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factfinder_77

(841 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:59 PM Apr 2016

Sanders independents are white, male, high earners and have less postive view of Obama

In part, Sanders’s support among independent leaners is a product of the demographics of his coalition generally. Among Democrats and independents who lean Democratic, the independent leaners are more likely to be male, white and higher-income — and at the same time, they have less positive views of President Obama.3 In short, the demographics and attitudes that tend to predict being an independent who leans Democratic are those that predict Sanders support.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/

So why is Sanders doing so well among independents? It appears to be driven not by their ideology so much as their dislike of partisan politics

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Sanders independents are white, male, high earners and have less postive view of Obama (Original Post) factfinder_77 Apr 2016 OP
well looky there, nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
Let's make sure they don't vote D in November, eh? JackRiddler Apr 2016 #5
Hillary WINS!! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #2
Do Hillary 'independents' even exist? AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #3
No. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #8
Nothing like more unity from HRC oriented folks. Independents are so because they think for roguevalley Apr 2016 #21
"Self Identified" OriginalGeek Apr 2016 #4
I was always considered a moderate here, until I didn't support Hillary... ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #10
A packer fan in Texas fighting for abortion rights OriginalGeek Apr 2016 #16
I hear you, I thought that I was a Democrat.... daleanime Apr 2016 #12
yep, not what I signed up for back in the day. OriginalGeek Apr 2016 #18
$$$$$$$$$$? daleanime Apr 2016 #22
That does not bode well for Hillary. basselope Apr 2016 #6
actually it helps Hillary... factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #11
And fewer voter.... daleanime Apr 2016 #14
LOL... no. basselope Apr 2016 #15
Icky boy germs! We want them to vote for the other guys! n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #7
And EVIL..... daleanime Apr 2016 #9
LOL. Who ever came up with that is an idiot. Skwmom Apr 2016 #13
Thank goodness the white vote isn't needed to win elections Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #17
Aw, damn. ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #19
Except for those who are not white males artislife Apr 2016 #20
and.... lmbradford Apr 2016 #23

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
8. No.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

And just like with the unsecured server and the implications of the FBI investigation, her supporters have their heads in the sands about what having virtual NO Independent support will mean in the general election.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
21. Nothing like more unity from HRC oriented folks. Independents are so because they think for
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:32 PM
Apr 2016

themselves and know what they want. that they don't want her in historic numbers is illuminating.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
4. "Self Identified"
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:11 PM
Apr 2016

Not sure if it means much when people are describing themselves. I always thought of myself as a strong democrat but not if it means I have to support Hillary.

I was an independent for about 5 seconds in the early 80s when I was breaking out of my family's conservative christian politics. It soon became clear to me that the Dems were what I believed in. Not so sure of that any more. At any rate, I voted for Bernie in my state's primary. We'll see what happens.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
10. I was always considered a moderate here, until I didn't support Hillary...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

Hell, I'm not even considered a feminist by many even though I spend actual hours helping out at a women's shelter and spending money here in TX to fight for abortion rights. Meh...

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
16. A packer fan in Texas fighting for abortion rights
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

Universe bless ya! That can't be an easy row to hoe. You've got my respect - and I'm a Cowboys fan.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
12. I hear you, I thought that I was a Democrat....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

now I told that that must include being pro-war, pro-big business, and being willing to limit our democracy.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
18. yep, not what I signed up for back in the day.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

No idea how it happened. I guess because pragmatism. But why do we liberals always gotta pragmatize? Why, "to get things done" do WE have to give up everything?

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
11. actually it helps Hillary...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

Nationwide, 46 percent of people who call themselves weak Democrats were formally registered with the Democratic Party. Among those who call themselves independents who lean Democratic, the number is just 15 percent. (Looking at only states with closed primaries:5 74 percent of weak Democrats are registered Democrats, and 33 percent of independents who lean Democratic are.) So in states with closed primaries, a critical bloc of Sanders’s supporters must re-register as Democrats before they are eligible to back him in the primaries. As the primary calendar switches to northeastern states, which tend to have closed primaries, that helps Clinton substantially. In New York, for instance, the deadline to change parties was back in October.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
15. LOL... no.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

The fact that she has such weak support with democrat leaning independents is devastating. She has no appeal to REAL independents.

This is the essence of the enthusiasm gap and the reason she has no real chance of winning in November.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
17. Thank goodness the white vote isn't needed to win elections
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary might be in trouble if that was the case.

ridgenvalley

(58 posts)
19. Aw, damn.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

This 60 year old white former Indie Bernie supporting grandma is starting to feel left out. Guess I'll have to switch to HRC.
Like, NEVER.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
20. Except for those who are not white males
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

Your woman isn't going back to the White House.


She is not liked enough by the nation at large.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
23. and....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:19 PM
Apr 2016

Old native american/european/german women like me.

African american women

Young people of all labels.

Can we quit with identity politics and focus on issues. That is what Sanders voters do.

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