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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:18 AM Apr 2016

So Let Me Get This Straight....

Hillary has overwhelmingly won black voters both men and women, latino voters both men and women, Asian voters both men and women, white women, unions, civil rights icons, gun control groups, environmental groups, lgbt groups, and damn near every other demographic in America, but she's supposed to pander and bend to the will of white men who are threatening to not vote for her?

Hillary is already unifying the party and base.

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So Let Me Get This Straight.... (Original Post) JaneyVee Apr 2016 OP
Ayup! They lost, they need to get on board or go away. boston bean Apr 2016 #1
All Im saying is... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #12
Most of us are going away but I'm glad you don't care...n/t monmouth4 Apr 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Skwmom Apr 2016 #2
I saw the deleted post. WoW DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #3
Ya GOTTA let us know what was said. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #4
+1 NurseJackie Apr 2016 #7
What did it say!? PM me if necessary! boston bean Apr 2016 #5
DONE DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #10
WOWZA. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #16
I miss all the good stuff. Codeine Apr 2016 #18
Me, too. Always the last to know...LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #28
That's it mcar Apr 2016 #6
Yep, I agree with the sentiment in a post a moment ago Tarc Apr 2016 #8
I will never support a criminal oligarch. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #9
Sorry, but "inclusive" doesnt include purity tests... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #14
Every campaign I have ever seen has an us-them mentality. It's the nature of politics. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #20
Many people support Sanders because of his angry rhetoric and empty promises. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #33
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #38
White conservative men aren't the only ones losing "their country" apparently. IamMab Apr 2016 #11
"but she's supposed to pander and bend to the will of white men who are threatening to not vote for" NCTraveler Apr 2016 #13
And yet... casperthegm Apr 2016 #15
Right-wing Hillary has unified the establishment and moneyed interests. Broward Apr 2016 #17
Yes, all those moneyed interests in Mississippi et al. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #19
Bro-blesse oblige...after all, it IS the white man's burden to bring edification to Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #21
Clever, quite clever... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #22
I'm glad somebody appreciated it! LOL! I LOVE word play... Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #26
I do too! HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #34
KNR Lucinda Apr 2016 #23
Young white males haz a sad. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #24
The reddit rage will be relentless. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #29
If you say so, JaneyVee. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #25
Nope, her destiny is to betray those demos for the rich white men who purchased her whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #27
What I sometimes think apcalc Apr 2016 #30
My wife is a white woman who won't vote for her. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #31
Then your wife must not care about Reproductive Rights among many other issues KittyWampus Apr 2016 #37
No. She's a woman who doesn't vote based on gender and plans to vote Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #39
What do you think you're doing? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #42
Meh. By the same people who get the vapors when we scrutinize their candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #43
As one honest Bernie supporter put it... quickesst Apr 2016 #32
Good luck winning a general election after driving out white male votes AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #35
Yeah, that's progressive.. have a temper tantrum because they have to share power... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #40
We are told repeatedly by Hillary supporters that male white votes are not needed by her AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #41
This is false uponit7771 Apr 2016 #44
There it is then uponit7771 Apr 2016 #36
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
12. All Im saying is...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

Demographics show her overwhelmingly winning the votes of people who are typically marginalized and disenfranchised, yet its not good enough for a certain demographic who controls the entire societal hierarchy. They need more pandering?

Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. DONE
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

My response was deleted because that's what happens when you respond to a post that is in the process of being deleted.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
9. I will never support a criminal oligarch.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

And Bernie has a very diverse coalition. He is inclusive. Except for the 1 per cent, because they are our enemies. We don't need more Goldman Sachs criminals in the federal government.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
14. Sorry, but "inclusive" doesnt include purity tests...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

And us vs them mentality. That is the definition of exclusive.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
20. Every campaign I have ever seen has an us-them mentality. It's the nature of politics.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

And where is the purity test? Many people support Bernie because of personal tragedy. Whether is a vet who was used by the American war machine or a person who was financially wiped out by catastrophic illness. That is why Bernie has had unprecedented success despite every institutional disadvantage, because the American people are getting less and less happy about their living conditions over time. Oligarchy is unsustainable.

I was born a Democrat, but I will not die one unless Bernie succeeds. The Democratic Party is literally creating financial problems for my family and many others.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
33. Many people support Sanders because of his angry rhetoric and empty promises.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

You may have been "born a Democrat" but your posts read as if you simply decided to show up and vote every so often and not participate in the real world of party politics.

Because if you had engaged in the democratic process at the grass roots, you'd know it's a long hard slog and requires patience and COALITION BUILDING.

Ideologues have no political party. Being an outsider enables them to whinge and point fingers and never do the actual WORK required. Like Sanders, he's a perfect example. No real solutions.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
11. White conservative men aren't the only ones losing "their country" apparently.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

The privilege all extended to white progressive men too, in fact. And obviously they're just as upset about losing it as their right-wing counterparts.

Sanders-sanctioned misogyny and bigotry has reduced the Left to a shameful version of its former self.

And yes, women Sanders supporters and minority Sanders supporters, you ARE part of it, by not standing against it. You're Peter Parker letting the robber run by you without action, so he can kill your Uncle Ben later on in the movie. You're the opposite of Batman. (Just to keep it balanced between DC and Marvel, and throw in a Community reference.) There would not be a space for such commentary by some Sanders supporters if every other Sanders supporter wasn't silently allowing it to happen on a regular basis, or worse, upvoting it at every opportunity.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. "but she's supposed to pander and bend to the will of white men who are threatening to not vote for"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

It is a centuries old demand. The current revolution being undertaken by women and minorities no longer stands for that old school bullshit.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
15. And yet...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

Polls clearly shows that Sanders would do better in the general election vs Trump and Cruz. Perhaps this is because 40% of voters are now independent. You know, those guys that the party in many states feels they should exclude from being able to participate in primaries?

Broward

(1,976 posts)
17. Right-wing Hillary has unified the establishment and moneyed interests.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

Disappointing to see so many fall for the complete fraud that is Hillary.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
21. Bro-blesse oblige...after all, it IS the white man's burden to bring edification to
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

the less enlightened.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
30. What I sometimes think
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

Is that those who have probably experienced some kind of discrimination firsthand , multiple times, be they women or people of color and certain other groups of males , vote for Hillary in droves.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
31. My wife is a white woman who won't vote for her.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

And, Hillary doesn't have to "bend to her will" or please her.

I admit I'm white and male. I was born that way.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
37. Then your wife must not care about Reproductive Rights among many other issues
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

Ideological purity- self centered and ultimately intellectually lazy.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
39. No. She's a woman who doesn't vote based on gender and plans to vote
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

for a woman in 2016 just like she did in 2012. She's progressive woman and feminist who has supported reproductive rights, equal pay, etc. She's also a Socialist but not an ideologue.

She's far from self-centered and is intellectual enough to see that the system is corrupt and refuses to go along with the crowd of purists that demand she sell out her beliefs and principles for a corrupt candidate because she has a (D) after her name.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
42. What do you think you're doing?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

Don't you know you're supposed to let random internet people disparage your wife?

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
32. As one honest Bernie supporter put it...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

... if it weren't for women and POC, Bernie would win in a landslide.
I have no idea what possessed this person to say that.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
35. Good luck winning a general election after driving out white male votes
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

Keep trying to drive us out of the party.

Apparently snark and condescension doesn't come with an 'Off' switch...

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
41. We are told repeatedly by Hillary supporters that male white votes are not needed by her
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

Same with the millennial vote. We are told over and over that our votes are not wanted. Is this true of you too?

Does arrogance and condescension come with an off switch, or is it a permanent condition?

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