernie loses it is because of cheating according to the cult members

[Sheepshank]

45. Bodes well for Dems actually getting a voice in picking the Dem Candidate

...rather than non Dems playing with the results.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. You folks put far, far too much stock in 'closed primary'. Oregon is a closed primary, Bernie will

win it. NY State's election rules utterly stink and no Democrat should support that, Pennsylvania has a much later registration deadline of 30 days before the election and people can make any changes they like up until that time, such as joining the Democratic Party. Which Democrats want people to do, join our Party. NY has by far the earliest deadline for changing affiliations in the country. 11 States have closed primaries, only NY has all the other crapola that keeps their turnout so shamefully low..
So it's not the golden ticket you think it is. And it's revolting to see 'Democrats' hoping to not see newly registered Democrats join our Party. That's detrimental to long term survival. Primaries need to expand the Party like 2008 did.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

48. [phone]

[Cali_Democrat]

60. The problem for Bernie is that Oregon only has 74 delegates.

A drop in the bucket at this point in the primaries.

Bernie blowing out Hillary in Oregon won't mean much. He needs to win big in big states like New York to even have a chance.

States like New York are more meaningful when it comes to determining the Democratic nominee.

[azurnoir]

53. yes we are very aware that it seems Hillary's campaign needs to limit voter participation to win

too bad that won't work in the GE

[Demsrule86]

65. Indeed

Closed primaries keep the Gop riffraff out. That helps her win.

[azurnoir]

66. so Sanders supporters are GOP riff-raff ?

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. As of this date, only 11 states and D.C. are progressive enough to allow same-day registration.

Lucky you.

[Odin2005]

63. Thanks for showing that Hillary supporters hate democracy.

[blue neen]

68. Yep! Only 8 more days.

I can't wait.

As I was typing this, I got a call with polling questions for the Presidential Primary and the PA Senatorial Primary.

[Tarc]

69. The new Camp Sanders meme is to scream DISENFRANCHISEMENT!

Regarding the very premise of a closed primary.