Single Payer exists right across the boarder. Americans deserve universal healthcare not more wars.

[think]

Hillary will make sure that Single Payer never happens.

Hillary chose to take money from the healthcare industry instead. She sold you out. Realize that....

Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will “Never, Ever Come To Pass­”

BY DAVID SIROTA @DAVIDSIROTA ON 01/30/16 AT 8:42 PM

losing out her Iowa campaign, Hillary Clinton on Friday declared that the Medicare-for-all proposal pushed by her Democratic primary opponent and many liberal groups will “never, ever come to pass.” The statement came weeks after a new poll showed most Americans support the idea. Her declaration was a reversal of her position two decades ago — which came before she received millions of dollars of campaign cash from the health industry.

~Snip~

Between that declaration and her now saying single-payer can never pass, Clinton has vacuumed in roughly $13.2 million from sources in the health sector, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. That includes $11.2 million from the sector when Clinton was a senator and $2 million from health industry sources during her 2016 presidential campaign. In a 2006 story about her relationship with the health industry, the New York Times noted that during her Senate reelection campaign, she was "receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and insurers" and had become "the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry." The Intercept also reported that from 2013 to 2015, Clinton received more than $2.8 million in speaking fees from the health industry...

Source:
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-gets-13-million-health-industry-now-says-single-payer-will-never

[Shadowflash]

1. We give Israel boatloads of money

so THEY can give universal healthcare to their population.

Maybe we should keep that here for us, instead?

[think]

3. I'm not against foreign aid but it puts things in perspective when a country that has universal

healthcare get large amounts of foreign aid from America and we don't provide it for our own citizens.

[Shadowflash]

8. Yup.

nt

[Trust Buster]

2. The political conditions do not currently exist in the U.S. for Universal healthcare.

[think]

4. Keep saying it & of course it will NEVER happen. Hillary sold you out. Wake up.

[Trust Buster]

7. The Republican controlled House has voted 62 times to repeal the ACA while their base cheered

them on. They shut down the government over the issue. The ACA doesn't come close to the government intervention that Universal healthcare does. The insurance companies will not voluntarily sign their own death warrant. I keep saying it because it represents current political reality. But, keep clicking your shoes together and maybe that will do the trick.

[think]

9. Keep supporting a person who took millions from the health care industry. See how that works out.

You and your candidate aren't even willing to fight. You've already given up...

[Trust Buster]

14. You keep ignoring the obvious. The votes aren't currently in Congress for universal healthcare

regardless of if Obama, Clinton or Sanders inhabit the White House. You can deny that all you wish but that won't change the current political reality.

[think]

18. You will never get single payer if you don't fight for it. When are you going to fight for it?

If the American people don't learn about single payer they won't understand how bad they are getting screwed.

And again Hillary took the money from corporations who don't want single payer. She sold you out and she will never fight for it.

And if we fight for single payer Republicans will look even stupider for trying to repeal Obama care.

[Trust Buster]

20. You'll never get single payer without the numbers in Congress. The president does not elect Congress

The people do. It's up to the people and if they don't understand the concept of single payer (aka: Medicare for all) then shame on the people.

[think]

24. The president leads. Is Hillary a leader? Will she stand up and fight for what is right?

After taking the money from the health care industry you know that's not going to happen...

[Orsino]

5. The system does not reflect the needs of the citizenry it disinforms...

...and therefore fails as an excuse.

I don't know if single-payer is necessarily the most efficient way to deliver care to all, but it's the direction we need to be heading, and They won't let us start.

A defeatist Democratic nominee won't help much.

[LadyHawkAZ]

6. Here's a good article from 2008

saying much the same thing and giving some good reasons why:
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/december/the_politics_of_heal.php

I wonder why so many people prefer to say that rather than changing the political conditions.
Remember, we were told the political conditions weren't right for same-sex marriage either.

[Trust Buster]

10. How do you propose we convince Republicans in the House to vote for Universal healthcare ?

[think]

12. You convince the American people not republican politicians. Americans already support single payer

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/229959-majority-still-support-single-payer-option-poll-finds

[Trust Buster]

15. Not the Republican base. They don't even accept the ACA. Until they get on board, the Republican

politicians have no incentive to get on board.

[LadyHawkAZ]

32. Why does your "political climate" hinge on the extremist wing of the Republican party?

And why do you feel we should pander to them?

Hmmm...

[Trust Buster]

33. The Republican base is not the extremist wing of the Republican Party.

And, it's not pandering. Thinking that a Party that has voted 62 times to repeal the ACA will suddenly vote to pass universal healthcare is pandering with your own mind.

[LadyHawkAZ]

40. It's pandering.

What's the public support for single payer again?

[Trust Buster]

41. Democrats support single payer. Republicans do not. Polls do not equate to votes in Congress.

[LadyHawkAZ]

13. Don't

Run, support and vote in strong Democratic candidates who support the actual voters, not the financial interests.

You could start with the office of the President.

[Trust Buster]

35. Nope, you must provide a President with the political power in Congress to achieve anything.

Electing a 74 year old first before that political coalition is built will not work.

[LadyHawkAZ]

37. Now where have I heard that before?

Hmmm.

[Shadowflash]

11. Exactly

They say 'No we can't' or 'the conditions aren't right' then they are on track to nominate the same old, same old. This is why stuff never changes.

[Trust Buster]

17. The political makeup of the Congress needs to change. A president is not a king.

Democratic turnout for the midterms was very weak. I do not see the political impetus in the foreseeable future.

[Shadowflash]

21. You are correct

But it has to start somewhere.

[Trust Buster]

23. Yes, at the grass roots.

[Shadowflash]

26. Yup.

Which is exactly what's happening.

After another 4 years of the same shit, maybe the swell for a more progressive candidate will be even stronger than it is this time around.

We'll see.

[think]

28. It starts with true leadership. More people than ever know about single payer thanks to Bernie

Hillary was no help at all. In fact she has done nothing but hurt the effort to get single payer.

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

Just a few days before the Iowa caucuses, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton stressed to voters in Des Moines just how unfeasible she considers her opponent Bernie Sanders' plan to pursue a single-payer health care system.

"I want you to understand why I am fighting so hard for the Affordable Care Act," she said at Grand View University after hearing from a woman who spoke about her daughter receiving cancer treatment thanks to the health care law. "I don't want it repealed, I don't want us to be thrown back into a terrible, terrible national debate. I don't want us to end up in gridlock. People can't wait!"

She added, "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass."....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

[forjusticethunders]

25. Electing Obama had little to do with the political conditions

It was grass roots organizing and retail politics and demographic changes and messaging on the sub national level that CHANGED those political conditions. Clinton, Obama and even Sanders led from behind (yes Sanders was the least behind but he also had the least to lose) on SSM.

The problem with "progressives" is they complain instead of fight. Where was the grassroots, broad-based organizing for single payer? Hell, a lot of people just assumed the public option would get in and then screamed "betrayal" that they didn't get something they didn't fight for.

[pinebox]

16. 15 replies, I see 3

I imagine that Camp Weathervane is yelling about how United Healthcare exiting many exchanges is a good thing. Am I right?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/unitedhealthcare-obamacare-exchanges-aca/

[think]

19. They are saying the Republicans won't let the American people have it so don't try. Pathetic.

They say give up and don't try to do the right thing because the Republican will always be too strong....

[pinebox]

22. Oh another white flag scenario!

I wonder if they said the same thing when women wanted to vote, when gays wanted to marry, when POC fought for civil rights or when FDR proposed SS?

Isn't it amazing how regressives, no matter what party they belong to, all have one thing in common; to stop progress.

[alittlelark]

31. I see 6... Guess I gotta add a few more to 'ignore'.

[NorthCarolina]

27. We set up a single payer system for citizens in Iraq. Why not here? nt

[think]

30. I did not know that. Seems like we can help other countries get single payer. Just not our own /nt

[HooptieWagon]

29. War is more profitable than healthcare.

Elect a corporatist, and public policy will be decided in favor of greatest private profits.

[Zira]

34. I call it single prayer because you have to pray to God for help to meet the deductible.

[2cannan]

36. Remember when our govt was writing the Iraqi Constitution and it included universal health care?

God knows, I don't begrudge the Iraqis anything after we what we did to their poor country but do Americans not remember that if Bushit thought it was good enough for the Iraqis, why isn't it good enough for us??

Guaranteed Health Care In Iraq - But Not For You
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-dorlester/guaranteed-health-care-in_b_280528.html

snip

Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by your right-wing Bushies in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen.

Article 31 reads:

“First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The State shall maintain public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and health institutions.

Second: Individuals and entities have the right to build hospitals, clinics,or private health care centers under the supervision of the State, and this shall be regulated by law.“

There are other health care guarantees, including special provisions for children, the elderly, and the handicapped elsewhere in the 43-page document.

Under force of arms, President Bush imposed his particular idea of democracy on a people not asking for it - perhaps a noble undertaking in one context and a criminal violation of international law in another. Bush’s followers are proud of the Iraqi Constitution, a model for the world, they told us.

So, according to the American political right-wing, government-guaranteed health care is good for Iraqis, but not good for us. Not good for you. They decry even a limited public option for you, but gleefully imposed upon the Iraqis what they label here as “socialism,” with much Democratic Party member support.

Another link:
American sponsored universal health care. Just not for Americans.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/health-cents/American-sponsored-universal-health-care-Just-not-for-Americans.html

[Cheese Sandwich]

38. Hillary is not a friend of the working class. She is a self serving corporate crony.

[PyaarRevolution]

39. Why don't all the other industries just threaten to with-hold funding from Hillary?

Aside from the bankers and fossil fuel who make gobs of money per year, Healthcare is costing many industries millions of dollars and we've lost many jobs.
How many more television shows would be shot here again instead of in Canada if the TV industry didn't have to pay Healthcare? Imagine all the jobs those Teamsters on the crew would start getting again. Toyota declined building a factory in the South because they didn't want to pay Healthcare costs...instead they went to Canada. Also, apparently Healthcare costs are definitely inflating a lot of the tuition costs.