The rich won in NY tonight.

[Ken Burch]

Congrats to the 1%.

A Trump vs. HRC fall campaign will leave everyone but the millionaires out in the cold.

[LexVegas]

1. ...

[pangaia]

51. I assume you must be one of the 1%.

It is what they (you ) do-- look down on others...

[JaneyVee]

2. Yes, that blue collar Bernie struggling to make ends meet.

[Ken Burch]

10. Compared to HRC, a woman who has never known anything but privilege, yes.

Bernie is of the people.

[JaneyVee]

13. Women all around the globe, no matter their socioeconomic class....

Are an oppressed majority. Tsk tsk, you should know better.

[Ken Burch]

25. Agreed. Electing a non-progressive who happens to be female

is not going to change that. No one's life will be transformed by a HRC presidency.

[Roland99]

32. Well. Hers will

Imagine what she can charge Goldman Sachs four years from now

[Ken Burch]

36. That should have been "no one ELSE's life will be transformed".

my bad.

[Roland99]

59. No worries!

In the grand scheme of things, sure, she's better than any GOP candidate.

But that's like saying having an arm amputated is better than being crushed to death by a steamroller.

[redstateblues]

15. Bernie has been making six figures for 25 years

pretty privileged if you ask me.

[Ken Burch]

19. HRC has been making seven or eight figures a year since 2000. n/t.

[Roland99]

33. Six figures living in DC?

About the same as half that in most of America.

[Corporate666]

20. And compared to Soros or the Koch's - Hillary is blue collar.

What's your point? Compared to the electorate, Bernie is wealthy.

Or do most people have private jets whisking them around the world with their family and earn >$200k a year?

[seabeyond]

3. Silliness...

[johnnyrocket]

4. The rich always win.

[Peregrine Took]

17. +1

[k8conant]

5. That's obvious by the vote by distance from Wall Street...

[oberliner]

6. Most voters in the Bronx are not rich

They voted for Hillary overwhelmingly.

[amborin]

16. sadly, some low info voters:

"I've followed Bernie on Facebook for years," said Queens voter Gloria Blanco, who's been living in Jackson Heights for 42 years. "And I've always thought 'this guy oughta run for president' and then he did. But there's something about Hillary, she has a little bit more experience and how to handle people in the middle east and foreign affairs and everything. I was Hillary all the way, but then yesterday I thought, 'Maybe I should just vote for Bernie,' but it only lasted 24 hours and then I woke up this morning and said, 'I'm voting for Hillary.'"

never read the NY Times articles about HRC's debacle in Libya

"I voted for Clinton. I would have voted for Bernie Sanders, it's just that he's so old," said Leon Ivey, who has lived in the neighborhood for 37 years.

"Bernie Sanders is up there in age. Do you think he's actually going to finish his term? No disrespect to older people—know what I mean?"

doesn't know Bernie does daily pushups, is in excellent health, only 7 yrs older than HRC (who takes daily Coumadin and is in questionable health)

http://gothamist.com/2016/04/19/ny_primary_live_updates.php

[pangaia]

53. That is the true horror of the American electorate.

ignorance..

And these people actually VOTE !!!

[YouDig]

7. The poorest county in NY State is the Bronx. 70-30 for Hillary.

[onecaliberal]

12. Republicans aren't the only ones to vote against themselves.

[cherokeeprogressive]

47. How did I miss that? I'm such an ass sometimes.

Deleting.

[NuclearDem]

49. Eh, it happens.

[bettyellen]

8. The poorest urban areas went for Hillary. SMH

[wildeyed]

26. I know, right?

Too bad they don't know what is good for them

[bettyellen]

43. A few seriously Yuppie neighborhoods went for Bernie.

[brooklynite]

9. Want to make a guess how many Democrats disagree with you?

I'd say about...a million Democrats.

[Ken Burch]

18. Mainly people swayed by the meaningless bashing of Bernie over party status

And the lies about his stands on race.

[brooklynite]

21. The Sanders slogan: "Vote for Bernie, unless you're too stupid!"

[Ken Burch]

23. Wasn't calling anyone stupid.

The effectiveness of propaganda has nothing to do with the intelligence level of those the propaganda seeks to persuade.

[wildeyed]

29. Nope.

He TOLD us our issues were not the priority. We believed him. Why is this hard to understand?

[Ken Burch]

31. He never said your issues were not the priority. He supports everything you want.

And there was no way to do anything serious about racism WITHOUT also challenging corporate power. Capitalism will always produce racist societies.

[wildeyed]

35. Yes he did.

He TOLD us what his priorities were. He straight up refused to compromise at all. I remember the moment when I realized that he was going to stick tight to his stance, not give an inch..... And y'all LOVE that shit, I get it, I really do. But a majority of the Democratic voters do not. So he lost.

That is how politics works. You listen a lot and compromise a little to build coalitions. If you want to win. Nature of the beast. We have been TRYING to explain that to y'all too.

[Ken Burch]

37. He doesn't have to stop talking about economic justice to be antiracist.

Economic justice was never a whites-only cause anyway.

It intersects with the antiracist struggle and it defeating corporate control of this country is always going to be a major part of the antiracist project.

We're all in agreement with you.

[wildeyed]

41. No, you are not.

See? You don't listen. He prioritizes economic justice above all other issues. He TOLD us that, in no uncertain terms. We (meaning most Democrats) have other priorities and we did not believe that he was going to take them seriously.

I am not interested in re-fighting the entire primary. I am only pointing out that many people did not vote for Bernie Sanders because of Bernie Sanders. Not because of smears or because we are dumb or corporatists or whatever. We HEARD what he said and believed him. That simple.

[Ken Burch]

42. Bernie supports all your priorities.

He talks a lot about economic justice because none of the other candidates care about it and because it affects all of us.

Bernie never said racism was less important(he was only telling white people to look beyond color)and he never said economic justice was the ONLY thing that mattered.

It's not possible to fight racism and leave economic issues on the backburner. It's capitalism that keeps this country racist.

[wildeyed]

50. Keep telling yourself that.

Because it has been SOOOOO persuasive. He lost AAs by YUUUUGE percentage points. According to CNN exit polls, the only demographic he won in NY was white men. Wonder why?

Oh wait! I know! And so do you, since we have been TELLING you for months and months. On you (and your candidate) that you didn't listen. Try to do better next time. But only if you care about actually WINNING an election. It is much easier to sit on your high horse and judge the rest of us poor peons battling the REAL enemy in the trenches, but the down side is that no one who matters will care about your opinion if you continue to do that.

[Ken Burch]

67. What does Bernie not support that you want?

He's just as strong on criminal justice reform as HRC. He's just as strong on fighting institutional racism as HRC.

He's just as committed to improving schools as HRC, too(it's just that he wants to make it easy for everyone to afford college). It doesn't help anyone to just improve elementary and secondary schools. That still leaves most POC kids and most poor kids(different groups)with no real chance to get to an university and no chance to do anything at a university but get job skills if they do get there. We don't have to choose between free college and better elementary schools.

There is no way a less-progressive candidate overall is going to do more for POC. It's not possible. Especially one who has built her past career by utilizing backlash politics.

You'll find out what I'm saying if she does gets in, when she cuts you all loose like Bill did and starts appeasing white backlash voters again.

It's not possible to end institutional and grassroots racism without addressing the economic factors that keep it alive. The Sixties taught us all that.

[randome]

60. So much for the 'revolution', then, if it's that easily switched off.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Ken Burch]

68. NO. It was one battle, not the war.

And it's always right-wing to sneer at the idea of revolution.

[randome]

71. I have no problem whatsoever with transforming this country into a much better place.

But I do sneer at the idea of 'revolution' when it's quite clear that Sanders does not have the backing you want to believe he has. That is not the same thing as supporting the status quo, it's simply a recognition of the fact that, just like OWS, no one yet has any specifics nor do they have the backing of enough people to bring about the needed transformation.

'Revolutionaries' without plans or specifics are little better than Libertarians, imo. They like to stir the pot but little else.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[redstateblues]

11. Tad Devine wins every time somebody send Bernie money

Bernie has made him a 1%er

[Peregrine Took]

14. "Was it ever thus?" n/t

[amborin]

22. except for parts of NYC, hillary has only won the wealthy counties

most of the CNN map is beautiful pale blue

[msongs]

24. acres of trees don't vote. square miles of grassland don't vote. hillary people voted, yours didnt n

[Beacool]

27. Sure..........

Only the wealthy voted for Hillary in NY.

[Ken Burch]

38. Didn't say that.

Didn't mean that.

Enjoy tonight's victory for conservatism.

[oldandhappy]

28. amen!

[Lint Head]

30. Status quo.

[nc4bo]

34. And for some, the DEVIL you KNOW. nt

[Lint Head]

45. Who comes from the hot place

so dark, deep and low

[KingFlorez]

40. Just bitter and sad

[BainsBane]

44. Cut the crap

It sucks that Bernie couldn't buy the election by outspending Clinton 2:1 in NY and by similar margins in every state he has lost. Ultimately, voters decided they wanted someone who did more than make promises, who listen to voters and cared enough about the problems facing the American public to put in the work necessary to gain a command of policy, something the NYDaily News interview showed that Sanders has not.


African Americans and Latino voters are not protecting the 1 percent. They are voting in their own interests. The result of the Democratic primaries was a blow against white male entitlement. Dog whistles about "corporate whores," "Southerners" and the "confederacy" didn't work. Their votes reflected the demographic make up of the Democratic Party.

I find your claim in the OP devoid of credibility since it bears absolutely no relation to any of Clinton's policy positions. You've spent this entire campaign avoiding any discussion of policy, pointedly refusing to look at any of Clinton's policy positions. People here hold up Bernie's army of 1 percenters as superior to ordinary voters. People attacked me for "demonizing the rich" when I criticized Sarandon's hypocritical claims that Trump would further the revolution. They defend the $800k that Tad Devine reaped from the campaign in a single month, and celebrated Bernie's chartering a private plane burning thousands of gallons of fossil fuels to the cost of $330k, while feeding his entourage lobster dinners off campaign donations. You all repeatedly ignored evidence about his superpacs, Wall Street fundraisers, and tens of millions in illegal campaign contributions (see sources cited in my journal). I don't for half a second believe this shit being shoveled. They happily repeat GOP propaganda and could care less than Rove is pumping millions of dollars into the Democratic primary running ads against Clinton to promote Sanders as the nominee. I have witnessed that there is no issue or principle that isn't thrown aside to promote Bernie's career.

The white male's uncontested hold over power is coming to an end. The Democratic Party belongs to the majority, not a self entitled minority who has repeatedly shown their contempt for that majority. Elderly, disabled, women, and people of color get a vote, same as the rest of you. Race and gender are central to this election cycle. We've lived in a capitalist nation with great inequality since its foundation. Yet it's only when we have an African American president that may be succeeded by a woman that the "establishment" has become unacceptable. It's been very clear to me for a long time that this election was all about resurrecting white male privilege over the changing demographics that make up the Democratic Party and America more generally. Thankfully, it didn't work.

[Ken Burch]

48. I'm against white male dominance just as much as you are.

Voting for someone like Bella Abzug or Shirley Chisholm WOULD be a defeat for white male dominance.

Voting for a centrist militarist who happens to be female can't be.

Any politician elected on a centrist, rather than a progressive program is going to put white male interests first, regardless of the identity of that politician. A female centrist or a POC centrist is going to see thing exactly the same way as a white male centrist. Their class position will cancel out any difference in perception that could come from their identity.

HRC is to the right of Bernie on everything other than, to a very slight degree, guns.

A liberation struggle can never be led by a person who takes money from corporations, or by a person who thinks getting into wars is no big deal.

The election of a woman isn't anything, of and by itself.

And nobody votes for Bernie because they don't want women and POC to be liberated. There is no conflict between the fights for social and economic justice. In 99% of the cases, those fights have the same agenda.

It simply can't be a victory for progressive good for the less-progressive candidate ever to defeat the more-progressive candidate. If there was a woman running on Bernie's agenda, or a POC, I'd support her. If there was a man running on HRC's economic-royalist agenda, I'd oppose him. That is the case for pretty much anyone who supports Bernie

[oberliner]

54. Why do you think that black voters chose Hillary by such large margins?

Do you have any insights into that?

[Octafish]

56. Television.

When does television -- the corporate news media monopoly -- present anything about what Bernie Sanders has done to make life better for African Americans?

[oberliner]

58. Spike Lee had an ad on television supporting Bernie Sanders

The ad focused specifically on what Bernie Sanders has done (and would do) to make life better for African Americans.

[Octafish]

61. Thanks. How many people saw it, though?

How does it compare to the amount of television coverage Ms. Clinton has received?

Personally, I'd like to see the mass media cover all political candidates and perspectives equally -- equal time, all perspectives, all parties, etc., irrespective of the ability to pay for air time. That would be the democratic thing to do.

[oberliner]

76. Don't know

I can't really measure the coverage that the candidates got. Speaking strictly for me, I did see coverage of both candidates - especially over the last 3-4 months or so. I think Bernie's massive rallies got a good bit of notice from the media.

[Ken Burch]

64. OK. Here are my theories.

1) She had been effectively running for seven years before Bernie got in and had a big jump start in organization-that would have given ANY candidate an advantage over Bernie.

2) At the start(although he has massively improved)Bernie wasn't as good as speaking to black audiences.

3) Bernie didn't have the antiracist/police reform planks on his website on Day One(I was one of the people begging the campaign to put them there.

4) The relentless lies about his supposed indifference to the need to fight racism.

5) John Lewis(who I still admire for his PAST support of progressive change)doing what he did to Bernie right before Super Tuesday.

6) Heavy implications from the Clinton campaign(these would have been in private and we won't learn about them until the histories of this campaign are written in a few years)that if the AA vote didn't go heavily for her, AA issues would be back-burnered.

7) The actions of the so-called "bros&quot a group I believe is made up mostly of people who aren't actual Sanders supporters, but were mainly right-wing wreckers brought in to sabotage the Sanders efforts OR provocateurs recruited by David Brock(the Donald Segretti of the Clinton campaign).

Those, to my mind, are the key factors.

[oberliner]

72. Thanks for sharing that

Here are my thoughts on your post

1. True, but that does not really explain the higher level success among black as opposed to white voters.

2. But the NY primary was pretty late in the process. Since you say he massively improved in this area, wouldn't he have thus been expected to do better with primary voters voting in April?

3. But he did talk about that a lot in NY. Including in an interview with Spike Lee. Hillary also had her association with the 1994 crime bill to contend with.

4. That did not seem to be a big factor in the NY primary. At least, I didn't hear much on that score during this primary.

5. He is from Georgia. I don't think he is particularly influential in NY politics.

6. That seems pretty far fetched and at the very least this is something for which there is no evidence.

7. This claim also seems a bit out there.

I really think it has more to do with the fact that Clinton has worked in a tangible way with the African-America community during her time as NY Senator and that has created a favorable impression of her (and her husband) among members of that community.

[Ken Burch]

73. I was talking about AA voters overall, not just in NY. n/t.

[oberliner]

75. OK

In that case I agree with some of your points. However, I think that you may be discounting the relationship between the Clintons and many African-Americans around the US.

[wildeyed]

55. That is so true.

The Establishment is just peachy, as long as it consists of FDR and people who look like him. That is the "good" Establishment, the one we are sooooooo nostalgic for. But when it starts to be REALLY inclusive, to look like the actual electorate, with women and black people LEADING the charge, not just dialing the phones and showing up to vote, that is when the left has a complete meltdown and wants a f'ing "revolution"

Well you know what, WE are the revolution. Not some cranky old guy trying to take the country back 50 years.

[BainsBane]

63. FDR who got 25% of his campaign contributions from Wall Street

and was far wealthier than Clinton.

[Ken Burch]

65. He was a class traitor, though.

We already know HRC can't be.

If she was capable of that, she wouldn't be against breaking up the banks.

She has progressive stands...but only on issues that can't threaten anyone's power or change life in any meaningful way. Every progressive stand she takes is completely innocuous and politically risk-free.

[Octafish]

52. Westchester County was the bellweather.

The wizards of Wall Street salute en ma$$e.

[Freddie Stubbs]

57. They certainly did. And so did the middle class too.

This is one of the reasons why Sanders is losing. His campaign is trying to divide Americans, turning one group against another. Hillary is running a positive campaign of bringing people together.

[WI_DEM]

62. All those African-Americans and latinos who voted for Hillary support the 1%

you need to get over yourself.

[Ken Burch]

70. The bought the hype that we could only win by nominating a conservative.

Even though both candidates are equally electable, the relentless "only HRC can win" meme was going to have an effect.

[Orsino]

66. The authors of Citizens United can take particular pride. n/t

[NCTraveler]

69. I agree that they won with Trump.

Considering Clintons voting blocks, your other point is down right dishonest and offensive.