2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWithout Women and Minority Support, Hillary Would Be Losing Badly To Bernie
Plus, all the polls on DU have shown that Bernie has been making dramatic gains even in these groups. As for Hillary winning parts of the South, Bernie hit the nail on the head:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-is-winning-the-states-that-look-like-the-democratic-party/
Secretary Clinton cleaned our clock in the Deep South, no question about it, Bernie Sanders said during Thursday nights Democratic debate in Brooklyn. That is the most conservative part of this great country, he continued. But you know what, were out of the Deep South now. And were moving up.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)OP dismisses something like 68% of all voters to fantasize about how well Sanders could do with a white male electorate?
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)"Sanders wins the real American voters."
It's amazing. Sometimes this place sounds like a Trump rally!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,035 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's crazy talk...
brush
(53,789 posts)African Americans, women, gays, Asian Americans, Native Americans, progressive whites you know, what America looks like.
It doesn't work anymore just to win white votes. It took them a while to grasp that.
Like where have they been? The Obama coalition, those demographic segments I mentioned above, won in '08 and '12 yet were ignored in the early southern primaries.
Perhaps Bernie should demand his money back from Weaver and Devine for malpractice.
Arneoker
(375 posts)And I will be part of the minority of my demographic in voting for her in November. And this is a problem how...?
And kudos to you Brush.
brush
(53,789 posts)how important it is to the country for us all to vote blue no matter who.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Here is another article noting that if California was mostly white and male, Hillary would have no chance whatsoever.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-politics-trump-sanders-20160403-story.html
But among blue-collar voters, shes beating Sanders by 6 points because so many of those voters here are Latinos and women, two groups with which Clinton has relationships dating to her husbands 1992 campaign.
Among Latinos making less than $50,000, for example, Clinton won, 55% to 33%. Wealthier Latinos were split between the candidates. (Their numbers are too small to measure separately, but lower-income African American and Asian American voters sided with Latinos; taken together, lower-income minority voters backed Clinton by 15 points while wealthier minority voters were split.)
Had the states working-class voters been mostly white, as they are in other states, the results would have been different. The poll found Clinton lost to Sanders by 12 points among white voters earning less than $50,000 annually.
spooky3
(34,458 posts)brush
(53,789 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)When did you wake up to that realization? LOL.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Hopefully as some folks (FINALLY) wake up to the reality that they have been ignoring for the last 30 years, some desperately needed perspective will start to seep in.
Hey, I can dream, can't I??
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Now we're supposed to discount the votes of women, blacks, Latinos and probably every other demographic that voted for Hillary. That's what some so called Democrats/Liberals/Progressives have gone to in their Sanders support.
The epitaph of his campaign is that the Sanders campaign and his supporters only seem to have anger, harassment and bullying in their arsenal of campaign tactics. They don't have the ability to reach out and do the soft convince at all.
They are angry at all the Demographic groups who don't support Bernie and have been from the moment the dynamic became apparent. They never reached out they were just angry and nasty towards us. This OP is the latest example.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)lolz
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)what I've known for several months now.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Guess you are missing those days.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)What a nerve. Daring to have a voice...
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)did not yield a huge turnout and the fabled independents didn't bother to register in time cuz they are too special to follow the rules that have been in force for decades
FarPoint
(12,409 posts)The right stuff period. He is a dreamer for sure...A leader, not so much. Let's see if he is a man of character now...will he bond finally with the Democratic Party and bring in his followers or go pout in Vermont?
athena
(4,187 posts)Women and minorities don't count either.
Because we all know that Bernie could easily win the General election without getting the female or the minority vote.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)wonder which way will that go? gotta wonder.
spooky3
(34,458 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)- Rush Limbaugh, 2008
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Truly disappointing. This OP is almost as bad as Stockholm Syndrome.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I've been visiting this site for years, starting with the 2008 primary season. I've often included it in my website visits during elections to get a sense of candidates and saw no reason to jump into the fray until the Vatican thing because of how concerning it was to me. Though I'll say, the Stockholm Syndrome things almost got me to join as well since that was pretty egregious, as were all the defenses of it.
Not sure what you're implying, but the admins are more than capable of knowing who I am (and who I'm not) by my email address. Feel free to ask them if I'm a real person and not a sock.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I had no idea the Confederacy was this large. How did they lose the war?
Squinch
(50,955 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Maryland is on the cusp, so to speak, so maybe it IS part of the "Deep South." Funny, I don't have a Southern accent!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)WTF, dudes. They lost me.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Up until that point I was undecided..then that happened. I kept an open mind, but I had a hard time with that, especially after some people were murdered at a PP. I decided, and never looked back. Funny thing, my hubby was for her right from the get go...that silly white man
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Parenthood. That he would publicly belittle any part of such an important and beloved insitituion over no more than sour grapes was really telling to me.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)A bit petty to me.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a "card" to play is utter crap. We should all, as Dems, be big enough to acknowledge her advocacy. But people here had to pretend SBS had a better record. I had to wonder about their integrity.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)therefore only our votes are the rightful votes.
(this is the underlying message of the OP)
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)cry from someone who got along pretending to be progressive for a long time.
Now they know they are not.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)What I read was we are more important than you and our votes more important. You know, because white male.
This middle aged, southern man finds it disgusting.
Response to bettyellen (Reply #15)
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Look the other way at this crap and you are part of the problem here.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)If only voting was limited to white males? Amirite?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)to republicans.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)too bad.
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TMontoya
(369 posts)Hillary would be losing!
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)You kind of want people other than white straight cis guys to vote for your revolution.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)internet privacy, because priorities.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Too bad for them!
okasha
(11,573 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Are you sure you're on the right website?
Free republic has many members that think like you
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Seems you want to repeal the 15th Amendment, the 19th Amendment, and the Voting Rights Act, am I right?
Secretary Clinton cleaned our clock in the Deep South, no question about it, Bernie Sanders said during Thursday nights Democratic debate in Brooklyn. That is the most conservative part of this great country, he continued. But you know what, were out of the Deep South now. And were moving up.
The residents of New York, Illinois, Nevada, Massachussetts. Iowa, and Ohio will be surprised to learn they live in the Deep South, am i right?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Saved by the base voters of the democratic party again!!!
Great job yall!!!
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)We Got the Power!
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Damn.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Without the voter disenfranchisement in Arizona, & NY, without local groups purging voter rolls and without voters being mysteriously switched from D to unaffiliated...
Without all that, Hillary would not have stood a snowballs chance in hell.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Just going to ignore it? Noted.
brush
(53,789 posts)You guys can't be real with these constant excuses every time Sanders loses.
I mean how did you really expect him to win the nomination? He's only been in the party for 9 months, hasn't passed on any of the millions he's raised to down-ticket dems, and it's become increasingly obvious that he only joined the party to use it for the national recognition he couldn't get as an independent.
And btw, he's covered his you know what by re-upping as an independent for his upcoming senate run in 2018, so did he ever do anything but borrow the (D) to put by his name but for convenience?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But she voted AGAINST banning cluster bombs... She voted FOR the IWR.
She is so clearly compromised that I will never vote for her. So be careful when you say "women" are on her side. She offered to throw right to choose under the bus too, as long as there was an exception for life of the mother.
brush
(53,789 posts)I think Sanders saying the Planned Parenthood was party of the establishment didn't help him with women.
spooky3
(34,458 posts)No one claimed that every 59 year old woman supports any particular candidate.
However, the statistical evidence shows that being female and being over a certain age is associated with preferring one candidate versus another.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)you guys never learn.
Boy it's going to be fun explaining to my friends why I went from 6 months of passionate Bernie support to early voting for Hillary.
You sound like the type that whines about SJWs and "identity politics" on Reddit honestly because they're not falling in line behind the LOGICAL WHITE HIPSTER opinion.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Nice to see you! Even if it is in this thread...!
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)... He has moved the whole spectrum. This OP and "Stockholm Syndrome" just prove it. At least we can point at the blatant racism of the Right and know it right for the horror that it is. The kind of patronizing tone it takes over here on the left is just despicably subversive and deeply disappointing.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)thoroughly embarrassed by this OP? Just how many people are you going to tell they don't count because they don't support your candidate. Stop embarrassing yourself.;
brush
(53,789 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)That's...who the Democratic Party is, mostly.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Without women and minorities ... what voters do you have left?
I am hoping that this OP was posted to be illustrative
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)It'll be over soon
DrDan
(20,411 posts)not southerners
not women
not minorities
we all know their lack of worth, don't we . . . .
04alsabi
(31 posts)...Romney would be president. Actually, scratch that: McCain would be president.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I can't tell any more.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)This can't be serious, can it?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I mean, a supposed Democrat essentially saying that woman and minorities don't count?
That sinks it. It HAS to be satire.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Because otherwise I just can't even...
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I don't understand the point of this post.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and critical part of the Democratic coalition.
President Obama won in 2012 even though Mitt Romney carried a majority of white men -- and white women.
Hillary will carry women of all races.
And what just happened in NY? Women went strongly for Hillary -- about 60/40, while men went for Bernie -- but only 52/48.
And African American voters were three times as likely to vote for Hillary as for Bernie.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Occasionally we get a brief moment of honesty
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Proving to be so very important. We are all important, equal.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)There, all better now.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)People like this;
and this
and this
and not so much this;
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is definitely true.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)Betcha OP didn't think that far ahead.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It seems weird for a Sanders supporter to talk about all the small counties that Bernie won in upstate NY (which votes Republican) and dismiss the huge population centers downstate that Hillary won (and which are heavily Democratic).
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Voting is for straight, white, Christian, male landowners goddammit!!
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)That's like saying "Without great defense and special teams play, Denver would have lost the Super Bowl!"
Take away the millenial dudebros, lily-white states and so-called 'independents', and Sanders drops out last fall...
We can play this game all day, can't we?
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)Those pesky women and minorities are messing things up for the great Bern....
Sorry for you luck... if you want a party of exclusively white men.... try the Republicans.
And the last time I looked, Democrats in the South, white, black, or any variation have the right to contribute to who our nominee will be. This conservative brush is not as broad as many of you would like to think, but even if it is, as a Democrat, we have a say in who leads our party.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)If minorities and women could not vote like in the old days, Bernie wins.
rock
(13,218 posts)She'd barely be able to tie Bernie.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)If only white guys could vote like in the 1800s she'd be in big trouble. Mmmkay.
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)I must say that some of my fellow Sanders supporters have gone above and beyond with embarrassing posts around here.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)This place has gone so tribal most are afraid to speak out when they see such idiocy. This OP is shameful.
okasha
(11,573 posts)but thanks for speaking up.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Being white and male make your vote more valuable than anyone else anymore.
He hasn't been making gains. He lost African American 25-75; he got about 36% of the Latino vote. If that's an inroad, it's not anywhere near enough to pull off a victory. Clinton got 50% of the white vote. She also got 50% of the male vote, but in each of those categories is included the votes of people you think less important. The votes of the majority matter, not just white men. America is a diverse nation, and voters do not want to turn the clock back to when white men alone were able to determine political leaders.
Thank you for expressing honestly what this election is truly about.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)They are confusing their social dominance with being in the majority. Classic privilege.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)What you wrote about "Women and Minority Support" is, of course, true; but, I want to know whether you understand and/or care about the weight of that comment.
It was, at best (and my sincere hope), inartful cheerleading to spur on the troops. But, at worse (and my fear), it betrays a desire to return to a period, we (Democrats and Liberals) fought, and continue fighting, hard to escape.
In any case, a post like that has no place in the minds or mouths of anyone that claims to be a modern Democrat or a liberal ... though, I'm not sure about "progressives" (as represented on DU), as this sentiment seems to be a core value (as evidenced by the frequency of it being expressed).
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)particularly, his Recs, suggests otherwise.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)White men were 34% of the electorate in 2012.
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/
Yup, sounds like a really progressive demographic to me!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Hillary would be losing? Well, that makes sense. It really does. But she does have the support of the majority of Democratic voters, so she'll be the party's nominee. More sense.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Unfricking Believable!
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He was the last Democratic presidential candidate to win a plurality or majority of the white vote.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Gotta get the man a sammich and get him a beer.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)Got it.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Without Women and Minority Support, Jerry Brown Would Have Lost To Meg Whitman:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/results/governor/exit-polls#california
DemocratSinceBirth aka
SFV Brian
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)PEOPLES voted for Hillary
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He doesn't even have the onions to defend his aberrant nonsense.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)I have had the GDP trashed caned for some time. A 'can you believe this?' link from a more friendly hideout brought me here. That's why I find it so perfect.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)Are you effing serious? You posted that as what? A sure sign of how Sanders got screwed?
I'd expect this over at Free Republic. It's real hard these days to tell the difference.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Women and minorities together are a clear majority of the American population.
I support Bernie but I'm also a minority so please don't put threads like this one.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)sometimes it's best not to say/write anything....Wow
thucythucy
(8,069 posts)Either add a sarcasm thingy or self-delete.
A truly obnoxious and ridiculous post, on every level imaginable.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)What exactly is your point, that women and minorities shouldn't have voted??????
Hekate
(90,714 posts)It must be satire. Well done.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)And they have the balls to call Hillary a republican?? Disgusting.........
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Bernie is losing the democratic primary,who woulda thunk it?
As many of us have been saying, younger white men are not a core constituency ifthepartyNdtgey don't vote in large numbers anyway.
I'll take older voters and minorities as support any day. They show up. As NY proved.
Vogon_Glory
(9,118 posts)Without women and minority voters, the Tea-publicans would have a permanent lock on political power.
Bernie's Caucasian fan-boys are just going to have to deal with the fact that a lot of women, Asian-Americans, Afro-Americans, Native Americans, Latino Americans, and other minority groups DO vote.