Wouldn't you have thought Hillary would have bowed out before NY?

[silvershadow]

What an embarrassment it must be to limp into your home state, not only to have been contested, but to be losing ever so slowly (I be some even think painfully) to your opponent? She should have switched to the Republican party as soon as Bernie jumped in, just to have had a chance. Had she done that, she might have saved the Republican party. Musing aside, though, I bet those pledged Superdelegates are having internal angst at having pledged so early. It would make so much more sense not to have a delegate system in a "Democracy", but that's what we have, so it all come down to persuasion, and these "elections" we have are just window dressing.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Yeah, she's getting her clock cleaned. No idea what keeps her going.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. she is losing the popular vote, the super delegate vote, the delegate count

the black vote, the gay vote, the hispanic vote etc.

oh wait. no, no she's not.

[Buzz Clik]

4. Hm. That's hardly consistent with the OP.

[rock]

7. Maybe she made a mistake

No, she didn't!

[Beacool]

40. Don't forget the Catholic vote, the Jewish vote, the Protestant vote......

Damn, poor Hillary, she's hanging to her lead by a hair.

[silvershadow]

3. If she make is to the general, she will crawl on stage, legs dangling behind her.

MSNBC just reported the dissatisfaction numbers with Hillary and Trump. Both are in the tank, Hillary's was 63% wouldn't vote for her in a general election. I believe it, too.

[brooklynite]

5. Except that Trump's is even worse.

...and polling has also pointed out that Democrats are happy to have Clinton as nominee, regardless of whom they voted for.

[silvershadow]

8. That's why the Clintons convinced him to jump int. That's what they counted on. Triangulation. nt

[dchill]

29. I REALLY don't think Trump will be their nominee.

He's gotta be sabotaging his own campaign. Doesn't he?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. if by that you mean she'll win by a large margin of delegates both pledged and super

and the popular vote, you are right. if you mean something else, you are wrong.

[silvershadow]

9. Bernie isn't going to convention to win concessions she won't abide by anyway, he's

going to win. So, while plausible, your scenario is unlikely.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. lol. we'll see. nt

[silvershadow]

14. :D (I have stay positive and focused). nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. staying positive and deriding your opponent are really not the same thing.

especially when your derision is not in the least bit rooted in any factual evidence.

[silvershadow]

16. Except, than in my particular case, I can't stand her. I cannot promise to vote for her,

either, though I will cross that bridge when I get to it. I very well may be leaving my own party in deference to the interlopers.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. that's your perogative, but your facts about her limping to victory is innacurate

she holds a lead in the pledged delegate count, popular vote, super delegate count. She is winning with demographics that are key to democratic victory in the general. She is winning states that look like the democratic party.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-is-winning-the-states-that-look-like-the-democratic-party/

HRC has been in the democratic party a very long time, as have her supporters. They are not the interlopers.

Vote for whomever you want, but if you factual arguments, you should maybe try to back them up with some actual facts.

[silvershadow]

19. They are, in FACT, interlopers. I've been in the party longer than she. I've been more

supportive of labor than she. And finally, she is "Third Way". DLC. Our supposed band-aid to something better. We are hemorrhaging in the real world, and need more than platitudes. Your insinuation that she is a "real" Democrat is patently offensive to me. Hence, my possible leaving the party.

[Baobab]

20. Hillary could not give Bernie the concessions he wants

They all all blocked by Bill's 1995 trade deal!

[Hortensis]

23. Lol. This is a long post for busy "Silvershadow."

I think you should give it the serious consideration such investment of time deserves. I'm unable to guess which will inspire more responses -- phony window dressing elections, corrupt superdelegate system, or Hillary as closet Republican message?

They're all demoralizing, disheartening allegations that I'm so afraid might hit Sanders supporters especially hard. Gee, what if they decided not to vote in November in despair at such a filthy dirty Democratic system?

[Waiting For Everyman]

10. I think some of the supers pledged early so they could switch

later and say, 'I supported you as long as I could'. That way, hoping to avoid the Clinton Hit List up until the nomination.

I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of them intend to switch later in the process but before the convention, especially once the FBI has its say. I think she is toast then, indicted or not. And I don't see a lot of supers wanting to go down in flames with her, for no reason.

[silvershadow]

13. Ah, now that makes sense. Thanks! edited*

on edit: I forgot about the whole blackmail aspect of the nasty Super Delegate system.

[HereSince1628]

11. Her southern firewall is STILL holding! Indeed, it's the only reason she's near the lead at all.

Why should she quit? She hasn't been indicted yet.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. IL, MA, OH, IA are not in the south

[HereSince1628]

25. Point being without the south where would she be?

The difference made by her initial southern wins is what holds her up.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. without caucuses where would sanders be? without moving to an alternate reality

with no south and no caucuses, guess we'll each never know.

[jwirr]

30. And Iowa was not a win in the sense that most of us see

wins. Especially when there were questions about the voting process.

[Punkingal]

33. Nevada also. Another one of those mysterious winning exit polls, but losing the election.

[jwirr]

34. In VERY close elections.

[KingFlorez]

21. Sanders should have dropped out after March 15th

You'd think he would have wised up after falling so far behind in the delegate count.

[silvershadow]

22. You mean just when he started winning? I bet you all wish he had, by then we were all talking

about just how this would all play out, and it has. Remember, he came in saying "all the way to convention" and I still believe him. Don't you?

[KingFlorez]

36. Still far behind in the delegate count

It makes no sense to suggest that the leading candidate should drop out, but it makes a lot of sense for the trailing candidate to drop out.

[silvershadow]

37. She is tanking before our eyes, and everyone knows it. Her trend lines are steadily down,

Bernie's are the polar opposite. The party would indeed be foolish to ignore it, though they are certainly at liberty to.

[KingFlorez]

38. Ok

[senz]

24. Now I think you knew they couldn't resist a challenge like this, silvershadow

It's like dragging chum through waters infested with large aquatic predators.

Now you got 'em, what are you going to do with 'em?

[silvershadow]

31. Counsel them?

[nichomachus]

27. But it's not her home state

She parachuted in with her carpet bags and bought a senate seat.

[silvershadow]

32. And delivered almost nothing, actually. nt

[Beacool]

41. Coughh.....ahem....cough.....Sanders is not from VT.

[Tarc]

28. Since when did Camp Sanders start channeling Baghdad Bob?

[pdsimdars]

35. Come on, the answer to that is obvious. . . she has ALWAYS shown poor judgement

[Beacool]

39. There seems to be a lack of oxygen in the parallel world that some here seem to inhabit.

Are you for real????? She's ahead by any measure and, barring some unforeseen event, will be the nominee.

[silvershadow]

42. Exhibit A:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511771672

I rest my case.

[Beacool]

45. It's all about the pledged delegates.

It's not high school. Popularity means squat if less people vote for you and you end up with less pledged delegates.

[silvershadow]

46. No actually its all about the general election. Anything short of that is political malpractice.

But most importantly, did you see those staggering charts? It is unmistakeable.

[Demsrule86]

43. Absolutely not.

She has beaten Sanders...and he most likely knows it.

[silvershadow]

44. if that truly is the case

if that truly is the case, Then she will go onto a general election loss