2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRAND Poll: Obama +5.9%, Leads 50.56% to 44.64%
https://mmicdata.rand.org/alp/?page=election#election-forecastThe really important chart here that I want to call attention to is the "Shifts between candidates" metric:
https://mmicdata.rand.org/alp/?page=election#shifts-between-candidates
What it shows is that Romney first peeled away some weak Obama support during the Republican Convention, then Obama just owned Romney's face between the Democratic Convention and the end of September. This was aided by the 47% comments. Then Romney started peeling away Obama's support in relatively modest chunks as a result of the first debate and kept that trend in place until this last week where Obama has once again been picking up votes from Romney.
The reason why this one is particularly important is that, as far as I have been able to determine, it is the single best indicator of what the other polls are going to start reflecting soon.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)of the last month. And, I think we are very likely are about to see a clear, not massive, but clear uptick back up for the President.
The first debate was Rmoney's high point.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)any major gaffes for about an hour. It was entirely scripted and left very few opportunities for him to screw up.
But in the following weeks the campaign continued and the gaffes started coming out with re-assuring regularity. Cue the pro-rape republicans and embarrassing campaign moments where he actually has to pretend to interact with other human beings for example.
Barring any major international or economic incidents it will be slow steady increase in numbers for president Obama.
he has had an absolutely BIZARRE number of gaffes.
He has had about two dozen gaffes that would have ended the political career of any democrat.
Agree, barring any major incidents, the President should see a clear, not massive, but clear margin develop in the next week.
GDP numbers for third quarter are pretty darn good
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Has Romney at about 48-49%.
What's the likelihood that Romney would finish as low as 45%? That would be below the level of support McCain got in 2008. That seems out of whack with current projections
Zynx
(21,328 posts)you get Obama at about 52% and Romney in the 47-48% range. I think that's a pretty likely outcome, honestly.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)It's hard to know what the popular vote will be because Romney is doing well enough that some people are talking about him winning the popular vote, and Nate Silver shows Obama with a narrow lead.
On the other hand, some of the Latino polling organizations said this week that the English pollsters may be underestimating Obama's vote by a couple of points because many of them do not do interviews in Spanish or know how to properly contact Latino voters.
So I think the final popular vote tally will remain more of a mystery than the Electoral College outcome, yes?
By that I mean, at this point in time, it's much easier to predict that Obama will win the Electoral College by say 270-300 EV than it is to know what the popular vote will be.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)And I think turnout can be significantly impacted by a variety of things that can pop up.
The aftermath of next week's east coast weather could be such a phenomenon.
speedoo
(11,229 posts)If anyone has momentum, I think I know who it is.
My guess is that people involved in the RAND poll are going to pay be more attention to the election just because they are part of this group. They feel an additional obligation to follow it. That causes this poll to be skewed by current election events . The general population is not paying as much attention to the election.
On the Road
(20,783 posts)I really like the panel approach, but a preselected panel makes the results subject to the Hawthorne Effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect
The question is whether in this case, the effect of being studied has a systematic bias towards either party. Or, as you suggest, whether it merely amplifies the results because the group is more attuned to the issues.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Haywood Brothers
(19 posts)The Rand people have solid methodology and a well-deserved reputation.
Tenleytown
(109 posts)and we funded several RAND studies and surveys on urban public education. They are an excellent think tank and do very good work. Think Ph.d wonks...
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)On enthusiasm for the two candidates. Crowd size is also a counter argument. So, how does one know what to believe when MSM has a vested interest in the horse-race aspect? Do you go with what you are hearing or what you are seeing.
fugop
(1,828 posts)Seriously. I think the likely voter screens are going to be completely invalidated by this election. Will it be close? Yes. But will Obama win in the swing states? Yes.
I'm done with national polls and particularly done with likely voter screens. I think by filtering out all the newly registered voters, they're going to find they missed the mark by a mile.
OhioworkingDem
(28 posts)If they are I agree with you. i do think the likely voters screens appear to be biased against the dems. In many of these polls you see a 5 pt or greater gap in LV vs. Rv. I do not believe the enthusiasm gap is that great.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)My prediction is that mitt will end up with exactly 47% of the popular vote. There are 47% of the population that will never vote Democratic. They think they are victims of the liberal media, that they're entitled to their fantasies, and they will never take responsibility for getting themselves out of the RW bubble. 47%, that's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
jenmito
(37,326 posts)downhill!