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Related: About this forumClinton supporters online spreading images of Bernie Sanders head photoshopped on Virgin Mary
Hillary Clinton supporters on the internet are spreading images of religious iconography where Bernie Sanders head is cut and pasted onto an image of the Virgin Mary.
I'm not clear what the point of it is supposed to be but it's bound to be offensive to a large group of people. Really boorish behavior if you ask me. This is what it looks like:
Clintonites have started repeating these images in their avatars and signature lines on some internet web forums and discussion boards.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)people making fun of the numerous occasions Bernie was compared to Christ and then the (as we were told) invitation and in depth discussions with the Pope regarding social issues
MisterP
(23,730 posts)when smearing opponents--they've never STUCK with one: there hasn't been a whisper about race now that they're angry about the ban on Catholic female priests and people throwing money at SUVs; then once they switch back it'll be all race and no gender; it's tiresome, feeds the Trump followers, and turns real issues into electoral brickbats for a candidate who openly throws those same issues under the bus
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)vimeo.com/163178551
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)See, it's perfectly acceptable to make fun of Sanders in ways that would never be permitted for women, minorities, etc. By extension, it's now OK to make fun of the Roman Catholic Church, since they invited Sanders to a conference, and the Pope shook his hand. The word now is the Pope is nothing but a sexist neanderthal pig, so it's OK to dis on his followers.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I initiated the use of that image at DU as my sig line to put a thumb in the eye of those Sanders supporters who speak of him in terms of a saint rather than just another crappy politician. I was thrilled that my message was received loud and clear.
I took it down in deference to a friend.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences or criticism.
Nobody questioned your freedom of speech, did they?
So hiding behind a free speech defense is a red herring and the same argument used by white supremacists.
Glad you find it amusing.
JSup
(740 posts)...that he took it down because a friend didn't like it.
rock
(13,218 posts)They aren't doing it right.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)All in it together
(275 posts)Bernie is head and shoulders above most politicians, he deserves the praise.
senz
(11,945 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)At least among his supporters. Bernie is the Saint and Hillary is the Satan.
That's the meme on this board.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)whereas the hot sauce thing is just stupidity and makes no sense considering she's been talking about her love of it for years. I think the Virgin Mary photoshop is pretty genius actually. I can see why it would bother Bernie supporters. It's a good offensive move because it tells a bigger truth about Bernie, and one that his supporters don't want to face.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Bet you can't even imagine that, especially given what you're supporting.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Especially when you can find OPs like this on DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511591182
The above extract was my personal favorite among the hilarious hagiography to be found there.
Be sure to have a look at that link. It's a study in cultish comportment, plus it's really, really funny.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I'm starting to think he views himself as some sort of religious, supernatural figure.
beedle
(1,235 posts)when Clinton camp pulled the same BS on him?
Not sure really what's wrong with being a Muslim or a Catholic ... am I missing something? Have the Democratic Establishment released a new rule book on acceptable racism and bigotry?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)And besides, his message has essentially been endorsed by my other favorite Democrat, George Clooney even tho he is supporting Hillary and the downticket Dems. Now Clooney is one I'd love to have an "audience" with...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)What an awful thing.
Did you object to the similar disparaging "saintly" mocking references to Sen. Obama and his supporters in 2008?
senz
(11,945 posts)You might as well be speaking Swahili.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)In the US. You know, the other.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)they are disparaging him by putting his head on a female body, as if that's some kind of insult.
beedle
(1,235 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)i do not make fun of people of different faiths and i wish they would leave my faith alone as well
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)that's my take
nadinbrzezinski posted on it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511745680
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)That's what people do, don't let it upset you. Look what they did to our prime minister just for fucking one dead pig.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Ooooh, thank you, Bad Dog.
Piggate?! BAD Internet! Bad, bad, baaad Internet!!
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)How many World leaders can do that and stay in office?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They're very protective, and their chosen leader is typically never so right as when when he is very wrong.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)It will be a different story after the referendum.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)And generational. Only the older generation wants to leave, but it's not their future they're pissing over.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)so things like this don't bother me.
I wouldn't have a problem with Bernie supporters depicting Hillary in a monocle and tophat like the fat cat from the Monopoly game...
Lone_Wolf
(1,603 posts)Mary holds a special place among us Catholics and it's particularly offensive.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Blood libel is also implied. I am happy to see others are now picking on this.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)then there is the put a fork in him he's done one too...disgusting.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)and if he's not getting paid he is dumbest f*&ker on the internet
Tarc
(10,476 posts)I love it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)That person doesn't have your image but something crappy regardless.
What was the more widely used term back then to deride Obama to that effect back then?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Could be fun seeing who used to call him that compared to today.
All in it together
(275 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)and speaks volumes about the similarities between member of the Clinton Cult and the Far Right.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)blm
(113,065 posts)Is today Petty Monday, or something? Did I miss a memo?
Merryland
(1,134 posts)It is as offensive as the Clinton face on donald trump & vice - versa - just ugliness that would be offensive to many Catholics as well as Sanders supporters. Ridicule is disgusting.
jillan
(39,451 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Maybe they should keep doing what they're doing.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)[link:|
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)the SHOCK and offense at the Bernie rendering rings hollow at this point.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Nothing new.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)typical of her entitled 1% WASP base
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)anyone standing up for human rights must look like a saint. All of these cheap shots just make Bernie Sanders stronger--it works backwards!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)at the Vatican. Poor little kids. They just can't stand that they have competition. So they have to degrade not only Bernie but also the Church.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)that anyone would get offended by this.
Someone is always offended by something.
I think it's kind of silly, and maybe a bit immature, but nothing to be offended about. Let them have their fun.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)upcoming states..
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)The notion that this will influence anything other than conversation patterns on DU is pretty amusing. This non-controversy is a classic example of some people being able to dish it out but not take it.
MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)post-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511745680
There's some decent information and some people willing to discuss the topic, but you have to pick through. It's a good OP.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I hope they keep it up.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Forget asking me for DU links -- it's been all over the place starting about the time someone proclaimed Bernie "a JEWISH CARPENTER!" in caps, with exclamation points.
Self-identified adoring Bernie supporters started using Christian iconography on this agnostic Yiddische mensch with great abandon. Several times I pointed out at DU how inappropriate this is, given his family history (his father's family was wiped out by Christians in the Holocaust; and even after the war was over, good Polish Christians tried to kill off the few Jews returning from the camps).
But it continued unabated.
The frosting on the cake for me was when he started planning a trip to the Vatican. Suddenly Democratic Underground, which has a long and ugly history of hatred of the Roman Catholic Church and whoever the Pope is, including this one, was all over how fabulous it was that Bernie was going to schmooze with the Pope. Well, fine, that IS fabulous if so. HOWEVER, now Bernie's online image became smothered in explicitly Roman Catholic iconography.
So, I am sorry if you suddenly feel offended, Cheese Sandwich. But I know exactly which group started this mishegas. Own it, and fix it yourselves.
JURY: This is a combination of factual DU history and my opinion of it. The facts are there. I'm not trying to be mean -- I've been following these developments with a dropped jaw the whole time. (And by the way, my own late father in law was a Polish Jew whose entire first family, wife, kids, and in-laws, was killed at Auschwitz. It's in my immediate family.)
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Please proceed, Clinton supporters.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I think it's funny
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)And has the back of an avowed anti-Semite is doing this? I'd put a sarcastic surprised face here but I don't know how.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)that bothers HRC supporters so much about Bernie is, in fact, precisely that he doesn't lie, he doesn't do deals with banks and corporations, he doesn't say one thing in public and say an opposite thing behind closed doors. A psychoanalyst might suggest that people who are especially invested in disavowing their own less-than-virtuous behavior (and don't we all engage in less-than-virtuous behavior at one point or another?) feel judged and condemned by the mere behavior of others who hold themselves to higher standard. Somehow, Bernie's honesty is an insult to themselves and makes them dislike him all the more.
senz
(11,945 posts)It's really quite self-sacrificial on their part to act it out so convincingly.
Maybe we can find a way to thank them someday.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)join them!
There's enough on Google images of Hillary. *wink wink*
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)To the Clinton oligarch enablers it equates to Saint Bernie the Bleeding Heart Liberal.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)A twofer I explains it last week
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Isn't that his brand?
QC
(26,371 posts)That's very strange indeed.
http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/celtic-cross.html
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)One poster has had that one for years. Call outs are a no-no. It was taken to ATA. So the rest say it is in support of that poster. Just giving you the full record so that particular poster is quite in the clear.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Aside from that, I've just thought of it as an interesting display of jealousy. We have a good-hearted candidate. They don't.
I don't mind the association of Sanders with Mother Mary. I was raised as a Catholic and have found deep associations between Mary and the ancient goddess whom the male priesthood changed into a mere human, though a blessed one. Many of the great cathedrals of Europe were built over former goddess shrines, specifically to co-opt the particular power of worshiping God as a woman. To me, now, that goddess represents Mother Earth and all her critters and her totality as the life-giver--as well as the loving, compassionate, nurturing aspect of human life. Without that, we wouldn't be here, as a race of sentient beings. Who carried the babies on their backs or on their hips for thousands of miles out of Africa to everywhere? Who taught their babies to speak? Who taught them to think? Who taught men to be more than simply hungry hunters? Who taught men to love? Who taught them to think of the future?
Just my thoughts as to why people first of all worshiped the Woman, and made images of her (which male anthropologists used to dismiss as mere "fertility figures" . Love of children and of fertility and birth led to so many advances in human society and in the human brain. It probably was the beginning of science (noting women's cycles' connection to the moon, etc.) and certainly contributed to the beginnings of human organization and cooperation.
Sanders is the only candidate who has stated that restoring and protecting the Earth is our MORAL duty. He is the only serious presidential contender who has EVER said so (to my memory; or, in any case, has said so and meant it). He was personally drawn to Vermont after attending summer camp as a kid in Brooklyn and finding that he loved nature. (He said this in an interview.) He is a big supporter of organic farming in VT. Organic farmers respect Mother Earth and her ways, and consequently grow much better food--far more nutritious and better tasting.
The Church taught that Mary was (is) a virgin--gave birth to the god-man Jesus without sex, which I have always found ridiculous (even as a kid). That is their core MISTAKE as to everything that followed theologically and their various insults to women (and worse) down through the centuries. However, that IS one aspect of the ancient goddess--the virgin, the innocent girl, the woman who removes herself from men either completely or as a ritual (in the ancient temples) after what was considered healing sex with men (producing children who were raised by the temple). The other aspects of the goddess are the mother (overseer of life) and the crone (overseer of death and regeneration).
The sacred virgin became a repeated theme in sainthood stories of the Church. It was obsessive. Not a week went by when some little "holy card" with a sainted virgin on it was given to me as a little girl. I finally rejected it all as a male obsession. But the notions of purity and purification remain in all of us. They are deeply embedded in our psyche.
One of Sanders' greatest attractions--to me, and I imagine to many others--is that he is not OF the utterly filthy, corrupt and devastatingly bad campaign finance system by which our government is bought and sold by the uber rich. He is pure--or as pure as anyone can get--in this respect. And I think he also offers the transformative notion of purification--that we can reform our system, that democracy can be reborn.
In all of these senses, I don't find the Clintonites' crude little cartoon joke offensive. It is a left-handed compliment. (Ha-ha!) They wish they had a candidate that people look up to in this way. And the fact that they very decidedly don't have such a candidate annoys them, makes them jealous, drives them to poke fun. Too bad they've lost their ideals.
Yes, it is probably offensive to many. It isn't to me. It is just sad that when there is a spark of the divine--a good heart, a genuine commitment to clean government, the desire for a decent society--in a public figure, some respond with ridicule. But every public figure who has had this divine spark has suffered ridicule, even far worse than this. It is not worship to honestly acknowledge such a quality. It is simply a joy to see it in any human being, let alone in a politician.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)-- H.G. Wells
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