Stunning attack on Sanders

[HassleCat]

Some people are parsing the Sanders tax returns and trying to make an issue of anything and everything they find. Basically, Bernie's tax returns illustrate that he lives like most middle class Americans, but he's being cast as a "millionaire" and whacked about the head and shoulders for taking a mortgage deduction, and so on, and so on. This is from people who claim to be Democrats people who should recognize what it means to live on a middle class income, people who should know the difference between how rich people live and how the rest of us live. The most significant thing is the way they use these attacks to deflect attention from the fact that one of our candidates is a real, actual multimillionaire, lives the life of a rich person, hobnobs with the rich and famous, has a big foundation as a sideline, does business favors for wealthy friends, all the typical stuff. This is so much like the attacks on John Kerry, where a genuine war hero was portrayed as a phony.

[Buzz Clik]

1. It is stunning. I am so stunned, I may never recover.

It's like King Kong stepped on me like a cigarette butt.

Or the Hulk just flung me into a brick wall.

The kind of stunned you feel when sticking your tongue in a live wall socket.

Queen Elizabeth just told me she's having my baby, Yes, that kind of stunned.

[JonLeibowitz]

2. Were you posting here to show exempli gratia a poster who enjoys the described

Rovian character assassination? If so, well done!

[questionseverything]

7. he posts to distract

so bernie took a 23,000 mi deduction

and a 15,000 property tax deduction

http://taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/a81ffa04b09bf63e85256e4100705e33/07e13291870d475885257e93007b1015/$FILE/HR_Clinton_2014.pdf

page 3 shows what hc took

[questionseverything]

14. hc- mi=41,883 & pt 104,303

one thing i am curious about

are ny state property taxes that much lower than vermont because

while clintons paid 7 times more pt than the sanders i am pretty sure their home is worth quite a bit more than 7 times as much

[Buzz Clik]

10. Just ridiculing the whole "stunned" thing. Wasn't that obvious?

But I am curious about the "character assassination" thing. Whose character was I assassinating?

[JonLeibowitz]

23. I said you as a poster frequently engage in character assassination. i did not say you did so here

[Buzz Clik]

28. Without bothering to give an example, you accuse me of character assassination.

I rarely if ever attack the character of posters, though I have no problem attacking their ideas with great enthusiasm.

Do you find it ironic that your accusation is a form of character assassination?

[Bluenorthwest]

32. You are your own expample: Posts hidden by Jury: 7

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=136510&sub=trans

[JonLeibowitz]

34. Character assassination on the candidates -- nowhere did I say you attacked other posters.

Also, what Bluenorthwest said.

[Buzz Clik]

35. Well, that should even be easier: What have I said about Sanders to assassinate his charcacter?

[JonLeibowitz]

38. Not trying to get into a back and forth. DU readers know what I am talking about.

Also, your transparency page is revealing.

[Buzz Clik]

41. *major eye roll* Ok, boss.

[HassleCat]

43. What stuns me

People who say they are Democrats, but are willing to accept the idea that someone who is a middle class person is gaming the system because he pays a lower effective tax rate than a multi-millionaire. The mental gymnastics required to reach a rationalization seem stunning. To me, at least. I realize many Democrats have adjusted themselves to this, even become enthusiastic participants.

[itsrobert]

3. Have to agree with you. You make an excellent case of Hillary not to release any transcripts

thank you for your honesty.

[HassleCat]

44. She should hold firm.

The contents of the transcripts would be too much for some of her fans, those with some shred of integrity remaining.

[Stallion]

4. Bernie Is Surely a Millionaire or Horrible at Handling Money

middle class my ass. I think I saw he was in the upper 6% or so

[jmg257]

6. I'll take "B" for $500K*.

*his averaged net worth

[Stallion]

11. This Recent Analysis Puts Net Worth at $800,000.00 Confirming he is Horrible at Handling Money

but throw in free medical care and sweet Congressional Pension, two homes valued over at $1.05 Million he is doing better than I bet 92%+ of Americans

Note Also:

"The personal asset disclosure forms do not list properties held by Bernie and Jane Sanders, which include a home in the Washington D.C. neighborhood of Capitol Hill where the median home price is roughly $726,000 and a home in Vermont that realtor.com values at approximately $320,000."

"The campaign asset disclosure does not include the Sanders household's 2015 after tax income -- which would have been in the neighborhood of $180,000 assuming it were similar to the family's tax filing in 2014."


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/17/what-is-bernie-sanders-net-worth.aspx

[jmg257]

18. And this one at $528K. Either way, agreed he could be doing much better.

http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/

"In August of 2015, Bernie Sanders reported net worth assets at a minimum of $187,026 and a max of $759,004. Sanders also owns a condominium in Vermont valued at about $100,000. He has debts of at least $25,002 and as much as $65,000.

Figuring Sanders’ maximum possible debt and minimum possible assets gives a minimum possible Bernie Sanders net worth of $222,026. Figuring lowest possible debt and highest possible assets gives a net worth a high as $769,002. Combining average assets with average debt gives an average Bernie Sanders net worth of $528,014."

[Stallion]

20. Yeah But as I Noted-those Disclousures Don't Include real Estate and Other Things

plus it looks like he's set up for a retirement pension in the $80,000 per year range due to his tenure in the Senate-I wished I had that coming to me

[jmg257]

42. Get a job in the public sector, maybe you can!

[Octafish]

40. Two speeches.

To banksters.

[JonLeibowitz]

25. So damned if he is, damned if he isn't ?

What was he supposed to do, turn down the salary of being a Representative and Senator?

Maybe he donates to charity.

[Kip Humphrey]

5. everyone making 10.42/hr for their entire working life (48 years) allowing for 2 weeks vacation/year

will make a $1,000,000 in their lifetime. By the logic of the hit piece against Bernie, EVERY WORKING PERSON will be a millionaire! Yeah!!!

[msongs]

8. gee didja see the menu on his personal flight to rome? perfect chow for the oligarchy crowd nt

[CentralCoaster]

12. Why don't you share that with us? nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. He sure ate Hillary's lunch,

didn't he?

[onecaliberal]

9. Fuck every last one of them. They're not democrats.

[pdsimdars]

13. As Obama said to Romney. . . . "Proceed"

I think they only do damage to Hillary. It is obvious how petty and ridiculous they are being. . . let them proceed . . . the public has shown a remarkable ability to know there is a difference between Bernie Sanders and their BS.

Just look at the polls, she keeps going down in likeability, trustworthiness and even the election polls. The more mud they fling the dirtier THEY get.

[Lone_Wolf]

15. I'm sure Bernie would be the first to admit he lived in a time when people could get ahead

Nowadays, it's difficult for many people to get ahead and build up a nest egg thanks to the Republicans and New "Third Way" Democrats.

[MFM008]

16. He released ONE year

The year hes been running for president, all neat and tidy,
If HRC had done that Sanders supporters would not be contented at ALL.
How about as many years as she has released?
Because he doesnt want to show all those donations to the NRA, or whatever hes hiding.

[Tarc]

19. "make an issue of anything and everything they find"

This coming from the crew that is getting on Hillary's case today over hot sauce is beyond ironic.

[VulgarPoet]

21. So can we call this "Taxboating" yet? nt

[whatchamacallit]

22. They're deceitful scoundrels, just like their queen

I will never join them.

[achsadu]

24. Sanders can't do any wrong?

I have a real problem with Sanders' supporters who seem to accept every syllable he utters without any scrutiny. Yes, he's an "outsider" in the year of the outsiders, even though he's been in Congress (Senate) for almost all of his adult life; yes, he's consistent etc. etc. But why can't we look at what he has to say (and offer) without being bombarded by negative comments? Bernie(to me) is a one trick pony who repeats the message ad nauseam without offering any specifics about how he's going to accomplish any of his ideas. How will he work with a Rep. Congress (I can't see the R's losing their congressional majority any time soon) that impeded Obama's every single step. Is there some magical potion he'll use that will make them change their tactics? And in any case, what exactly is he going to do about foreign policy outside of his opposition to Netanyahu (which I applaud)? It's a big bad world out there and he may have the "instincts" for it all but where are the plans? Going to Rome on a whim? What was that about? I'm tired of all politicians who promise "pie in the sky" and "cleaning up the mess" without telling us exactly how they're going to do it.

achsa.

[djean111]

29. Well, he could never be as corrupt and lying as Hillary.

Good enough for me!

Oh, and he does have plans, they are available - and what I see of Hillary's plans - I figure we would be in for war, fracking, the TPP, the start of Third Way slashing at Social Security - just for a start.
Not with my vote or support.

[All in it together]

30. Feelthebern.org and berniesanders.com

If you haven't had enough info yet.
He went to the Vatican because he was invited and he this this pope is doing a lot of good. He's worked with congress and knows the games really well. By being more objective in Israel instead of backing whatever Netanyahu wants, like Hillary, gives the process a chance.
His secret sauce is that he needs us to get things done and to take the democracy back from moneyed interests.

You knew all this anyway, didn't you?

[Sheepshank]

26. you don't think they are trying to do the same with Clinton's returns

and not why do you think they are all screeching for the transcripts if not for trying to parse words and make an issue of everything they find?

[djean111]

27. Bernie just never grifted like the Clintons. Looks like they have it down to an art.

If this is all they got - besides manufactured illogical outrage about what he believes in - then good.

And whinging about Bernie's net worth - next to Hillary's - I don't even see the logic in that. That is as stupid as it gets, folks.
Worshiping someone with such an incredible amount of money, and ragging on Bernie? What is the point? Do they really think that Bernie's supporters hate money?

Also, I have to say I am all out of fucks to give about the ""I have a problem with Bernie because bullshit bullshit bullshit, etc.".
No one really cares. You are just here to do a little and pointless hit job. Doesn't matter one iota.

[bigwillq]

31. Oh, boo hoo. That's politics.

Imagine if Bernie is the nominee? It will only get worse.

[FlatBaroque]

33. One of the benefits of a healthy Ignore list

is not having to watch the flinging of the poo. Just sayin.

[ibegurpard]

36. No one cares about this

Everyone knows a multi millionaire with a shady foundation calling out a guy's taxes who makes far less is completely ridiculous.

[senz]

37. Don't sound like Democrats. Must be corporate filth defending one of their own.

Yeah, Trump/Cruz supporters, yeah ... that's gotta be it ...

[passiveporcupine]

39. And you forgot

Owns two multi-million dollar homes and I'm quite sure she writes off her mortgage interest deductions just like the rest of us.

Shaking head here...I can't believe this place.