I love the outreach efforts Hillary's supporters are launching to bring Bernie's fans into the fold

[NightWatcher]

Too bad "Vote for me or fuck you" doesn't fit nicely on a bumper sticker.

I was an Obama supporter in 2008 and I remember being happy but not being a dick, even to the Party Unity My Ass crowd.

Enjoy the win but don't think that the General Election will be smooth sailing.

Obama won behind "Hope" & "Change" but I don't think Hillary will be a shoo in with "Its my turn god dammit". She might want to ditch the blend of nastiness and victimization and offer up something positive to the disillusioned and disenfranchised.

My two cents, but hey Fuck me, right. I'm just a voter.

[bkkyosemite]

1. They keep trying to fit it into 2008...it's not the SAME

[Bohemianwriter]

12. You are SO right!

In 2008, the attacks against Obama when she painted Obama as a Muslim...
This year, the attacks are against a liberal Jew who even got the Pope's attention...
The spin on that story has been all over the place.

In 2008, she was all in the camp of gun owners (or in the rationale of Hillary supporters, an advocate for the gun industry against the victims of Columbine (to make a fitting comparison) while this year, she accused Bernie of siding with NRA and the arms indutry against the Sandy Hook victims.
in 2008, she didn't have MSM in her pocket the same way. MSNBC had Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow was not yet corrupted by corporate media...
In 2008 she threw everything including the kitchen sink against Obama. Now, she is riding his back (while not mentioning a single word how she tried to undermine Obama's authority abroad with her support for the military coup makers in Honduras and the Libya slaughter)
However, there are similarities. The sexist attacks (no substantial argument to counter with) and the Berniebro meme replacing the Obamaboys meme. These memes often come when no substantial argument is offered, and a temper tantrum and victimhood triggers are on the way..
Just my two cents.
I will look forward to the day when a corporate "democrat" sells out the rest of what was once a safety net and send her voters' kids to another unecesssary, and legally dubious war, or if a republican should do the same, and implement a theocratic dictatorsip on top. It will be interesting in witnessing how people cannot help themselves and insist on repeating mistakes in history.



I'm becoming a Carlinist and have no hope for humanity the way they think they support democracy but in reality support an oligarchy.

History teaches us that we learn nothing from History.

[amborin]

38. +1000

[Rockyj]

99. Love your post...

but hate seeing our democracy disappear to become an oligarchy. The more we allow the neo- liberals to get away it the harder it will be for them to fall. We are leaving a hell hole for our children, who will never know what democracy is truly about. The corporate media's propaganda will keep them docile and hopeless. This isn't just happening in USA, its happening all over the world...think Hunger Games!

[Bohemianwriter]

116. US of A has been an oligarchy the last two decades...

The Clinton clan put the last nail in the coffin when the "3rd way" became the "sensible" way, and progressive values became "extremist".

I was in Kansas 26 years ago as an exchange student. And watching USA from afar today, shows me how propaganda, indoctrination and skewed media have warped most people's sense of reality for decades. Even then, I saw American "democracy" for the bullshit story it really is. The history teacher displayed how the American mind have been destroyed by comparing USSR with USA, where as in USSR you could vote for commie A or commie B. Today, you have the choice between Goldman Sachs beneficiary A or B, making it seem they are against each other.

I consider my generation a lost one in this matter since it seems that the millenials are the ones making sense. They must have been born after Government removed led from the painting in houses and homes.

What old people who vote for Hillary don't realize is that their vote will have a negative impact on future generations just like their support for Bill Clinton's crime bill destroyed an entire generation of AA youth, making them slave labor for the private prison farms who's been throwing money at both parties - Hillary included!

I am from today, officially announcing my Carlinist convictions!

[ViseGrip]

147. And Hillary helped!

[arikara]

130. Except the kids aren't watching corporate media

MSNBC and CNN are sputtering away to mostly boomers and some gen Xers. Unfortunately there are still enough of us watching and "learning" from them. I just hope Bernie's movement continues growing and that the kids don't give up... if heaven forbid she wins.

[oldandhappy]

150. 3 of 6 households in my family are off cable.

I still have it because I am in a mobile home park where everyone has it and we pay in our park fee. I use for
Tiny Houses and Star Trek and the music stations. Sometimes PBS and BBC are allowed to show their faces, smile. And Democracy Now if I am home. Otherwise it is the internet for me and I suspect my great nephews will do the same since they are growing up on computers.

[arikara]

153. We still have it

if the Mr wasn't addicted to flicking the remote I would cancel it as I don't find much worth the price... Star Trek when I catch it. We just recently found RT hidden away on the far upper reaches amongst the Chinese and Indian language channels. Its good and we get too mad at CNN and MSNBC to watch them. CBC has even jumped the shark since Harper stacked the board and upper management with extreme neocons.

[oldandhappy]

154. You found RT?? That means you get Ed Schultz. Hmmm. I will look, smile.

[pangaia]

107. Unfortunately, you write what I believe to be the truth.

The smokescreen has become so thick in the last, oh I don't know...35 years, especially.. It is almost impossible to see through it.

I live in New York, so if Clinton is the nominee, I fortunately will not have to vomit voting for her.

[VulgarPoet]

117. When Carlinism becomes a sensible method of looking at the country, that's the sign that

the country has jumped the shark. But I completely agree with you.

[restorefreedom]

158. carlinism. love it! and yes, sad state of affairs when he posthumously nails it. nt

[emsimon33]

157. + one million

The problem that Hillary is facing is that too many who currently call themselves Democrats are not weak-minded idiots, like the Republicans, and we are informed and we do not forget. She may try to shape shift but we remember all the previous shapes that she has shifted into when it suits her ends.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Yes, their outreach is really heartwarming.

Yeah, right.

[azurnoir]

19. yeah but at least its honest

when it does become 'heartwarming' is when it'll get really puke inducing

[brush]

57. You guys have been yelling for months that Clinton is a lying, corrupt . . .

criminal, corporate whore and now you expect "warm and fuzzy" immediate begs for your support.

Amazing! That'll take a while.

[JimDandy]

78. Interesting... Peggy said *outreach* and you wrote *beg for your support*.

Well, should your candidate become the nominee, at least you realize what you're going to have to do if you want Clinton to win in the GE.

[brush]

98. That's your take on it. Mine is that the Obama coalition won twice for Obama, '08 and '12.

Latino Americans, African Americans, women, gays, Asian Americans, Native Americans, other POCs and progressive whites who understand the importance of voting blue are the Obama coalition and will win it again for Clinton in '16.

The Sanders supporters who also understand voting blue will get on board. The ones still holding grudges are welcome to come along for the ride, but who in that tattered repug party is going to beat Clinton?

Trump, he with the highest negatives in history, he who called Mexicans criminals and whores, he who wants to ban muslims from even entering the country, who talks about women and with blood coming out of their eyes and who knows where else, who calls African Americans "the blacks" and encourages his followers to beat them up at his rallies, and who mocks the handicapped — get real.

He's not beating anyone but Cruz whose name is in the DC madam's phone book, won ZERO delegates last night in NY and is hated by everyone of his Congressional colleagues, not to mention most of the non-winger public.

And then there is the non-entity Kasich who won one primary, has a miniscule number of delegates compared to the infamous two listed above, who thinks he's qualified to lectures Hassids on the bible and is hanging on only to maybe get the VP slot. Who the hell is he beating?

So yeah, we really need Bernie or Busters who can't possibly lower their principles to step down from their ego-driven high horse and vote blue because their candidate didn't win.

[JimDandy]

112. Well, good luck with that.

I wonder if anyone has crunched the numbers, though, as to whether the BorBs could actually succeed in electing a write-in candidate as president? I think only 40 or so states allow write in candidates.

[brush]

115. You answered your own question. Only forty states allow write-ins. There are 50 states . . .

and Guam, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, but go for it if it'll lessen the sting of this huge New York loss.

[Amaril]

133. Because, to some people she is.

Truth hurts, I know.

[brush]

134. Hah! The real truth is she won. Can't get any truer than that.

But keep doing what you're doing, maybe in MD and PA because it sure didn't help Sanders in New York.

[Amaril]

135. What did PT Barnum say?

There's a sucker born every minute? Truth, apparently, is a relative term to some people. Kind of like the definition of "is."

She hasn't won yet -- can EVERYbody have a chance to vote before she is coronated? That would be awesome, thanks.

[brush]

136. Yeah, like those suckers who keep sending money so Devine can keep . . .

hauling in his 800k a month for as long as he can — yep, that's right. His firm is racking in that every month. And Weaver is also hauling it in from all those people who they keep telling to send money when there is not path to victory.

[Amaril]

138. Sorry you're still sad.......

.....that Obama stole Clinton's rightful coronation in 2008.

Chin up, buttercup.

[brush]

140. Newsflash: It's 2016 not 2008. Clinton just ko'd Sanders in NY. He's out but doesn't know it yet.

No reason for me to be sad.

You on the other hand . . .

[Blue Meany]

3. Graceful in victory -- not n/t

[Trust Buster]

4. Considering how you've treated us, it's kind of hard to play the victim card - signed corporatist.

[TM99]

8. Oh you poor babies!

[Trust Buster]

11. You're the ones crying that you're not feeling the love now that the Bern has subsided.

[TM99]

21. You couldn't be more blind.

I am not crying. I am laughing.

When Clinton loses the GE, I will be back here laughing at y'all and saying guess what we were right.

[Trust Buster]

25. Your track record with respect to predictions gives me pause.

[TM99]

26. Yeah, I was wrong tonight.

I said +40 for Clinton and it is only going to be +26.



Did I predict a NY Clinton win? Nope. So maybe you have me confused with another Sanders supporter. We Bernie Bros all look and act a like.

Oh, I did predict y'all would eat crow on the Vatican visit. I was dead right then.

[Trust Buster]

30. You thought Sanders would be the nominee. An epic fail. Why should we believe you now ?

[TM99]

36. Oh, really, Clinton is the nominee?

Y'all are just so full of shit. She has a net +26 delegates after NY, at least that is the numbers on the Green Papers.

This race is not over. I am so sick of this presumptive bullshit.

[Trust Buster]

40. I regret to inform you that she IS the nominee. Bernie has some thinking to do in Vermont.

[TM99]

51. WTF?

He is going to VT. Tad has already stated we are moving forward. And the LA office just opened today. We aren't going anywhere.

[Trust Buster]

54. I'm not suggesting that he goes anywhere. But he needs to pivot away from Hillary and stick to

his policy agenda.

[beaglelover]

100. Damn right! No more attacking our Democratic nominee for POTUS!

[appalachiablue]

71. Hillary is the nominee, who are you exactly to decide this?

[apcalc]

151. +31

[TM99]

152. Damn that is a staggering

amount. This lead is so insurmountable, I think Sanders should just drop out now!

[amborin]

41. right now, it's an embarrassing +15

[Bluenorthwest]

118. Bernie vs Hillary in NY did slightly better than Obama vs Hillary in NY, Obama ended with 40.3%

in NY but ended the contest as President of the United States.

[PufPuf23]

37. Do you recognize the irony of your screen name?

This is an age of trans-national and monopoly corporations.

Bad for people. Bad for the environment. Pro war.

Concentrates wealth and buys democracy.

If Hillary Clinton becomes POTUS (which I expect), I hope there is a real and successful effort to address these issues.

Hillary Clinton reminds me of and is to the right of Richard Nixon.

I have been a registered and voting Democrat since 1972, and became politicized as a Democrat age 15 in 1968.

I want to get the neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism out of the Democratic Party and out of the USA and the Democratic Party back to traditional liberal and New Deal values.

[Trust Buster]

42. Once again, TR could not have broken up the Trusts without significant support from the political

base of the opposition party. That condition does not exist right now.

[PufPuf23]

60. Would be nice if the leadership of our own Party recognized the problems of monopoly for a start.

Instead Democratic Party leaders (and GOP too) get financial support from the monopolies.

In return, the monopolies get favorable legislation and policy cemented by the revolving door of regulatory capture.

For a pol to support Trust Busting is to marginalize oneself and usually political suicide.

Seems like an opportunity to peel GOP into the Democratic camp as monopolies are a common problem.

Instead we traditional liberals are marginalized within our own Party.

What do you propose?

[Trust Buster]

65. A grass roots effort before the 2020 census that will place Democrats in power in state and federal

Legislatures.

[PufPuf23]

68. I like and 100% support that answer but

how does the Democratic Party halt the influence of the monopolies on Democratic Party leadership and stop the problem of regulatory capture?

[Trust Buster]

69. I don't believe that Citizen's United will be reversed by way of a Constitutional amendment.

We need to win in November and have a Democrat reshape the Supreme Court. That is step #1 in my mind. The Republicans are even holding up 80 of the President's lower Court nominations. That's where Citizens United can be reversed and regulatory agencies can find protection. The House has been so gerrymandered that Democrats need to be in stronger positions in the states before the 2020 census. The Koch's use their Citizens United freedom to bribe state legislatures to hurt solar and wind and help defeat regulations on fracking. The two work hand in hand.

[PufPuf23]

72. Good answer again. Your welcome for the opportunity to make some good posts. lol

Given your answers, I do not understand why you are such a staunch backer of Hillary Clinton and why you are contemptible towards supporters of Sanders (except maybe DU magnifies and polarizes opinion).

I was an anyone but Hillary Clinton in 2008 and again in 2016 so backed into Sanders but like him regardless.

My problem with Hillary Clinton is I perceive a lack of ethics and character.

Hillary and Bill Clinton have grown more wealthy from politics than any politicians in the history of the United States.

The Clinton Foundation is a minefield.

I watch the video clip of Hillary Clinton regards to Libya and the killing of Gadaffi and see a psychopath.

However, the idea of indictments lacks gravity because it is rare for the powerful in wealth or politics to be prosecuted or pay a stiff price unless thrown to the wolves by their own kind, not the public or public interests.

Thanks for interchange.

[Scuba]

75. "... that condition does not exist right now."

"If the Democratic Party would fight as hard for the Working Class as the Republican Party fights for the Ruling Class, the Republicans would be a powerless minority party within a few election cycles.

The Democratic Party knows this, the Republican Party knows this, the Ruling Class knows this- and they've been astonishingly successful at making sure the Working Class never learns this.

The status quo was rolling along just fine, until Bernie Sanders came along and mucked it up with his crazy ideas about democracy, equality and justice."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027749863

[apcalc]

104. To the right of Richard Nixon?

That's nuts. Big time nuts.

[Kentonio]

73. The sneering and condescension started from your camp last summer

We were told we were naive idiots and that Bernie would be sent packing after Iowa. He'd never break 20% in the polls, then he'd never break 30%, and then he's certainly never break 40%. We just wanted free stuff, and rainbows and unicorns. We were all Berniebros, sexists, closet racists, undercover Trump supporters.

Don't talk to me about how you, the supporters of the most famous, most funded and most institutionally supported candidate in the race were treated, it makes you sound utterly ridiculous.

[frylock]

155. Word up

[Zira]

5. They're a minority and they know it.

Most Dems support Bernie. And if the Dems were allowed to vote they would have kicked her war mongering ass.

That's why all the fixes.

[JimDandy]

83. 126,000 registered Dem voters removed from the rolls in Brooklyn in the last 5 months.

I think that surpassed what the RW did to voter rolls in similarly populated liberal areas of Florida when Obama was on the ballot.

But the NY Dems did this, in a primary, to supress the vote of other Dems.

[peace13]

88. Yup...and not one word from you know who!

When Bernie speaks out on it he is a complainer! You know this voter suppression has been an issue all across the country. If Hill does manage to walk away with this I will never view her as anything other than a jailer. She has not spoken out about fair elections because she knows what is going on.

[JimDandy]

93. This is *the strategy that must never be spoken of* in their camp.

Every last one of them knows that strategy is abbhorent to the very core of the Dem Party and yet, by not denouncing what happened to NY voters, they are effectively cheering it on silently, because it benefitted their candidate.

[peace13]

96. There are all kinds of words for that!

Disrespecting the vote is pretty much the bottom of the barrel!

[VulgarPoet]

119. They cheer for the meaningless deaths of servicemen and women.

They cheer for the meaningless deaths of foreigners in our regime change operations.
They cheer for children getting blown to goddamn shreds by one of the cluster bombs that $hillary voted for.
They cheer for everything that chops at the numbers of the 99%.
They're cheering for the utter destruction of the Earth. Because y'know, it's "her turn".
Fuck 'em.

[Lil Missy]

111. BernieLogic.

Up is down, day is night, more is less, loss is victory, etc.

[Chasstev365]

6. I'm with you 100 %

Mocking, belittling, and dismissing potential supporter is a brilliant strategy! I really think they should watch their "tone", as Hillary's campaign told Bernie.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. Check this out...

This one is calling Bernie "a real piece of shit" and makes fun of me for saying this isn't the best way to convince us to support Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1784886

[Trenzalore]

10. They are referring to Weaver not Bernie

Though if Bernie continue the nastiness post NY I might be swayed that is true.

[amborin]

44. "if Bernie contine the nastiness" are you for real? HRC campaign has swiftboated & smeared Bernie

[Bluenorthwest]

121. Here is another of that poster's Hides: "2. Fuck Bernie. nt"

So is that also not about Bernie, when he says 'fuck Bernie'? Is that your contention?

Posts hidden by Jury: 7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=313074&sub=trans

[Punkingal]

22. Didn't that post get an alert?

How is a post like that allowed to stand?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

24. Yes, and it's still standing but my post saying the exact same thing about Kasie Hunt was hidden! nt

[Punkingal]

45. Damn it! I cannot believe that was left.

That is outrageous.

[VulgarPoet]

120. A post telling me that if I cared so much about the military

I should have "switched to the GOP" was allowed to stand. Calling Bernie a motherfucker was allowed to stand, while calling Bill a motherfucker got a hide. These people are running amok, but are you surprised? This place is fucking HillaryUnderground where so long as you support the empress, you could be a Stormfront poster and welcomed with open arms!

[QC]

143. Actually, one of Hillary's superfanz here did link to Stormfront

not long ago.

The post was hidden but the poster is still here.

[VulgarPoet]

144. I bet I could guess who, too. nt

[QC]

145. And have you noticed all these Odin's Cross avatars

that people are sporting to express solidarity with a poster who outed herself on another site as an antisemite?

There has been a very nasty undercurrent of antisemitism around here during this campaign.

[VulgarPoet]

146. I didn't know the Asatru movement got such a foothold here.

Part of the reason I dropped that group as soon as I saw her pop up on another site I frequent... Thankfully, the people there are a bit more "what the fuck" towards blatant anti-Semitism.

[Codeine]

28. That post clearly referred to Weaver.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

29. Oh, so that makes it a-OK then. Got it. nt

[brooklynite]

9. ...but "Bernie or Bust" fits nicely.

When you stop acting like children having a tantrum, you'll be invited to the adults table.

[Chasstev365]

13. Hillary stayed in until the convention in 2008

Why is it different now?

[BlueStater]

16. And you've proved you're no better tonight with your infantile gloating.

Get off your high horse.

[HumanityExperiment]

18. Shorter...

The OP is correct, let me put an exclamation point on this to validate it!

[amborin]

46. HRC campaign worker, please don't ask anyone to vote against their core values, especially honesty &

integrity

[brooklynite]

58. 1) I'm not an HRC campaign worker...

2) The bottom line is the race will be Clinton vs either Trump or Cruz. If you can't see a difference between the candidates, maybe you should re-examine your core values.

[amborin]

61. We plan to write in Bernie's name; don't blame Bernie supporters for a GOP win; you've got a weak,

severely compromised candidate who will be shredded in the GE

[brooklynite]

66. If you're in a solid Blue or Red State, knock yourself out

If you're in any competitive State, you're saying there's no difference between them.

[peace13]

91. Face it..

Your candidate comes with a lot of questions. Baggage that will need to be opened, aired and discussed. She was permitted to carry it closed throughout the primary but in the General, poutrages and false fuming will not fly. You are responsible for her as the candidate so plan to work hard and sleep less. We've all been there. Good luck with that.

[Buddyblazon]

125. I'm in Colorado...

Competative for sure. I'm just going to write his name in.

It's my vote. No one will guilt me into voting for a candidate. I've held my nose for nearly 25years. From here on out, I vote for who I want to represent me. Not for who I think will win...and especially not someone that thinks I'm a dummy. I'm too old to vote for people that will go back to calling me names as soon as they bank my vote.

I actually see it as much more helpful to the American populous. It's time to push the Democratic Party back to the left.

If that upsets anyone...so what? My vote to use as I please.

[brooklynite]

137. It is absolutely your vote to use...as long as you can live with the consequences.

I can survive a Cruz or Trump Presidency (I might even come out ahead). Can you?

[Buddyblazon]

149. Oh yeah...

I survived a Raygun and two Shrubs. I'm sure I'll survive the next grade A asshole.

[peace13]

90. You better get down to headquarters...

...they'll need your help. Remember she can do it on her own! That means a lot of Hill folks beating the bushes!

[azurnoir]

14. so do I

[beaglelover]

15. Why do St Bernard supporters always make it about them??????????????????????

[creeksneakers2]

43. That's my take too

They ought to be more concerned about what happens to the country and unconcerned about getting their asses kissed on a message board.

[peace13]

81. You should review the OP's out here.

I have never seen a more self centered group than the Hill group. Projection is not only a hobby but a career it seems!

[fasttense]

108. Because it's clearly all about Hillary's turn. n/t

[msanthrope]

17. Feel the Bern. nt

[vercetti2021]

20. Good luck

I will never vote for that vile woman.

[Doctor_J]

23. Complete lack of principles and morals

Which makes them perfectly suited to supporting Mrs Clinton.

[amborin]

49. yes, exactly:

[apcalc]

110. That's silly

More Republican talking points. With no proof. She's the most truthful honest one out there.

[Beacool]

64. This is an example why on this board Hillary supporters don't feel warm and fuzzy

toward Sanders' supporters. This site has been pro-Sanders and very anti-Hillary for a long time now.

[Doctor_J]

123. Well, you need only look to Cha and Steven Leser for the cravenness of the Hillarians

They both in 2008 found Mrs. Clinton completely unfit to be president. In the intervening 8 years she has added to her resume Honduras, Libya, Syria, TPP, XL pipeline, opposition to gay marriage, praise for Nancy Reagan's AIDS response, offers to raise the SS eligibility age and curb reproductive rights, and enough corruption via the Clinton Foundation to make the old Kremlin blush. Yet now Cha and Steve find her to be the greatest candidate in history.

No principles, no morals.

[BernieforPres2016]

27. What the Hillary supporters say or do doesn't matter to me one iota

I wouldn't cast a vote for that corrupt war mongering corporatist if her supporters were the nicest people on earth.

[Kalidurga]

32. That's true supporters being nice doesn't change Hillary into a good candidate

[enid602]

31. bitter much?

I seem to detect just a hint of bitterness in your post.

[jfern]

33. They seem determined to shrink the party

[ChisolmTrailDem]

48. That can be arranged. nt

[mindwalker_i]

34. Actually, that would be a great bumper sticker

"Vote for me or Fuck You!"

[GoneFishin]

35. They are correct not to bother. The damage they have done is irreparable. nt

[snowy owl]

39. I don't care if they welcome me...they will get their just desserts.

If Kasich grinds out a nomination he will win. If Trump, who knows? Clinton is no shoo-in. If she does win, what have we won? More of the same. Thank you very much.

[ecstatic]

47. Outreach is impossible with Bernie's attack dogs still flooding the airwaves with lies.

When Weaver and others sit down and demonstrate an ounce of class, perhaps then the healing can begin.

[amborin]

52. standard bullying tactic: accuse the victim of your transgressions

[uponit7771]

59. +1

[Warren DeMontague]

50. DU has some deeply malcontented people.

I wouldn't take it too seriously, particularly a few noisemakers deliberately trying to stir up shit or axe grind.

Most of the HRC people have better stuff to do.

[EndElectoral]

53. Hope and Change has become Reality and Can't. Never seen anyone win with such a vision.

[RandySF]

55. Sanders supporters call Hillary every name in the book

Including "whore"? And now want to be soothed and coddled after losing? Hell no.

[JoePhilly]

106. Its absolutely amazing.

All the shit they toss, and now we're the mean ones.

[workinclasszero]

56. Kinda like this huh?

The hypocrisy...it BERNS!

[Eko]

62. It takes two sides

to come together. I don't see you posting anything about telling the Sanders supporters to tone down. From where I sit it looks exactly like the opposite of that.

[asuhornets]

63. Who me??!!

I never reached out to a Bernie supporter and never will..

[restorefreedom]

159. thats the spirit!

candidate trump appreciates your help!

[OhioBlue]

67. One big difference in 2008

Is that we were following a GWB presidency. It was a dark 8 years of war and economic collapse. I was so depressed after the 2004 election. Almost any Democratic nominee was going to look like a better alternative. And, Pres O did offer hope and change. He was an incredible, exciting candidate.

Now, if we are faced with Hillary v Trump following Pres O, we are looking at a rightward shift. It is just a matter of degree. It's hard to get excited about that.

I will walk up to the electronic voting machine on election day and push the button beside her name. I'm not excited or optimistic tho. I'm sad that our choices have been winnowed down to this.

[Logical]

70. No doubt that a few are total jerks. Nt

[nolawarlock]

74. It's better than how they've treated us.

Heck, I was here barely a week and I got alert stalked, only to find out just how many others have had this happen. So basically, Bernie supporters are so determined to silence all opposition that they'll resort to manipulating the flaws in the jury system to do it. I'm sure most of the busters are going to come around. By the time we're into the general, they'll have time to see just how scary Trump is next to our candidate ... who is Hillary by the way.

[Buzz Clik]

76. After angrily being called a Neocon, Third Way, Dino, NeoLib, right wing paid shill ...

... and being told repeatedly, "I will never vote for Hillary," there's a lot of healing that needs to happen.

[peace13]

86. Well, people need answers and they have to come from folks like you.

I need to understand how you can accept less than honest answers from your candidate. How you justify her actions as SOS. Why you don't care that she embellishes things, even when unnecessary? How the money coming into the Clinton Foundation coincides with work she was doing as SOS. Give me real answers so that I can understand. That is all I ask for.

[Buzz Clik]

89. You paint pictures that aren't true, and then ask me to explain?

No. I won't play that game. I won't contradict your mischaracterizations, and I won't try to convince you. Your biases are so deeply seeded that nothing can displace them.

[peace13]

92. Exactly which ones aren't true.

Please tell me!

[Buzz Clik]

94. This has been going on since Sanders announce in May 2015.

Eleven months of this.

I'm done fighting Sanders supporters.

[peace13]

97. What you don't understand is that your fight has just begun!

You throw in the towel because you can't answer and that is very sad! Hold on to your savings and your loved ones because you have signed up for a wild ride with Hill. Her love of invasions is to die for.

I can't believe you couldn't find one thing to defend! That must really scare you.

[Buzz Clik]

101. Piss off

[peace13]

114. I hope they appoint you ambassador to hospitality!

You will be awesome! In all seriousness. Pick a couple of things that you feel are bullet proof and share them with people. Like right now, instead of making me look closer at Hill you have slammed the door. This won't help your candidate. My best to you.

[Dem2]

102. Your objections to being called names

Don't count because you're a neocon.

[Buzz Clik]

105. Yes, I am!

(this has nothing to do with anything, but I like it)

[Dem2]

113. Yeah I think that has everything to do with everything

I don't always advocate for positions that I know can never be fulfilled. Oh wait, yes I do.

I don't always choose the position in an argument that I know will never be the winning position. Oh wait, yes I do. It's what I do. I advocate for positions that are only those that can't be achieved immediately. And then I complain bitterly that they can't be achieved immediately.


( this is all tongue-in-cheek for those who are at times oblivious)

[pdsimdars]

77. It won't really matter when the indictment comes.

[peace13]

79. We had the first Obama 'house party' in our county.

The house was full of our friends and local folks. The young man in charge of the county Dem's was...well young. He had been a Hill supporter. The first words out of his mouth as he started the meeting were, 'How many people here were Hillary supporters? Raise your hand'. The air sucked out of the room. My jaw dropped! I cut him off and said we are all Obama supporters now and ready to get started. I can not imagine a Hill house party opening with any word of Bernie...in fact I can't imagine a house party! People who support Hill are a different breed, I'm not saying bad, but definitely different.

[bvf]

80. Well, I've seen it noted more than once on DU

that Clinton wouldn't need the votes of Sanders supporters, should she make it to the GE.

While it's easy to dismiss idiocy like this, it does say a lot about the intellect of some of Clinton's more, uh, enthusiastic supporters.

[peace13]

84. Looking at the efforts it took to get Obama elected I can't imagine the Hill folk doing it alone!

I have seen zero organization on her part here! It is going to be a lot of work and I can't imagine how they will do it. They have stated that they can do it alone. Good! Love to see it!

[bvf]

87. The Clinton campaign

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is obviously counting on votes from Republicans who would not in a million years vote for Trump.

As I've said before, the Republican establishment would be fine with a Clinton presidency. Bet on it.

As to DU, it will be interesting to see when the management deems the primaries at an end. There's already been some whining about the fact that the declaration hasn't been made yet, and those prodigious intellects I referred to earlier are just going to keep screaming ever louder as the convention nears.

[peace13]

95. I agree.

I have to wonder about the income side of this here. What will the impact be if Bernie folks walk away?

[azurnoir]

82. nope they should stay just as they are

[pat_k]

85. They know any "outreach" efforts are premature.

And, failing to understand the level of commitment so many Bernie supporters have to "going all the way," they resort to belittling.

"New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled the humiliating question arises 'Why then are you not taking part in them?'"
-- H.G. Wells

More quotes Bernie opponents* may not get:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511744422

* While there are genuine Hillary supporters out there whose posts are driven by the positive feelings or actions Hillary has inspired in them, the ones that are out in force today are first and foremost expressing contempt for Bernie. They aren't "Hillary supporters" they are "Bernie opponents."

[djean111]

103. They can't "bring me into the fold".

Why the fuck would I vote for war and fracking and the TPP and Wall Street and Third Way slashing of Social Security?

I am a Democrat. If there is no nominee with Democratic VALUES, then I cannot vote for that particular office. Easy decision.

[Lil Missy]

109. That's pretty rich coming from a Sanders supporter.

Truth is, you guys can sure dish it out, but now that reality is setting in you don't want to reap what you sow.

[Bluenorthwest]

122. I'm waiting for your candidate to make amends and explaination for this:

"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."

I still can't believe any Democrat could think that way much less speak that way to cameras. I still can't believe her supporters were all perfectly fine with that ignorant, bigoted and entirely false statement. On DU they all defended it, excused it and then pretended it did not happen.

I was born into a Democratic family. Today I do not feel welcome by the Hillary Branch, the DOMA branch of this Party, not after you all proudly stood with Ron and Nancy.

[Orsino]

124. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[Trajan]

126. Well spoken, Sir

I'm right there with ya ...

[Blue_Tires]

127. Because the Berniestans were on their best Sunday behavior before yesterday...

sure, bro...

[LanternWaste]

128. The outreach is miserable and ineffective by many supporters of both candidates.

The outreach is miserable and ineffective by many supporters of both candidates.

Bias can often prevent a lazy mind from realizing as much, and compel us to attribute a most inaccurate raison d'etre (e.g., it's my turn) to better validate those biases as well.

[Hiraeth]

129. ah c'mon now ... feel the love ...

FEEL THE BERN!!

[Amaril]

131. Wish I could DU rec this more than once! (n/t)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

132. Ain't it fun when My Party, Right or Wrong types accuse us of being "Purists"?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

139. If I felt any more love from the Sanders supporters on this board I would ----.

[restorefreedom]

160. allow me.......

ahem, tap tap.....

https://m.

[QC]

142. They truly are as gracious as the object of their devotion. n/t

[Triana]

148. She's gonna win on "Keep Everything The Same - an OLIGARCHY!"

Riiight.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the isle, GOP voters are handily ushering in THEIR non-establishment candidate.

And Democrats? They just trash theirs, sneer at him, refuse to vote for him, and continue to embrace the increasingly 99%-UNfriendly corprat and money-driven status quo - the Oligarchy Candidate.



America can't HANDLE a Democracy. They don't have one. And they apparently don't want one.

VERY interesting.

[840high]

156. .that^ X100

[restorefreedom]

161. thanks for the chuckle

Too bad "Vote for me or fuck you" doesn't fit nicely on a bumper sticker.

lol! l laughed all the way through your post, and i needed it after the past two sucky days in bernieland.

very well done

[moriah]

162. And I remember being a Hillary supporter and working my ass off for Obama...

Despite the nastiness of Obama's other supporters, but because I knew that was what was best for the country.

[libodem]

163. Like This?