2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPretty sure Bernie just unofficially conceded NY...
Think that pretty much wraps up NY!
From Matt McDermott:
Sanders campaign leaving NY tonight. Clinton campaign holding primary party tomorrow night in Times Square. Tells you all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/722199527776788480
George II
(67,782 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,984 posts)I would get lost there in a New York minute.
George II
(67,782 posts)....he hasn't lived there since 1968 and Hillary Clinton has lived in New York almost as long as he did.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,984 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....which might as well be NYC, then lived in White Plains (ditto) from 1985 to 1988.
I now live about 90 minutes northeast of Manhattan, we get down there often.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Yeah Hillary! A convenietn stepping stone to the White House. Though there is a tradition to uphold.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hillary Clinton has been living in New York for about 16 years.
I can remember campaigning for Bobby Kennedy for Senator in New York. He got a lot of grief for being a carpetbagger, too, but he was a great New York Senator (a hell of a lot better than Al D'Amato or Jim Buckley!)
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)would be that Sanders had no choice in being from NY. And as soon as he was old enough to have a choice, he got the F out of there. That shows his allegiance to NY.
Hillary could have gone anywhere in the world. She chose to make NY her home. That shows her allegiance to NY.
Tomorrow the people of NY will show *their* allegiance. Apparently Sanders knows he's about to get ravaged by the voters, as he's already skipped out of "his home town" while Hillary has decided to stay and hang out. Which also shows the candidates' allegiance to the state.
appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)and it was my sole, solid foundation for life, like with many people. The ties remain, nothing can erase experiences, especially the early formative ones.
George II
(67,782 posts)appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, Senator Bernie Sanders and James Madison High School
James Madison High School Alumni Association Wall of Distinction 2008 Honorees: Sid Ganis '57; Paul Krinsky '46; Robert Hasselkorn '52; Bernie Sanders '59 -
~ "The Fact That You Grow Up In Brooklyn, You Can Pretty Much Face Anything" ~
BROOKLYN SCHOOL BOASTS FAMOUS GRADUATES IN WASHINGTON, by Helena Andrews, Politico, Jan. 21, 2007.
BROOKLYN, N.Y. -- In every high school there are reliable main characters: the cheerleader, the jock, the outsider and, naturally, the valedictorian. But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a twirler? Sen. Bernie Sanders, a track superstar? And Sen. Norm Coleman, a Vietnam protester? All three along with "head of the class" Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., attended James Madison High School in Brooklyn. Madison is most likely the only alma mater that can boast three sitting U.S. senators -- a Republican, a Democrat and an Independent, along with a Supreme Court justice -- in the pages of its yearbook.
"When Ruth Bader Ginsburg was at Madison -- of course, you're quite familiar with the look that she cultivates -- would you believe that she was cheerleader?" said Steve Slavin, a 1959 Madison graduate, referring to the now-bookish-looking Supreme Court justice. Sandy Roche, class of 1950, couldn't believe it. That is, until she cracked the spine of her old yearbook. "It says she was twirler, so I guess she was a cheerleader. Oh my goodness," said Roche who knew Ginsburg, also class of 1950, by her nickname, Kiki. Roche and others from her time remembered Ginsburg as "very popular and attractive."
Slavin, who ran track with Rep. Sanders, I-Vt. -- "one of the best runners in the city" -- shared a story he thought spoke to the character of the self-declared socialist even then. In those days when two runners from one school competed, they would almost always finish together. "Bernie had already won a few races, and this other guy had never won a race in his life," Slavin explained. "So the two of them were finishing together, and Bernie just pushed him ahead and let him finish first. "I mean, that's the kind of guy he was," said Slavin, now an economist who still lives in Brooklyn. "Never boastful, and he had a lot to boast about." The two were even roommates at Brooklyn College, "living hand-to-mouth on a lot of meatballs and spaghetti," according to Slavin. (Sanders later transferred to the University of Chicago, where he earned his B.A. in 1964.)
Madison honors notable alums every year; the list includes several authors, Nobel laureates, Rhodes scholars, opera singers and, of course, Washington's political elite. Founded in 1925, Madison was one of the first large public high schools in the borough, located on historic Bedford Avenue, which runs through Brooklyn from Greenpoint to Sheepshead Bay. And like any New Yorker, most Madison alums had an opinion on why the school turns out so many big names -- street smarts. "It really gave them an advantage and ability to deal with the real world," said 1953 graduate Dick Kossoff, chairman of Madison's "Wall of Distinction." Gogliormella's take on it: "The fact that if you grow up in Brooklyn, you can pretty much face anything." Roche agreed that being "from the neighborhood" made the difference. "It was an immigrant neighborhood," she said. "I think every family felt this was their opportunity. I think for most of us growing up, working hard in school was the most important thing you could do."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2007/01/brooklyn-school-boasts-famous-graduates-in-washington-002377
James Madison High School Alumni Association, THE WALL OF DISTINCTION, http://www.jamesmadisonalumni.org/wall.html
~ Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Supreme Court Justice
~Chris Rock, Comedian, Actor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280163788
George II
(67,782 posts)....and accomplished people.
I also went to college (he was in my home room class) with a Nobel Prize winner.
appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)Studious, average, fun..?
George II
(67,782 posts)....that they'd ever be famous. But it makes for good bragging points at a cocktail party!
appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)wife I've met; she was my sister's doctor for a while. Smart, elegant woman to be sure.
Maru Kitteh
(28,723 posts)One that was dubbed a must-win for him.
http://correctrecord.org/27-times-previewing-bernies-we-will-win-tuesday/
pangaia
(24,324 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)She lives in fucking mansion in Westchester.
Actually she just leaves her carpet bag there.
George II
(67,782 posts)...Burlington is in Vermont.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)My statement stands.
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George II
(67,782 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)SCantiGOP
(14,107 posts)You guys need to decide if you really think Bernie is a super-hero or the reincarnation of St Francis of Assisi.
panader0
(25,816 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)thesquanderer
(12,241 posts)And really, Illinois doesn't ooze out of Hillary the way Brooklyn oozes out of Bernie. I guess it's one of those things, you can take the guy out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the brooklyn out of the guy...
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Hillary is the new kid in town who lived there for 6 months before running for Senate to represent Wall Street.
Anyone who thinks that Hillary has closer ties to NY than Bernie just because she took Wall Street money is either dishonest or just blind...
Bleacher Creature
(11,360 posts)He hasn't had a realistic path to the nomination since March 15. If he doesn't realize it's all over after tomorrow, I'm not sure he ever will.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And he has support and money.
What's her justification for continuing knowing 30 percent of Dems won't support her and hardly any Independents will vote for her in the general election?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he has already reduced her pd lead to under 200. we still have ca or and a number of states left.
he has plenty of money and promised his supporters he will fight till the convention.
fortunately, he does not need to justify to you or anyone else why he stays in. it is his right and his choice.
appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that was tried on march 1 march 15, and other important voting days. the longer bernie stays in the more delegates he gets and the more obvious it becomes that the corrupt estsblishment is propping a losing candidate.
they want him out so ms inevitable does not have to look so weak in comparison.
not gonna happen
appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)who has been declining steadily in favorability for good reason for months.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)And yes, tomorrow they will split the delegates, roughly 139-108. Up to 40+ lead, and next Tuesday that will increase to about 70.
But increasing the lead isn't as important and the fact that as each week passes there are less delegates available for him to win to close the lead.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)that number was based on a misunderstanding of a 6 point difference and someone took 6 from HRC and gave 6 to Bernie, which would be a 12 point difference.
The real number is 202 or 206, depending on the source you believe. But it's not 194.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)The lead is not under 200 (that was an error based on giving both of them a 6 point differential when it was 6 between them). It's 202 or 206, depending on the number you believe.
15% of ALL remaining delegates are up for grabs tomorrow. A further 25% of ALL remaining delegates are being won a week from today - and Sanders is down by double digits in 3 of those races.
A week from now he will be down 250-300 delegates with 1,000 delegates left on the table. The only 2 big states (which make up 70% of all remaining delegates after next week) are NJ and CA. He's way (WAY) down in NJ. But even if he ties here in NJ... that means he needs to beat her by about 40% in California to get the nomination.
Except he's trailing in California. Beating her in CA by 70 to 30 is just not realistic. It's just not going to happen.
If he loses tomorrow, he's toast. Well, he's already been toast, but he will be undeniably toast.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)Yes she hopes to win and use that win as the basis to announce that the race is essentially over. Even if Bernie wins NY however he can not rest. There are a slew of contests next Tuesday - he has to keep doing fairly well next week also to keep hope alive. So he will be in moving on to campaign, he's done that on election night every time in recent weeks.
They are both simply doing what it makes sense for them to do.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Unusually confident.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)However Sanders does not show that he is conceding New York through his actions. I believe Clinton thinks she can count on at lest a narrow win, and she will use Any win by Any margin to try to slam the door on Sanders in a very public way.
But we will all know soon enough. This year has had more than its share of surprises already
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and how he doesn't need to win here.
Sanders people really played this primary up a couple of weeks ago, hyped it.
Maybe not a good move.
Maru Kitteh
(28,723 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)What I read said 'a primary party in Times Square'. That means big shin dig for campaign folks. Since when do they do rallies in Times Square at all?
George II
(67,782 posts)He's stayed in some states on primary night, but those were states that he wound up winning.
Funny how that works.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Bernie can do it anywhere.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Sanders isn't as successful at that.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)about whether the last 7 represent a sea change in the fortunes of Sanders or just were several demographically-friendly states in a row will be answered tomorrow.
I think most agree what the answer will be. But Sanders needs it to be a blow-out in his favor.
virtualobserver
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Godhumor
(6,437 posts)You don't leave the second biggest delegate total state the night before the primary, especially when, if you won it, it means you have completely overturned the establishment apple cart.
Hillary is planning a party, in Times Square no less, because she expects a big margin of victory even before voting happens. Sanders is moving on for exactly the same reason.
Unlike the Clintons, he doesn't feel the need to bug the shit out of working people trying to vote and leave.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)It's easy to expect a win after the Democratic voter rolls have been conveniently purged of those who may not support her.
It's just amazing how every single fuckup (and this year seems to be a record year) benefits HRC.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)By whom? And how did they know which voters would vote for Bernie? Do you have a link?
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)With the voter irregularities? Granted I'm NOT blaming Clinton, likely Republicans but shit like this could bite her ass in the general and she doesn't seem to care. That's damning.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)how voter rolls were supposedly purged in New York, and specifically of Bernie supporters.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)You haven't seen the links being shared around about checking to make sure your registration is correct so you can vote in the primaries in NY and CA?
I heard one person call up Thom from CA talking about being a registered Dem. for YEARS upon YEARS only to find their status was changed to Independent and I keep hearing you can find many others. Hillary should be fighting this bs tool and nail but last I heard she was late to the table on the Arizona case ffs. She came in AFTER Sanders.
Taking advantage of ruling Republicans who may have done this to get her the nomination or as a test run for the election...she's putting herself at extreme risk if she gets the nom. for not reacting soon enough to these problems.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I'm not a blithering idiot. It is clear that some Independents tried to vote in some of these places. It is also clear, that some legitimate Democratic voters were not registered, either due to negligence, or to GOP shenanigans.
What is NOT clear, is how Hillary supposedly managed to get these states to specifically target Bernie supporters. Because that is the charge coming from Bernie supporters. I want proof. And some kind of logical explanation of how the hell they could possibly identify Bernie supporters from among Democratic primary voters. Otherwise this is just another smear against Hillary. I'm very tired of the innuendos and conspiracy theories.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I hope to see it popped tomorrow. If not, I know Bernie is still in the fight and fighting to win.
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)What we should read into it is that there's nothing more to do in New York but many other states remain to be won.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)So, nyah.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I'm told this is why it hasn't all been released yet.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Maybe they are headed to Vermont so Jane can finally finish this year's taxes.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Got it!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)MFM008
(19,960 posts)just cant do it.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Could be then end.. finally.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He is even leaving early before the polls open. Why wouldn't he be out and about shaking hands and kissing babies?
He's given up on NY.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its huge.. if he loses big here its pretty much over... if he wins here.. its game on.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)as it will be fairly close in NY
floriduck
(2,262 posts)appalachiablue
(42,393 posts)CATCH!!
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...from the parking lot of the hotel in the next state he was campaigning in?
I do.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Who'd have thunk it?
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I really don't think it has any meaning. (Not saying that because i'm a Bernie supporter.)
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)I think it does have meaning. Quite a bit, actually.
hrmjustin
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NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I was actually going to fly out to NY just to be there for election night but I found out that he wouldn't be in town.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)He's moving on.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)moved onto the next goal/state instead of waiting around. THE HORROR!!!!
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)the GE good night.
And don't tell me about her suing AZ, that is
just bs, because going in after the fact does
not do anything to change the results.
It is just a phony move, because that state
will be red in the GE, and
everyone knows that.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)There isn't much left to do.
He is either going to win it or lose it.
k8conant
(3,034 posts)he'll leave that to Hill and Bill.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Wow. That should be a blast!
It's Pennstategate!
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Again, look at both actions:
Bernie is leaving ten hours before polls open in the critical state of NY that will lay out whether he can make a real go of it in the final months. If the race was close he'd be working NY up to the last minute before an evening in PA.
Hillary is planning a block party in the most famous block of the country ten hours before polls open, and is getting ready for a very public celebration.
He doesn't expect to win tomorrow. She does.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Keep taking shit for granted Hills.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Clinton is too confident of her win just as she has been before. She knows what is happening all over this country. That is my take.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Oh - some nobody Clinton supporter.
BTW, Bernie has traditionally moved onto the next state the day of another's primary. He was asleep and had to be woken to told he won Michigan. Please check patterns before posting some regular dude's ramblings.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Wow.
beedle
(1,235 posts)Like Hillary did when she lost.
Double WOW!!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)democrattotheend
(12,006 posts)How come I didn't know about this? I will be bummed if I missed a chance to see him.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Bernie Sanders supporters packed a Queens park on Monday night for the Democratic presidential candidate's final New York City rally before Tuesday's primary.
"You all look beautiful, and you all look like you want a political revolution," Sanders said to a cheering crowd at Hunter's Point South Park along Long Island City's waterfront.
http://www.amny.com/news/elections/bernie-sanders-rallies-at-lic-s-hunter-s-point-south-park-tv-on-the-radio-performs-1.11705131
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)I haven't seen any of your posts in ages, though I know you post. How ya doing?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)And that is what I came up with.
Trying to figure out why I should care what he said?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I can't to be a part of it, New York, New York.
These vagabond shoes, are longing to stray
Right from the very heart of it, New York, New York!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Internals must look really awful if he's leaving his "birth state" before the primary.
SpareribSP
(325 posts)When she moved from her victory address from state to state and finally settled in Florida. Clearly she was going to lose and was conceding...
You're making the exact same mistake Sander's supporters made then. The final say is going to be from the voters. It's just a day away now, we can wait!
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Voting starts tomorrow morning and doing another rally or other campaign event tonight isn't going to do anything to affect the outcome (that goes for hill too).
Might as well get to work on Maryland, Penn, etc
Gothmog
(152,036 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)And I don't think he even visited Alaska. Did that mean he super conceded Alaska?
PAProgressive28
(270 posts)He was in Florida when he won Michigan. He was in Wisconsin when he won Washington. He was in Wyoming when he won Wisconsin. There are probably other examples. This is nothing new.
Nanjeanne
(5,396 posts)His events in Pennsylvania have been scheduled for quite a while. In the past, he has been notified of his wins typically when he is making a speech at a campaign rally - so I seriously doubt anyone should be reading anything into his departure - no matter what Matt McDermott would like you to read in his tea leaves. As a Clintonite I don't expect him to "see" anything different.
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IamMab
(1,359 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Not that accuracy matters.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)He won Michigan.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)That we as a party are squelching the deciding voters of every General election by omitting them from our primary. We have the opportunity to build our party at greater levels than ever before, yet somehow you are downright giddy in our exclusion of a broader, more progressive base. When 75% of independents(out of 44% of the electorate) favor a candidate, the party does everything it can to keep him from getting the nomination for the interest of money.
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bernie admits defeat!
Cant wait to see Hillary accepting the nomination at the convention!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)kenn3d
(486 posts)Nobody here really knows what will happen in the primary tomorrow. But if it gives you comfort or adds to your confidence about the future of the country to proclaim a big (as yet un-won) victory for Hillary, so be it. No matter how she does in New York however, her chances of winning the 2,383 pledged delegates needed to clinch the nomination before July will be pretty much the same, ie not likely. Of course it's not likely that Bernie will either, but the delegate gap has narrowed significantly and may narrow further by June.
Despite everything that has happened so far this primary season, including the 6 recent consecutive landslide losses and just 1 win for her in the past month, some of you still insist on not only underestimating but even mocking Sanders. If you are among those who do this, please just understand that Bernie Sanders will be campaigning and running in every state caucus and primary election all the way to the convention.
Unlike all the predictions made above, that certainly will happen.
pnwmom
(109,388 posts)and she already enjoys the support of a vast majority of them.
When she gets to the majority of pledged delegates, there is no question that the supers will have her back.
The only reason to prolong the campaign past the point when she has 2026 when is to give aid and comfort to the enemy, who want our battle prolonged as long as possible.
Whimsey
(236 posts)Go Hillary! Sent two daughters to NYU! Go Hillary!
Men will not do anything for women voluntarily. Economic equality does not equal sexual equality, as anyone who has studied history can tell you. Women need to quit buying into "us men will lift you" mentality. Didn't work when I was in college and law school in the seventies, does not work now.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Erm excuse me? Would you like to make any more incredibly sweeping and unpleasant comments while you're at it?
If you want to see a world where women are not treated in a certain way purely as a result of their gender, then maybe you could try and avoid doing exactly that yourself.
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Godhumor
(6,437 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)your post is sad but funney
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)think so.. too young, too liberal, too jewish, to latina, to asian.. and a good slice of hillary's support from 2008 has passed on.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)We'll talk if you're still around after your review.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Whimsey
(236 posts)Grew up in the seventies when women reached for equality on their abilities, not on someone's coattails. Worked for me, but I was above average. I was in the top math class for four years in high school (ten hours college credit) and it was not until 2014 at my 40th high school reunion I found out there was a math club at the school who took the nationals. My classmate's comment to me was - you were on it right? (I was the only female who stayed in the class three years) and I was just shocked we had a math club I knew nothing about - it was all male. No female under forty understands it, but there is a vast difference in how you are PERCIEVED between your youth and your middle age. Hillary is the poster child for a female who is denigrated more for sex and appearance than for her positions, and it irritates me to no end that Sanders is engaging in it more and more out of desperation.
And the Grow up Seventies is irony, so you do not need to comment on its improper English.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Whimsey
(236 posts)You are all really just children aren't you? No idea of history or the democratic party.
Start a third party if that is what you want. At least Nader had the ballyhoos to do it, unlike the Bern. (Takeout the yhoo).
LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)On Tuesday Madam Secretary
ornotna
(11,008 posts)Greeting people and shaking hands. I guess he came back when he heard you thought he was conceding.