2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Democrats are going to nominate an abortion-hedging, LGBT-come lately, war-mongering, anti-black?
LOL, ok.
What can anyone reasonably say? This is the candidate the party is offering us as their ideal. Citizens United? pfft. Gay people? Well, she kind of got on board after the rest of the country did. Abortion? We can apparently quibble. The AA community? Why aren't most of them in jail yet? universal health care? Some sort of leftist plot.
And this is the best the DNC can do. This is their "Take her or leave her"
When millions leave, don't blame it on them. Don't be all, "If only everyone Hillary alienated had voted!" because that's just stupid.
She may be the nominee. She may even be the President. But the Republican Congress awaiting her, ohhh, that's your fault.
LonePirate
(13,425 posts)Not sure why your auto-correct changes Republican to Democrat, though.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)families have been destroyed because fathers, uncles brothers and sisters are now in prison (mostly because they were minority or mixed minority like me), and those placed into deep poverty or homelessness when welfare was ended (replaced with a temporary and inadequate joke of a safety net), and others, besides those not specified in the OP or by me and all just in our party whose "enthusiasm" is dampened by her (another way of saying not motivated to make a great turn out for her).
Not to mention a candidate that most of the largest block of voters (I) see in a well quantified and polled way as dishonest, corrupt and unlikable.
These factors and more I believe will mean very low turnout for Clinton voters which will harm us in both branches of Congress leading to more Republicans in both branches, if she even wins with all the Republicans that will show up just to hate vote against her.
This is my take on the reality the poster you replied to sees, a reality that should be so plain as to be biting you on the nose right now.
LonePirate
(13,425 posts)The doom and gloom spiel does not work.
I also find it funny how supposedly Republicans will turn out in force to vote against Hillary but reasonable people of any political stripe won't turn out to prevent Trump or the even worse Cruz from being elected. I guess Larry Sabato is off his rocker with his regular Congressional race predictions of Dems gaining seats in both houses.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Another tip, after reviewing your posts, you do not appear to represent your avatar, but spend your posts against Sanders' supporters.
What is the deal with that?
Autumn
(45,107 posts)LonePirate
(13,425 posts)I didn't question the bulk of your post which I have no quibbles with whatsoever. However, if I see something weird or something which I don't think is true, I respond.
As for my avatar, I voted for him. I support him even if some of his followers are prone to saying things I disagree with or are false such as Congress becoming redder even though Larry Sabato, perhaps the foremost congressional prognosticator, says otherwise.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/
Look at the blue entries under the Republicans heading and then compare that to the number of red entries under the Democrats heading. That's a bluer Congress. Now if you can prove that you're more authoritative on the subject than Sabato, by all means I will listen to what you have to say.
If a Hillary supporter had made the same claim and I had seen it, I would have responded the same way. My loyalty is to the truth and reality and not to supporters of either candidate, not even to the ones who support the same candidate as I do.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)ever come this close to nominating.
Why the disconnect between the grassroots who does not like or trust Hillary at historic levels versus the establishment who prefers Hillary to Carter 1976 or Mondale 1984 or Dukakis 1988 or Bill 1992 or Gore 2000 or Kerry 2004 or Obama 2008?
Look at the size of Hillary's historically record setting endorsement lead:
(This graph is a bit out of date as it shows Hillary's advantage heading into the Iowa caucus, and this graph omits several recent Sanders endorsements, but it generally shows the size of Hillary's advantage at the outset).
Given this historically large advantage among the establishment wing of the party, a healthy candidate would have capitalized on this advantage to have locked this election away months ago.
Obviously, the race is not locked away. Here is a graph of all of the Ipsos/Reuters national polls:
Here is a graph of all of the McClatchy/Marist polling:
Here is a graph of the Bloomberg/Selzer polling:
This should be a huge concern. Hillary's weakness is not without explanation. Here are graphs of her favorable vs. unfavorable ratings and her trustworthy rating AMONG DEMOCRATS (and bear in mind almost no independents or moderate Republicans like or trust Hillary):
DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE WE COULD NOMINATE A HISTORICALLY DISLIKED AND DISTRUSTED CANDIDATE WITHOUT THERE BEING CONSEQUENCES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION?
HILLARY HAS BATTLED FROM A HISTORICALLY LARGE ADVANTAGE TO A CURRENT TIE IN THE POLLING, AND HER CAMPAIGN NEVER PREDICTED THIS - WHAT HAS THIS CAMPAIGN DONE TO ASSURE YOU THAT HER CONFIDENCE ABOUT THE GENERAL ELECTION IS NOT EQUALLY UNJUSTIFIED?
We're going to nominate Hillary Clinton.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Those two by far. Chaffee, Sanders, then Webb to round out the rest. Webb almost took second to last for his thoughts on reforming the prison system.
mcar
(42,334 posts)But I thought O'Malley was a very good candidate who didn't get enough attention. I hope we see him again in the political arena.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I believe his resume, personality, and progressive stances make him perfect to head up the DNC.
The thing for me with him dropping out is that I love Clinton. Probably the best I have ever felt after my candidate of choice dropped out.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)however - American workers will see declines in employment and wages.
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