Weaver was on MSNBC. Planning to file a lawsuit over the Hillary Victory Fund...

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

He was on MSNBC and said that only 1/3 at most of the money actually goes to down ticket Democrats. Mentioned the Sanders campaign will be serving the DNC a letter over the Victory fund with intention to file lawsuit.



edit: Here is video of it: https://twitter.com/popmonk/status/722122337370255362

pt2: https://twitter.com/popmonk/status/722132626509733888

[berniepdx420]

1. Revolution!

[roguevalley]

64. that's why I love Bernie. He follows through. They had a front page article about

this in January up here in Alaska talking about bundling money and getting around contribution laws. Ha! I hope this bites them on the ass. Hard.

[cui bono]

97. He certainly walks the walk!

He ain't skeered of nobody!

Feel the Bern!!!


.

[appalachiablue]

114. Fanatastic!! Weaver is another real Fighter, believe it. Go Jeff Go!!

"WHAT DID YOU SAY, FOOL?"


Weaver is The Man and Badass. Love it!!

[cui bono]

115. I listened to CNN on the way to work and he was on.

They just kept hammering him with negatives and he stood strong and stayed on message.

.

[appalachiablue]

117. That I believe. Weaver is a ROCK. No joke. When I attended a great public policy forum

last June where Bernie was one of the 2 main speakers, I noticed Jeff standing at the auditorium exit doors, intently focused on Bernie at the podium the entire time. Weaver is a real force, intellectually, verbally and physically. Cool as Ice and A Major Asset.

[bjo59]

67. I read through all the responses here and

even though I'm getting the picture that it's par for the course, I just can't get over how the pro-Hillary commentary is so solidly comprised of insults. It reminds of of those 1990s tabloid talk shows where a bunch of people sit on stage and yell slurs and insults at their adversaries and never back up one of their claims with any evidence. It's the wild, unsubstantiated claims asserted in a sneering, dismissive tone that I just can't get over. Real bottom-of-the-barrell stuff.

[Bubzer]

68. Insults are the standard go-to when the can't fight substantively.

[Seeinghope]

74. I said this and I meant it. It reminds me of the Bush days when all of the evidence was there right

in front of his supporters yet they chose to ignore it. This was worse even during his second go round. We were attacked on 9/11, sold a bill of good that put us into a quagmire and also in Afghanistan. Yet there were all kinds of excuses for Bush and attacks on everything and everyone else that didn't agree with him. It was insane. Evidence was right there in front of these people and they just would not accept it.

They chose to support needless war over peace. Losing our rights to privacy as citizens, tax cuts again for the wealthy, obvious ties to the Saudi who were involved in 9/11, Abu Gahrib, Hurricane Katrina.....but no their minds were made up and no matter what George W Bush was their guy.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

111. The most insane argument that the Bush people kept making ...

Was that we haven't been attacked since 9/11. As if that was a credible and not-at-all-weird argument to make! "Yeah, after the terrible attacks of September 11th, we've been totally safe!"

I was too overwhelmed by the empty logic of the argument to respond. It was simply too amazing for words.

[noretreatnosurrender]

77. It's the Election Season Flu AKA Primary Season Flu

that has infected so many here at DU. What you list are the main symptoms.

[berniepdx420]

92. +420

[appalachiablue]

116. ~ AMERICANS UNITED, FOR CHANGE, PROGRESS AND A FUTURE TO BELIEVE IN: BERNIE ~

[grasswire]

2. HOORAY!!

It's a trick.

The state campaigns have to return most of the money to the DNC.

A shell game.

A carney shell game.

[Dragonfli]

9. Three card monte

[Land of Enchantment]

84. I love you but don't ever invite me over for dinner and drinks and cards!!!!!

Actually, I was thinking about you today because I read your thread about being disenfranchised for the election tomorrow. I hope you have found a way to vote and if your registration was changed it would have to have a signature-is it yours?
Best to you, Dragonfli.

[Dragonfli]

90. OK no cards (damn, now how am I gonna' pay for those drinks)! Unfortunately, my vote is denied me

as well as all the others in my position. After many emails, calls and letters, I was able to register some complaints (one to the ACLU) and another to My local board of elections, also the Sanders campaign took down my complaint, they were very nice but not hopeful. That problem is, I may be helping a long term cause regarding voter disenfranchisement by doing all this, but nothing I've done will allow me to vote this primary, I was able "to be allowed to vote next primary" (or so they claim) after re-enrolling me as such was still an option when I discovered the "error".

It appear there is no paper to verify my "changes" to "unaffiliated" (actually the portion of my record in the database regarding party affiliation is just blank with no entry), others have proof of paper sent in with signatures that don't match changing their party affiliation and I suppose that may help them regarding our only option when not on the official roles printed out at our poling places, printed from the same database that has me blank I might add.

Because I was so adamant about being on as many records as I could find that would take my complaint, someday if an audit of the database by the FBI is done, it may result in closer monitoring regarding how and why certain changes are made, or data deleted, either by hack or employee with authorized access to the database.

I only have the option of voting by affidavit, it will only be counted if my party affiliation is verified, the verification is done by calling up my record in the changed database - catch 22, meaning it will be tossed along with all the others that are the victim of this method of election fraud. The only silver lining is the minority of those switched that were done in their name via paper mailed, but not by them and the signatures don't match, may get their affidavit vote counted, but they will have to see a judge to do so, I wish them God speed and hope, but the rest of us are already, done deal, no turning back, already well and truly fucked.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

112. According to the Hillary supporters, this is all your fault.

So next time be aware when your affiliation is scrubbed and switched behind your back!!

[Dragonfli]

113. How dare I think no one should change my information FOR me! Wait what? Are they crazy or stupid? nt

[Fantastic Anarchist]

119. You know the answer. ;)

[polichick]

3. Good - let's look at the Clinton Foundation too.

[rhett o rick]

5. You mean the Bill and Hillary Retirement Fund? nm

[ChisolmTrailDem]

6. More about that here...

vimeo.com/163178551

[polichick]

33. I dare Clinton followers to watch this and take the blinders off!

[leftynyc]

41. I DARE Bernie supporters

into pointing out that charge comes from a 9/11 truther. Apparently there is no depths into the sewer Bernie supporters wont swim in. Disgusting.

[radical noodle]

44. THIS ^^^^^^

[polichick]

47. Typical Republican tactic - shoot the messenger.

[leftynyc]

48. LOL - Which right wing sewer

should we expect next? free republic, red state? You delusional math challenged people are hilarious. And really? You think you can hurt my feelings by calling me a republican? That's pathetic.

[polichick]

49. Ask HRC - she gets her right wing leanings from the right wing sewer...

What's pathetic is people who support that crap calling out those who support New Deal policies.

[leftynyc]

100. I guess we have

yet to see the depths of the sewers the Bernie supporters will swim in. I don't see anyone other than Bernie supporters asking liberals to believe right wing crap. Why would that be? I guess it could be because the cons have yet to turn their guns on Bernie (they haven't even touched him) but I know I don't visit their sewers and discount anything coming from there. You don't - that's entirely your problem, not mine.

[polichick]

109. lol - you support a candidate who is all about right wing policies.

[delrem]

99. That Abby Martin is called a "9/11 truther" clinches it for me.

A noun, a verb and 9/11.
Debate OVER! That's a shot right through Abby Martin's brain.

Picking off these lefty crazies is so EASY.

Myself, I have no doubts that all truth is known about 9/11 and that transparency rules. To think anything else isn't patriotic. It's to be CT Crazy. I won't even admit the subject is worthy of discussion, I'm so certain of things.

[leftynyc]

101. You want to hang your hat

on 9/11 truthers, knock yourself out. I expect people to know where their sources are coming from. You obviously have a problem with knowledge - but will believe any bullshit that you think gives you ammunition. Like every single right winger I have the misfortune of knowing.

[delrem]

102. Ouch. You called me a "right wing 9/11 truther"!

That sure the hell does respond to Abby Martin with the most concise substance so far, from Hillary Clinton's campaign!

I'm impressed.

[leftynyc]

103. Reading comprehension

isn't your forte, is it? That's also not my problem.

[delrem]

104. I hang my hat on my 'leet skilz in "reading comprehension".

Dig it.

[Bohemianwriter]

105. It's always refreshing to see...

How Hillary supporters rush to the defense of Bush & Cheney's criminal incompetence during 9-11 to attack Bernie supporters (left of Hillary) as RWers, thinking Bush & Cheney has been honest about the attack since day 1.

[leftynyc]

106. Spare me the bullshit

Where did I come to the defense of ANYONE who wants to blame Bush's incompetence and failure to read their memos and know what's going on? I know who was responsible - 19 assholes, 15 of which came from Saudi Arabia. Nice of you to defend the terrorists so you can make a stupid political point (see, I can play that game also).

[Bohemianwriter]

107. There you go....

The dishonesty and RW nature of Hillary supporters comes out in all it's glory....

Still a Bushbot with the faux patriotism, defending a criminal for his treason. Wonder what the 28 pages from the report is hiding. Wonder what Hillary is hiding besides her speeches and her support for criminal coup makers in Latin America (in which she wants to send refugees back to)...

[leftynyc]

108. LOL

Keep dreaming. I've been fighting for liberal causes since you were in diapers. I love how the Bernie supporters think only they know the story, only they are REAL liberals, only they can possibly fix what's wrong. Good luck depending on the Hillary supporters giving anything but their vote to your candidate if he manages to ever catch up to her delegate total. You wont be getting a dime from me. ALL my money will be going to down tickets races since you Bernie supporters think all you need is a President who can wave his magic wand.

Call me a right winger all you want since that's the only card you seem to be able to play. I long since stopped giving a shit what dishonest hacks on either side of the aisle have to say. Your opinion of me is worthless.

[rock]

61. Aha! So that's where the stench comes from

Are you voting tomorrow?

[farleftlib]

82. Wow, that was powerful

and a totally justified rebuke of what Hill's hawkish foreign policy would mean for the world, if God forbid, she becomes president.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

4. Added a twitter link to video of the revelation.

[CrowCityDem]

7. Bernie: I don't raise money for anyone else, so you can't sue me over it!

Time for Bernie to go home. His campaign is getting sad.

[Loudestlib]

22. Awww did someone lose a talking point?

[arcane1]

63. Good! I donate to HIS campaign and want it spent on HIS campaign.

It's a rather pathetic argument you're making.

[itsrobert]

8. Wow, losing is making Sanders campaign go off the deep end

Those internals for New York must be real bad.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

12. No, the Hillary Campaign is intentionally misleading donors...

The fact is over 2/3 of the money the Victory Fund raises is funneled back to the Clinton campaign due to loopholes the supreme court opened up. Unfortunately the Clinton Campaign misleads the donors to the Victory Fund by suggesting it is used to help downballot candidates, when less than 1/3 is going to downticket candidates.

[itsrobert]

13. 1/3 is a hell of a lot more than Bernie is raising for Democrats

Time for Bernie to put up or shut up.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

16. We have raised money for 3 progressives...

Words is Lucy Flores got a yuge sum of money from her moneybomb.

[whatchamacallit]

18. They should make it clear to donors that two thirds are to feather their nest

And you guys call Bernie a grifter...

[Stallion]

34. +1

nm

[Bubzer]

70. Except there are legalities to be considered... namely in Campaign finance laws.

One cannot make a claim, in this case... that most of the money is going to down-ballot dems... and not carry through. Campaign Finance laws take that sort of thing very seriously.

[itsrobert]

75. Just like foreign donations for Sanders Campaign.

Not really. They are all bark, no bite. Sanders have repeated FEC voilations. Nothing.

[Bubzer]

86. You're arguing apples to oranges. Foreign contributions are under a whole different set of laws.

If you look to most of the major campaign finance lawsuits, you'll find a fairly common theme; Misrepresentation of what the donations were intended for. Republicans get hit with it a lot. And it tends to end careers and can include fines and jail time.

In this case, special attention should be paid to b-1, and a-1.... in that order.

(a)In general
No person who is a candidate for Federal office or an employee or agent of such a candidate shall-
(1) fraudulently misrepresent himself or any committee or organization under his control as speaking or writing or otherwise acting for or on behalf of any other candidate or political party or employee or agent thereof on a matter which is damaging to such other candidate or political party or employee or agent thereof; or

(2) willfully and knowingly participate in or conspire to participate in any plan, scheme, or design to violate paragraph (1).

(b) Fraudulent solicitation of funds
No person shall-

(1) fraudulently misrepresent the person as speaking, writing, or otherwise acting for or on behalf of any candidate or political party or employee or agent thereof for the purpose of soliciting contributions or donations; or

(2) willfully and knowingly participate in or conspire to participate in any plan, scheme, or design to violate paragraph (1).

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title52-section30124&num=0&edition=prelim

[KingFlorez]

15. This is a complete breakdown

Sheer insanity.

[itsrobert]

19. BERNIE CAMPAIGN IN COMPLETE MELTDOWN

[TMontoya]

40. Soon

They will be returning to their "safe spaces".

[Admiral Loinpresser]

96. Good luck with your campaign trying to defeat Cruz or Kasich. n/t

[Broward]

79. A breakdown in morals, yes. That ship sailed with her Iraq War vote

though which you're probably very proud of.

[Vincardog]

17. You forgot the :sarcasm:

[MFM008]

32. They are afraid

They will lose, because if they do, there goes the 'revolution' and the momentum.
funny how thousands of people that rally don't seem to actually vote.

[ViseGrip]

10. I heard how this was presented to people with money in Tampa, supporting Hillary.

One should ask Alex Sink on her steering committee. Florida's former CFO, now looking for a job in Hillary's cabinet.

[ViseGrip]

11. Hillary, "I actually help raise money for other democrats".....liar, some is going back to her!

[Punkingal]

14. OMG....

[Arkansas Granny]

20. Open Secrets has some data you might want to check.

It doesn't appear to agree Weavers claim.

As of 12/31/15:

Total Receipts: $26,921,630
Total Spent: 14,118,114
Received by HRC: 4,440,000

https://www.opensecrets.org/jfc/summary.php?id=C00586537&cycle=2016

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

24. You are not looking deep enough...

The way the loophole that allows this works is that money from victory fund goes to state parties and the DNC. State party money then funnels to the DNC. The DNC then distributes the money back into the Clinton campaign.

This article explains it in full detail: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

And second, Clinton’s fundraising committee is the first since the Supreme Court’s 2014 McCutcheon v FEC decision eliminated aggregate contribution limits and congress increased party contribution limits in the 2014 omnibus budget bill” said Paul Blumenthal, a writer for The Huffington Post.

The key part referring the loophole.

[JonLeibowitz]

27. This is interesting.

I thought the DNC was to be neutral? Surely it's a sign of favoritism that they give the money back to the Clinton campaign, since it isn't in their financial best interests to do so (at this time)

[creeksneakers2]

62. The same deal would probably be available to Bernie

He chooses not to take it.

[Bubzer]

87. You mean this same form of corruption that bypasses the intent of campaign finance law?

I'm glad he's not doing it. I hope she get's put through the ringer FOR doing it. Her, and DWS.

[hill2016]

21. lol

does he have standing to sue???

what kind of relief is he asking???

[Uncle Joe]

23. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, GeorgiaPeanuts.

[uponit7771]

25. But did Sanders give political funds immunity too or was that just gun corps? tia

[Sheepshank]

26. It would appear Weaver is taking note of Trump's penchants for multiple law suits

...I think they think it gives them credibility...or strikes fear. Either way, it's so silly.

[SidDithers]

28. ...

Weaver's a clown.

Sid

[MineralMan]

29. We'll sue! WE'LL SUE!!11!

Good old Weaver. Always ready with a lawsuit of one sort or another. Lame. Crappy optics, too.

Desperation time...

[panader0]

91. From what I understand, it's a way for people to donate much more than the $2700 limit.

I don't know the details, but I doubt that Weaver is uninformed. If what he says is true, and I believe it is,
it is a violation.

[Marr]

30. Wait. Are you telling me a *Clinton* is using the party to make huge sums of cash for themselves?

IMPOSSIBLE.

[R B Garr]

31. LMAO, Weaver/Sanders don't even know what's going on in their own campaign.

They are under investigation by the FEC for massive improprieties, which totally undermines Sanders' own credibility about one of his main campaign platforms. They get more laughable/desperate by the minute.

[msongs]

35. so bernie blows 2 or $300 K to fly to rome to chase down the pope and that'ss ok lol nt

[Seeinghope]

81. He got a lot more for his money than did the people for $353,000.00 for a couple of plates of food.

How many people could that have fed?

Congessmen/women, Senators, and other dignitaries spend that all of the time going to "elective" meetings of far less meaning.....even - wink wink - the business meetings that end up being a vacation of sorts.

Grow up.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

36. The letter has been made available to the public

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bernie-2016-Letter-to-DNC-1.pdf

[grasswire]

37. here's a link to the original counterpunch story from April 2

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

[LiberalFighter]

38. Sanders, Weaver, and Devine will be persona non grata after this.

Good riddance

[morningfog]

118. Either that or in the White House.

[mhatrw]

39. One third? So far, it's more like 5%, if that. nt

[jillan]

42. I bet Rachel is having a nervous breakdown.

[Waiting For Everyman]

43. It's classic money laundering.

I wouldn't be shocked if the FBI recommends RICO when they're done investigating. The Clinton governing method is 100% fraud.

Because as we all know, "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is", to quote Bill Clinton.

[askew]

65. My worry is the Clintons and their shady shit are going to end up pulling in Dems and

Dem donors who had no idea they were getting involved in a Ponzi scheme.

It does make me feel better that I laughed at the guy who called me from the Hillary Victory Fund to donate.

[BernieforPres2016]

45. I saw Clooney's claim that most of the money they raised was going to down ticket Dems

I was wondering if he knew he had been hoodwinked by Hillary's campaign. Will he say anything publicly when he figures it out?

[Beacool]

46. Weaver can sue all he wants, it still won't change the outcome of this election.

His candidate won't be the nominee.

[ibegurpard]

53. maybe a lawsuit will force

The money to be spent where it's touted to be going ... down-ticket candidates. Would you have a problem with that?

[ibegurpard]

50. good

Down ticket candidates aren't getting shit. It's all getting funneled back to Hillary.

[FlatBaroque]

51. Every venture involving the Clinton's

is some form of money landering>influence peddling>cronyism>self enrichment. Say goodbye to Clintonism.

[Bjornsdotter]

55. It's called "Business as Usual" n/t

[Merryland]

52. Why the hell is there even a Hillary Victory Fund - another atrocity

brought to you by the neocon dems we need to overthrow NOW

[ecstatic]

54. That's all we need, precious funds being used to defend against Bernie in an election year.

What an ungrateful, spiteful, and sore loser.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

57. How dare he call out corruption?

Maybe she should not have violated election laws by using her Hillary Victory Fund as the operation that finances small donor fundraising operations that only go to the Hillary Campaign, thus allowing her big money donors a way to donate to her campaign above the legal limit.

[ecstatic]

59. That's a lie. Bernie, like Romney, thinks he can lie his way to the White House

He fooled quite a few people, but these days, you can't win if your campaign is based on lies and smears.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

60. That'll be up to the courts to decide. nt

[Bjornsdotter]

56. I hope I brought enough...

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[Bubzer]

71. LOL

Scootch over!

[Bjornsdotter]

72. :-)

[northernsouthern]

58. But...

...blah,blah,blah...down ticket...something,something...Bernie!

[NCTraveler]

66. Weaver is a piece of shit...

Who has spent the last couple of months making Sanders look bad. I'm wondering if he is on Clintons payroll. Keep talking Weaver.

[passiveporcupine]

69. He's not as bad as Brock

just sayin

[NCTraveler]

73. I think you have me there.

[DrDan]

76. lawsuits = desperation

[LuvLoogie]

78. It's called job security for Weaver. No sense in paying anyone after East coast

primaries, unless....

[Land of Enchantment]

80. Can you please provide a text? My new Windows (fucking 10) keeps playing and

pausing both at the same time. I have no clue what Jeff said.

Muchas gracias!!!
Many thanks!!!!
Merci beau coup!!!

Grazi!!!

[Jefferson23]

83. Bernie FIGHTS Back: Clinton committee raised $33 million in first quarter

Joint committee helps state parties, but spends most of its cash boosting Clinton.

By Kenneth P. Vogel

04/16/16 12:14 AM EDT

Hillary Clinton in the first three months of the year raised $33 million into a joint account her campaign formed with Democratic Party committees, according to a report filed Friday night with the Federal Election Commission.

The report shows that the joint account, called the Hillary Victory Fund, spent heavily trying to develop a small donor base for Clinton’s presidential campaign, but also took advantage of its unique structure to raise nearly $5 million from just 14 mega-rich donors, including entertainment titans Barry Diller, James Cameron and Haim Saban.

The fund comprises Clinton’s presidential campaign committee, as well as the Democratic National Committee and 32 state party committees. As a result, it can accept checks as large as $358,000 per person — a total determined by the maximum donation to each of its component committees ($5,400 to the Clinton campaign, $33,400 to the DNC and $10,000 to each of the state parties).

The idea is that the committee will help the state parties raise money for their general election efforts, an area where Clinton’s allies argue that her insurgent rival for the Democratic presidential nomination Bernie Sanders has done little. Sanders has a joint fundraising committee, as well, but it has been relatively inactive.

Yet, during the first three months of the year, the $2 million transferred by the Hillary Victory Fund to various state party committees paled in comparison to the $9.5 million it transferred to Clinton’s campaign committee or the $3.5 million it transferred to the DNC.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-committee-raised-33-million-222044#ixzz46Dd5lzR1

snip*Brad Deutsch, the lawyer for the Sanders campaign, wrote an open letter to DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz arguing that the Clinton campaign's Hillary Victory Fund, the joint account between the campaign and various Democratic Party committees, "skirts legal limits on federal campaign donations." The fund is made up of the Clinton campaign, 32 state Democratic committees, and the DNC.

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bernie-2016-Letter-to-DNC-1.pdf

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-clinton-dnc-campaign-finance-laws-222102

[Bubzer]

89. Excellent! Take em to task Brad Deutsch!

[Renew Deal]

85. Weaver and co are republican enablers

[Bubzer]

88. David Brock and co are republican enablers.

[islandmkl]

93. the Clintons have always been Republicans..the (D) was just window dressing..

and too many people didn't look past the (D)...

she would make Ronald Reagan proud...nothing he would have enjoyed more than a Democrat pursuing his agenda...

[tomm2thumbs]

95. not just Republicans but Goldwater Republicans

and proud of it

[cui bono]

98. Hillary IS a Republican based on her policy stances.

[reddread]

110. and campaigning

unless real Democrats would bargain away women's rights?
she wants the pro-life vote, among others.
too bad.

[Jitter65]

94. Trump II. nt